Harry Kane my rue looking at the EPL table right now but he is making history in Germany and would make history wherever he goes. A truly world class footballer
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You should have been at White Hart Lane on a miserable evening back in the day. I was there with my Dad. Spurs lost 0-1 to Derby County got relegated and a man two rows in front had a heart attack and died taken away by Sy John's Ambulance
What crazy times we live!
We even had an evil orange muppet for president!!
We even had an evil orange muppet for president!!
You did; we had a blond bigot for PM here...
I remember that season. Derby were truly terrible allseason. But SU seem to be desperately trying to outdo them; keep to this current rate of points gathering, and they'll have 3.8 by the end of the season. The problem is that some teams just don't belong in the PL as they are right now. I think it would be quite fitting if Luton and Burnley also went down. Unlike the Bournemouths, the Brightons and the Brentfords, the current bottom three are adding nothing to the game or the PL.
Currently 0-0 against Everton as we approach half time. Really could do with three points from this game.
Yep. But West Ham failed to beat Everton. At home. That's got to hurt Moyes.
Big game coming up later. Big game. Does Ten Hag's job hinge on this game?
Manchester United's problems go far deeper than Erik Ten Hag.
Ever since the departure of Ferguson they have treated themselves to the sacrificial offering of several managers, even firing one of them immediately after he had steered the team to victory in the FA Cup.
A further (managerial) firing will not fix the rot, although, I grant you that it is easier to fire one person rather than to fire eleven overpaid, yet under-performing individuals, some of whom may be gifted individuals, but who somehow still fail to perform - and play - as a team when it matters.
Personally, and I've said all this before: I think that at the core of Utd's issues is a sense of entitlement that has hung over from their period of dominance in the 90s/2000s. They enjoyed everything going their way, and kind ofgrew to expect it. And they haven't come to terms with the fact they aren't top dogs anymore. Their board is full of old dinosaurs who fail to aknowledge the game has changed, and that they themselves need to stand aside and fresh minds and ideas take over. They're doing exactly what they used to accuse Liverpool of; living in the past. Games don't go their way any more; their influence on the FA has evaporated, as new money from abroad has flooded the game and offered clubs like Chelsea and City the chance to buy success. Which is kind of ironic, because Utd spearheaded the move towards rampant commercialisation of the game. Hoist by their own petard. Quite delicious to watch.
As I've said before; Ten Hag's doing a fantastic job. Long may he continue.
Oh and they're 0-1 down to a Haaland pen. Poetic justice, perhaps, for Roy Keane's thuggery.
Very good post.
Agree about the sense of entitlement - and the demanding expectations - on the part of some who support United.
In the (challenging) circumstances (and I agree with you), I think that ETH is doing a very good job.
I think the issue is the lack of fire power among the forwards - the inability to unlock the padlocked defence of teams that are deep defenders.
That, plus injuries, plus the stress and strain of European competition, which is tiring.
Mind you, I would love to see Everton actually called out, and actually crash; they have been flirting with relegation for years (yes, I know that Sean Dyche is a good manager), but, each season, they somehow end the season with three teams beneath them in the table, three teams who are somehow worse than Everton.
I don't think you think that for the same reason I do...
He's a typical old school British manager suited to lower table/Championship and below clubs. No new ideas, his only 'talent' is in setting up teams to utterly frustrate better opposition. But if you don't score, you don't win games, and Dyche's teams don't win all that many games. He's reasonably effective at achieving mid/lower-table mediocrity. He's had one good result today, against a side that aren't that great at scoring against stubborn opposition. As for Everton being docked points; even as a Liverpool fan, I don't want to see them relegated for that. Because that's punishing those who have nothing to do with the financial shenanigans, such as the players and the fans. That's unjust. Fine the owners, chairmen, board of directors, because they're the ones doing the dirty deeds.
I'm afraid that I didn't express myself with sufficient clarity:
I don't want to see Everton relegated because they have been docked points, I want to see them relegated because they have been flirting with relegation for years, and always seem to pull off an improbable escape - usually because three teams have been worse than them throughout the season.
Dyche is a good, old-school manager, and, in the absence of good attacking options, organising a defence intelligently so that they can play to their stubborn strengths is something worth acknowledging.
You play the cards you are dealt (or have managed to buy, or develop).
I don't want to see Everton relegated because they have been docked points, I want to see them relegated because they have been flirting with relegation for years, and always seem to pull off an improbable escape - usually because three teams have been worse than them throughout the season.
Dyche is a good, old-school manager, and, in the absence of good attacking options, organising a defence intelligently so that they can play to their stubborn strengths is something worth acknowledging.
You play the cards you are dealt (or have managed to buy, or develop).
Meanwhile, Manchester City (that man, Haaland again) are now two nil up against Manchester United at Old Trafford, and easing into what looks like a comfortable win.
A third goal (for City) would come as small surprise.
A third goal (for City) would come as small surprise.
Yeah that's fine. I'd find it quite amusing tbh.
But here's the thing; Dyche is only ever going to manage a mid/lower-table side, and never rise beyond that. He just doesn't have the ability to manage above that level. Stick him in a top side and they'd end up mid-table, because he just doesn't have the ideas and tactical brain that the likes of Klopp, Pep or even Arteta have. If any of those were manager of Everton right now, they'd not be flirting with relegation; they'd be up the other end pushing for trophies. He can't develop young players in the way the top managers can. But that said; he's doing a great job at Everton right now.
City 3-0 up now. All over. I do hope Ten Hag stays at least until after Liverpool play them...
I think the Manchester derby at Old Trafford must be the only game where the visiting fans have a shorter average journey home than the home fans. 🤣 It's a long way back to Surrey...
I think the Manchester derby at Old Trafford must be the only game where the visiting fans have a shorter average journey home than the home fans. 🤣 It's a long way back to Surrey...
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Football is now a business and as such when business owners screw up, it affects everyone. How many times have we seen business owners take extreme risks only to fail and have the business closed down with the loss of every employee it. It is not fair on the employees that they had to lose their job due to the idiotic behaviour of the business owner but life is like that, it is not fair and thus is if Everton are found guilty and face a points reduction it will be the fans that will ultimately suffer all because of the idiotic behaviour of the club owners.
oh shut it with this snide remark of united fans not coming from United (it's a long way back to Surrey). I know EXACTLY what your doing so cut it out. Not every Liverpool fan is from Liverpool, same goes for City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and ever other club.
I'm sorry, what?
It's a little bit of light-hearted banter. There's no need for you to be rude. Why not go and find Old Trafford on a map, that should keep you occupied for a little while...
Just been catching up with the goals from yesterday. What on Earth was Chelsea's keeper doing up there?? Good sprint to catch Maupay though! 🚅 Great opener from Nketieh against Sheffield. A friend of mine went to the game as he managed to get a free ticket; he can't normally go to The Library as it's too expensive, so I'm really happy that he got to enjoy such a great game. Got to feel for Burnley; how can that possibly be offside if you cannot see any margin that the attacking player is in any way in front of the last defender? Another VAR failure, sadly.