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If you are not even a Mac user to start with who are you to come here and judge Apple is not what it used to be? You neither know what it used to be like, nor what it is now!
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The Apple Is Not What It Used To Be
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Wot u tokking? Mi speek ingrish!
If you are not even a Mac user to start with who are you to come here and judge Apple is not what it used to be? You neither know what it used to be like, nor what it is now!
I don't understand you iWOOt, sometimes you criticize Apple quality, sometiems you defend them. You seem to like to argue and contradict people.
I am not looking to pick a fight, I'm just pointing this out. You are on here 24 hrs a day so it's fair for us who see your post in every thread to know where you stand. How do you feel about Apple quality? and about MBP display issues? I am honestly interested in what you think. Once again, i am not looking for a fight. I come in peace.
what if they don't want Windows or they want OS X platform? Maybe they need access to some Apple exclusive programs like Final Cut Pro? What then?
People who see Apple problems shuld nto have stones thrown at them by fanboys. Apple has some serious quality issues that if left unchallenged, will become worse and worse. People who bring up the issues are the true fans and heroes. Not the blind fanboys.
There's an Apple Church?
Where? And when do the services begin?
I'm so there!
Seriously, though, despite the trollish intentions of the OP, I do agree that Apple quality has declined over the years. I'm now on my fourth MacBook replacement (and this one's screen is beginning to develop a flickering problem). My brother is awaiting his third MacBook Pro replacement.
Meanwhile, my 9-year-old PowerBook 2400 is as stable and solid today as it was the day I bought it. (And it's now running Panther!)
There's an Apple Church?
Where? And when do the services begin?
I'm so there!
Seriously, though, despite the trollish intentions of the OP, I do agree that Apple quality has declined over the years. I'm now on my fourth MacBook replacement (and this one's screen is beginning to develop a flickering problem). My brother is awaiting his third MacBook Pro replacement.
Meanwhile, my 9-year-old PowerBook 2400 is as stable and solid today as it was the day I bought it. (And it's now running Panther!)
Isn't that a machine that was built by IBM Japan for Apple?
Hmmm- 1 GHz DVI TiBook, 4 years, still perfect. 2+ year old Dual 2.5 GHz G5 PowerMac, still perfect. Then there's my 6 week old 17" MBP C2D, umm, perfect. BTW, if Apple didn't outsource their manufacturing, like everyone else, they'd be out of business; you wouldn't be able to buy a Mac, so take your pick. .........................Get real................................
I hope that before Setso leaves, he can tell all the kids what a "FloppyDisk" is. And why his Compaq keeps spitting out ".." in his posts.
Honestly who GIVES A DAMN ABOUT QUALITY CONTROL. IF YOU KNOW HOW TO SPEAK PROPERLY APPLE WILL GIVE YOU A WORKING MACHINE IN NO TIME AT ALL. Sheesh.
I mean sure, it'd be better if they had it, but no reason to flip out over nothing. Waiting a few more days for a replacement isn't the end of the world if it works out in the end.
It's not like ur stuck with a broken machine or anything permanently. Anyway the logic boards apparently used to die right and left on powerbooks, so I'd say this is at least a small improvement if anything. Although this is only what I've heard and not from experience since I've only been into macs for the past few months now.
I mean sure, it'd be better if they had it, but no reason to flip out over nothing. Waiting a few more days for a replacement isn't the end of the world if it works out in the end.
It's not like ur stuck with a broken machine or anything permanently. Anyway the logic boards apparently used to die right and left on powerbooks, so I'd say this is at least a small improvement if anything. Although this is only what I've heard and not from experience since I've only been into macs for the past few months now.
Well I have to say I have rather mixed feelings about Apple.
On one hand their solutions are mostly excellent, most of the time. On the other hand when they screw up, you are stuck with no other choice. Take what you want of it, but that's my opinion.
But mainly, i think you have to care about display issues to notice. one Genius at the store saw what I was talking about, admits he realizes why graphic professionals would complain, but he said he wouldn't care since he is a sound guy, not visual guy. so like i said, there are issues you may not notice or care about, but others do. these displays are not getting passing grades from graphic professionals or those who care about such things. These are not meeting 'pro' standards you expect after spending $3,000. that's all.
Is ignorance a good excuse for Apple to pass off sub-standard subsystems?
I don't think so. In business professional (i.e. not weighted towards sound, graphics etc but just overall system performance and usability) terms as far as I'm concerned, the Macbook Pro is a steaming heap of junk. It is simply not usable in a professional aspect. The moment I for example go into Parallels, crank up Bloomberg and hit it with say one of my (admittedly huge) Excel spreadsheets it turns into a furnace. If I bring up an engineering simulation, it turns into a furnace. If I game, it also turns into a furnace. And the problems don't end there.
