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laptech

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Your words or thoughts doesn't bother me at all - they are entirely yours 😁
You have your reality - whatever that is, I don't know you a bit. - and I have mine.

But I am very much looking forward, with big excitement, to the continuation of the The Women's Nations League matches.
Sweden meet Switzerland the 27th here in my city - Gothenburg - and in Malmö in Sweden against Italy 4 days later 💥⚽️

This is important!
You got a ticket to the game?
 

Lioness~

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You got a ticket to the game?
No, we decided to take the warm choice where we see it better - at home watching the streaming.
At this point there are only bad places behind the goals left as well. I've been on so many Women's National team matches earlier, so not a big deal.
Getting cold here too, hope it bothers at least Italy. Switzerland won't be do bothered about it, I assume.
 

pachyderm

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Sons win 4 nil!!
 

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Time to move on from Southgate me thinks.

Done well but not progressing with arguably the best crop of England players in recent memory.
 

daneoni

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I don’t think the current crop of England players are any better or worse than a number of other generations I can think of.
Think there are better crop of players to choose from this era compared to the rooney gerrard lampard era.

Although Southgate isn't using them
 
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Lioness~

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Apple fanboy

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Belgium-Sweden Football game.

Men's game in Brussels cancelled and postponed, after 2 Swedes killed in a terror shooting. Private persons and fans probably, nome of the players.

Highest Terror alert in Brussels!

I saw that news article and immediately thought of you. Glad you weren’t there. Horrible situation for those involved.
 
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Abdichoudxyz

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Probably bad choices but I'd give the job to either Eddie Howe of David Moyes.
Don't be daft. Neither have ever won anything of real note, and neither are great anyway. Truth is that the very best managers won't take on the England job anyway. Club football pays a lot better, and offers far more personal rewards. As for the England squad; it suffers from what it has always suffered from; a collection of perhaps some great individuals, but also most others who aren't world class. And the fact that certain players are routinely played wrongly by England managers compared to how they are managed at their respective clubs. As for Henderson and Maguire; the former has at least a lot of experience playing against top European sides, and winning, and will be considered as 'safe' selection, whereas Maguire; I have no idea. He's crap. He was ok in one tournament a few years ago, but he's crap now. God alone knows why Southgate keeps picking him.
 

laptech

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Don't be daft. Neither have ever won anything of real note, and neither are great anyway. Truth is that the very best managers won't take on the England job anyway. Club football pays a lot better, and offers far more personal rewards. As for the England squad; it suffers from what it has always suffered from; a collection of perhaps some great individuals, but also most others who aren't world class. And the fact that certain players are routinely played wrongly by England managers compared to how they are managed at their respective clubs. As for Henderson and Maguire; the former has at least a lot of experience playing against top European sides, and winning, and will be considered as 'safe' selection, whereas Maguire; I have no idea. He's crap. He was ok in one tournament a few years ago, but he's crap now. God alone knows why Southgate keeps picking him.
Why does a manager have to have notable wins under their belt to be considered worthy of the England job because all the manager needs to do is win games and both of them win games.
 
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laptech

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Because they should be able to prove they are capable of winning. Moyes has won ONE trophy is entire career. ONE. Ands that was the 3rd tier Euro competition. He's four hundred years old at least. Howe has won nothing, as is currently struggling to get Newcastle to play anywhere near what their spending would suggest they are capable of. I predict Howe to be replaced before the end of this season anyway, if he's proven to be as out of his depth as he looks. I mean, losing at home to Liverpool who'd played most of the game with ten men? 🤣 Nah; he's about Bournemouth level. Not international. And Moyes is Scottish anyway, so I doubt he'd want the England job.
On that basis of England manager having to have a good CV of trophies, England are forever screwed then because no English manager has won the premiership, no English manager in the last 29 years has won the Champions league and the last Englishman to have won the FA Cup was Harry Rednap in 2008. Southgate is here to stay then for the next 20 years.
 

Abdichoudxyz

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On that basis of England manager having to have a good CV of trophies, England are forever screwed then because no English manager has won the premiership, no English manager in the last 29 years has won the Champions league and the last Englishman to have won the FA Cup was Harry Rednap in 2008. Southgate is here to stay then for the next 20 years.
It's not so much the not winning anything; Moyes has never really come close to winning any major titles, in spite of having managed sides that were amongst the wealthiest in the league. Neither he nor Howe produce outstanding sides who play brilliant football against the very best. In short, they just don't know who to win at top level. Any manager of an England side needs to be able to do that, and the pool of candidates is vanishingly small. Southgate has surprisingly been the best for a very, very long time. And I never said that any England manager has to be English. I don't subscribe to such nonsense.

The question to ask is; would Moyes or Howe get the top job at say Liverpool, Man City, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, AC Milan etc? Of course not. And I think there's the answer as to why they shouldn't be England manager. Not that Southgate would either but he has at least been moderately successful so far.

