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I didn't really askBut since you volunteered, have you driven both of them?
No. I would have to drive them to make the final determination. Just stating which one I would go for based on design, interior, etc. The Voodoo engine is special, but I dig the 'Vette's looks more.
But obviously I would have to drive them if I was a serious buyer looking into these vehicles. But stating my preference as of now based on what I know looking in from the outside.
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I am afraid to daily drive the Camaro once I get it. I wish I could keep my Saturn as the DD( to drive to work, in the snow, etc). But I can't afford it and need the trade in value of the car( or what remains of its value
As a member of the under 30 crowd, let me offer a bit of advice and tell you to shop for insurance quotes before making the final decision.
I do currently own two cars-one a collector car-and have talked at some length about buying another. I do have a real looming concern, though, that I'm going to need to replace my daily driver at some point and my dad is offering me a deal too good to refuse on his now superfluous 2010 MKZ.
The issue I'm running into is that I can't afford to get rid of my current daily driver. Its current book value is not enough to really enough to make a dent in the price of another car. Aside from that, though, keeping it as my primary vehicle keeps my insurance costs manageable.
A year and a half ago or so, I was looking at a decent, low mileage 3 series in the $16K range. It was a 328xi, which is a mid-range 3 series and the itemized insurance quote on it gave a bunch of discounts for all the safety features present. At the time, keeping my Lincoln and designating the 3 series as a secondary car would have saved me nearly $300/month on insurance vs. selling the Lincoln and having the 3 series as my only car. In one year, I would have more than made back trade-in value in insurance difference.
For the record, I have now been driving 12 years, have a squeaky clean record(not even a traffic stop), have never filed a claim, plus have an advanced degree and stable employment. The only thing I could do to myself more "lower risk" would be to get married/have kids.
If I buy my dad's MKZ, I will once again be in a similar situation with having a ~$13K book car that I need to insure.
Fortunately(I guess) I'm close to 30 and should see a drop in premiums then. I'm likely keeping the LS for a while both for the insurance savings and the fact that I just love driving it. My only issue is going to be that I'm going to need to rent a garage or two for the MGA(when it's done) and maybe the MGB.
I have done preliminary stuff on insurance for the Camaro and so far the rates seem decent. Will have to do more serious research when the time comes closer.
I probably could afford the Camaro still without trading in my Saturn, but maintaining two cars is the unaffordable and unwanted costs right now. Or are you trying to say costs in the long term will be cheaper if I have the Saturn as my primary vehicle and the Camaro as my secondary due to lower insurance costs? So far I have only looked into the Camaro as my only vehicle.
Overall my plan is to get the car paid off within 3 years even though the loan I would be doing would be 5-6 years( depending if I hit a 72 month 0% APR period and makes sense to take it). That case if anything happens and need to go to the lower payment, I could.
That is exactly what I'm saying. Call an agent and do some comparisons of the two scenarios, and you'll likely be shocked.
Without knowing your exact model or details of your Saturn, I don't think it's a stretch that a 27 year old would recoup the trade in value in a very short amount of time in terms of insurance savings. That's especially the case if you insure a $3K Saturn(guessing) as your primary vehicle and a $40K "sporty car" as a secondary/weekend driver. Again, from my own experience, you're looking at a $300 or better a month difference.
10 months and you've saved the trade in value. I'm guessing taxes are low on your Saturn, probably to the point where they're insignificant. With any older car, you're going to run into increased maintenance as it ages. With that said, if it's just going to be a beater/commuter you can forego most cosmetic and comfort maintenance and just keep up the mechanical and safety stuff. Fortunately, Saturn parts are cheap and if you don't mind getting your hands dirty you can do a fair bit yourself.
They look like awesome roads to take the Camaro to.
When [if] you get a Camaro, sign up for an HPDE (or two, or several ...) and learn how to drive fast (really drive fast) in a controlled environment.
When [if] you get a Camaro, sign up for an HPDE (or two, or several ...) and learn how to drive fast (really drive fast) in a controlled environment.
What do you think I will be driving? A Mustang out of Cars and Coffee?
Probably a smart idea considering I would be going from a 252 HP V6 FWD family sedan to a 455 HP RWD car that weighs practically the same as my Saturn. I would obviously need to do some research, but there are not many tracks near me I think. Mostly drag strips. Probably the closest track to me would be VIR, but that would be a 3-4 hour drive. But maybe the school would setup a road course in a parking lot. Will look into it and hopefully not have to use my own car.
Probably the closest track to me would be VIR, but that would be a 3-4 hour drive. But maybe the school would setup a road course in a parking lot. Will look into it and hopefully not have to use my own car.