My Dell XPS M1710 or the HP nx9420 I had before stays cool doing the same things. They also don't bend during the course of normal 'luggable' life, don't have hundreds of little 'gotchas', are better supported and most definitely, built to a higher standard (or in the case of the Dell, less ambitiously). Just because something looks better doesn't mean it's built better. The irony is that the M1710 is a gaming machine - yet it's far better a professional tool than the Macbook Pro. And since they both shared the same guts, the sole difference between the HP nx laptop and the MBP was the superior build quality and more stable operation of the HP.
The 'Pro' moniker should really be 'more advanced yet still undemanding home user who has never experienced what a real Pro machine should be and is easily deceived by looks', and that also extends to the Mac Pro. And that's how I use my 'Pro' Macs now - noodling around with stuff at home. The real 'Pro' stuff is handled by Dell, HP and Sony gear.
I still think the MBP is a nice home laptop though, provided you don't try and use it's actual power too much. The Macbook - well, it's sole reason to buy is as an OS X platform, no more no less.
You're correct, Apple is not what it used to be. My 7100/66 had two logic board replacements in the first three months. My 8500/120 was a nightmare, both hardware and software wise. My Wallstreet had its hinges and hard drive replaced and the power/sound in card replaced twice. PowerBook G4, bad tackpad and button.
Stuff made by man failing. Go figure...
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Stuff made by man failing. Go figure...
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you will, if your warranty expired, and you expect your machine to last 5 years, then you got stuck, thats quality control.
Actually, Dell was building computers in the USA because it was cheaper to employ americans to build the computers than it was to ship them from china to america.
The question is do you really care?
Whatever, everyone should do what they want. Let him go with Dell, HP or whatever. Who cares?
I just think their industrial design is getting uglier by the revision. First the iPods went flat, then the iBooks went boring, and the MBP is just soooo dang thin it annoys me, The new nano is a step back to the apple ID of old, which is nice, but I used to want Apple products because of the Industrial Design. I got a mini and realized how nice Apple products are, but now I could care less for the ID and just want one for the OS.
I have no idea what you mean by a "furnace". Perhaps you work in one? My mac runs at a reasonable temperature and that is even when I donate my free CPU time to Folding@home. However what you said is true to a very large extent. Like I said with a Mac you are paying for a pretty computer and stupid marketing campaigns like "Hi I am a Mac", macs are not practical for the real world to say the least.
Yes Apple isn't what it used to be its called 'going mainstream'. Things change. Could QC be a little better?...maybe. I think they're still doing a very good job so far. My mac runs fine, its fast sleek elegant and runs cool. The displays may be subpar on my MBP but Apple doesnt make them!!.
If you feel something else will serve you better then by all means get it. My mac does what i want it to do plus more as does my iPod and for this i'm thankful.
If you feel something else will serve you better then by all means get it. My mac does what i want it to do plus more as does my iPod and for this i'm thankful.
You are right, like all computer makers, Apple does not make the displays. BUT, they are not utilizing them correctly. That's the problem, and it's theirs.
As far as people telling people to go buy a Dell instead. There is no reason to get defensive!! People WANT Macs and some NEED Macs due to whatever programs are out there or the operating system. But we only have a limited number of Mac computers to choose from. This is why it is important for Mac to do things right. I don't see what is so hard to get this display on MBP done right. So many pc makers do it, why can't they? i like the theory I read on one of the threads. Some tech guy here thinks Apple isn't supplying the screen with the manufacturer's recommended amount of power. this is done so the computer can stay cooler and have longer battery life. It makes sense, and it makes sense why they can't get this screen brighter and need to use a filter. I personally don't care for longer battery life. Every cafe and now many planes have outlets!! Plug it in!!
I hope the ipod stops making money for them so they could start to pay attention to their computers again.
By the way, my computer runs cool. and the guy having problems with running Windows programs on Parallel should realize there are programs that won't run correctly through Parallels (especially graphic heavy applications like games). You have to run Windows in BootCamp in those cases!!
Hmm, so you are saying the recent spate of problems is not due to the cheap displays used but with something else?
i guess i should say they 'may' not be utilizing them correctly. there have been many theories, and no one knows the exact truth. either way. it is apple's problem regardless. if it's just cheap displays then Apple should switch displays. You can't not blame Apple because someone else makes the displays like some here suggest.
Something that I have actually been wondering about, is if it is because nobody makes good quality panels with this resolution, aspect ratio, and size. Hence Apple essentially shot itself in the foot and limited themselves down to these 3-4 models which we have.
If you see it that way, then it's totally true ..hardware and software is always
progressing and updating ....never be a final product. Also computers won't
last forever ..and breakdown oneday. What makes me really wonder is that
brand new machines ..even on the second generation (..and Pros) have their
issues right from the start.
for the history: My Quadra800 was running and rendering for years ..so did
the 8500 ..and the Pismo PowerBook ..always on and no probs, even getting
a good price when selling them. (the pismo was running mad 24/7..and was
replaced twice with very minor issues
by an apple service !)