Beyond that; I also think one major issue is that the top English teams are all managed by foreigners. Aside from Bacon Face, who are/were the top successful managers on the EPL? Mourinho, Benitez, Ranieri, Wenger, Perp and Klopp. All have introduced superior playing styles. So any English manager, used to the level of mid-table clubs, doesn't know how best to play the various players properly, cos they don't know that better style of management. Roy Hodgson, Big Sam, Turnip Head and the Wally with the Brolly! 🤣 I mean, come on. Southgate is light years ahead of any of them!
 
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laptech

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It's not so much the not winning anything; Moyes has never really come close to winning any major titles, in spite of having managed sides that were amongst the wealthiest in the league. Neither he nor Howe produce outstanding sides who play brilliant football against the very best. In short, they just don't know who to win at top level. Any manager of an England side needs to be able to do that, and the pool of candidates is vanishingly small. Southgate has surprisingly been the best for a very, very long time. And I never said that any England manager has to be English. I don't subscribe to such nonsense.
Me neither but when ever talk of England manager comes up it always come down to talk of 'they must have won stuff' which automatically rules out English, Scottish and Welsh Managers. The ONLY UK managers who have won something of note is Scotsman Sir Alex Ferguson who is unfortunately retired and Irishman Brendon Rodgers.

Maybe they should give Mourinho the job because he is known to win things when he is given the best of the best and with a national team he get's to pick the best of the best that England has to offer. All other managers that have won 'notable' things are all foreign managers who I am sure would want to manage their home countries national team and not England.
 

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Probably bad choices but I'd give the job to either Eddie Howe of David Moyes. They may not be better than Southgate but I do think the pair of them have the skills to get the best out of the players. Moyes did brilliantly at Everton and has been doing brilliantly at West Ham and that's because he has a good boardroom around him. He failed at United because he was Ferguson's chosen one and I believe there was enough toxicity within the club boardroom that wanted him out because it was Ferguson's choice, not the boardroom's choice and so it came to pass that Moyes failed at United but I do think he would be a good England manager.
Hands of Moyes!
 

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There's a wiki page now about the terror attack in Brussels, witch will be filled I assume as clarity becomes even larger about the details.

But the terrorist was killed of the authorities in Brussels.


Sweden guys have several reasons to not being happy after this game. They won’t advance to The European Championship either.

I have faith in our Women for further games though 😀
 
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It's not so much the not winning anything; Moyes has never really come close to winning any major titles, in spite of having managed sides that were amongst the wealthiest in the league. Neither he nor Howe produce outstanding sides who play brilliant football against the very best. In short, they just don't know who to win at top level. Any manager of an England side needs to be able to do that, and the pool of candidates is vanishingly small. Southgate has surprisingly been the best for a very, very long time. And I never said that any England manager has to be English. I don't subscribe to such nonsense.

The question to ask is; would Moyes or Howe get the top job at say Liverpool, Man City, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, AC Milan etc? Of course not. And I think there's the answer as to why they shouldn't be England manager. Not that Southgate would either but he has at least been moderately successful so far.

Beyond that; I also think one major issue is that the top English teams are all managed by foreigners. Aside from Bacon Face, who are/were the top successful managers on the EPL? Mourinho, Benitez, Ranieri, Wenger, Perp and Klopp. All have introduced superior playing styles. So any English manager, used to the level of mid-table clubs, doesn't know how best to play the various players properly, cos they don't know that better style of management. Roy Hodgson, Big Sam, Turnip Head and the Wally with the Brolly! 🤣 I mean, come on. Southgate is light years ahead of any of them!
Who do you mean when you write about "Bacon Face", the "Wally with the Brolly" and "Turnip Head"?

Apart from the fact that these are offensive and insulting personal terms, - and I have no quarrel with calling out a manager's appalling attitudes, poor behaviour or incompetence, or obsolescence - they are not necessary in a perfectly pleasant thread.

Criticise what they do, (or don't do), not their appearance, or what they look like.

More to the point, I haven't a clue who you are talking about; personal nicknames are one thing, but others need to know about whom you write, for nicknames, by their very nature are an "in joke", something that, by its very definition, will not be understood by all.
 

Lord Blackadder

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Beyond that; I also think one major issue is that the top English teams are all managed by foreigners.
When English managers start winning the Champions League and Premier League regularly, maybe this 'issue' will go away.

But many of England's players play surrounded by foreign players under foreign managers at foreign owned English clubs, so I don't see a problem. For the biggest clubs most of the fans are 'foreign' too. Like me.
 
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Abdichoudxyz

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Who do you mean when you write about "Bacon Face", the "Wally with the Brolly" and "Turnip Head"?
They're nicknames for particular figures in English football. Such terms have been coined by fans, or the media. It's part of the whole footie thing.

More to the point, I haven't a clue who you are talking about; personal nicknames are one thing, but others need to know about whom you write, for nicknames, by their very nature are an "in joke", something that, by its very definition, will not be understood by all
Doesn't matter. Those who know, get it.
 

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They're nicknames for particular figures in English football. Such terms have been coined by fans, or the media. It's part of the whole footie thing.
Why not use their proper names? Why the need to call someone names?

It is so....unnecessary and unpleasantly reminiscent of the school yard.
 
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