Why not your own car?
Nothing beats learning high performance driving like learning it in the car where you'll be doing it.
To avoid damaging it in the process of learning where you will make mistakes.
I'm a two step process person. Learn the skills then apply them.But it's just a Camaro, not some über-rare PTS 911 GT3RS 4.0...
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Thank you. I'm glad that I drove my old car during the week because after the first week of owning this new Lexus. I was behind a guy that had just purchased a Toyota Corolla recently, when I was going into a parking garage on a steep incline and I was a few feet behind him waiting for him to pull up to the garage arm and enter that garage. But this guy took his foot off the brake (and no the white reverse tail lights wasn't on either) and he rolled back into my old Camry. I was so happy that I wasn't driving my new car that I didn't know what to do. Thank goodness for that old Camry sturdier and firmer front bumper that day.
Oh no! I hope you are ok! I am so glad it's not the Lexus!
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Another weekend... another embarrassing C&C incident...
Nothing new to see here folks
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When [if] you get a Camaro, sign up for an HPDE (or two, or several ...) and learn how to drive fast (really drive fast) in a controlled environment.
Next time I'm in LA or ATL... This is happening
https://www.porschedriving.com/home
They offer some cooler classes in Alabama, but the price
https://www.porschedriving.com/porsche-sport-driving-school/experiences
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I will walk from my home to work if I own something like the GT3RS....
Seriously.... I know it's just a Camaro. But for me, it's special. The looks, the engine, the sounds, the fact it would be my first big purchase, etc. As stated above, I accept it will get some "character" due to it being a daily driver. I just can't stand the people who are apathetic and just can't understand why someone else may get mad over them hitting and damaging another persons car( maybe they don't think $25,000 let alone $40,000 is a lot of money to spend and there for they should take care of their cars?).
Now I won't be an ******* and park across multiple parking spots, etc. I just want to do the most I can to prevent people hitting my car, etc.
Even that aside, that doesn't sound like a fun ownership experience. Get in the car and DRIVE it, sign up for a weekend HPDE and TAKE IT TO THE TRACK, realize it looks like a 4X4 and MOD IT
I'm certainly careful, but you gotta live a little
Hell yeah! Telemagenta shifter. Telemagenta screw on pedals. Red Hawaiian floral print seat covers.
I picked up an awesome cigarette lighter USB charger for my car a couple months ago. That's probably my most recent mod. It's also about time to switch out my OEM carpet floor mats for my OEM rubber floormats, one my other best mods. Maybe I'll throw the Thule ski rack on at the same time (maybe it will encourage me to go skiing).
At the end of the day a car is a car whether it be a 911, Camaro, or Daewoo Lanos. At the end of the day they're still objects. They can always be replaced. That's why they invented insurance. To buy a car and not enjoy it is silly.
Depending on the weather. I might switch our mats out for the rubber ones, too. The last time I had to was years ago on other cars we had. It simply hasn't rained much to warrant the need to switch them out. I'm not too worried about grime as I own a hot water extractor made for vehicles and small areas. It's simply easier to spray rubber mats with a solution and hose them off. Good as new.
I agree with A, here. I can understand at your younger age wanting to be extra careful with your car, but as he said, at the end of the day, it is just a car and it is meant to be used.
I agree with A, here. I can understand at your younger age wanting to be extra careful with your car, but as he said, at the end of the day, it is just a car and it is meant to be used.
I can remember when I bought my Lincoln, which was the first car I had that was truly MINE. I bought it in college, and I saved and paid cash out of pocket for most of it(my parents chipped in $1K each) and spent about two months finding the right one.
I can also remember being extraordinarily careful with the car. Someone jokingly put my name on a "reserved" sign in the church parking lot on a particular spot in the very back corner of the lot on a spot where I always parked(it was sort of buffered from all the others)-I think I'm the only one to have ever gotten a reserved spot with my name . All the other "reserved" spots are for guests, families with children, and the elderly.
In fact, I recall the first ding I got pretty clearly. I was meeting someone for dinner and parked at the very back of a restaurant parking lot. I did park in a single parking space, but the row was completely empty. As it would not have been a particularly busy night(I think it was maybe a Tuesday) I also didn't expect there to be a big run on parking spaces anywhere. I came out and found one other car in that row-they were parked right next to me and hugging the line, and had left a nice door ding on my passenger door.
Once I got over that, I quit caring AS MUCH.
I can also remember being extraordinarily careful with the car. Someone jokingly put my name on a "reserved" sign in the church parking lot on a particular spot in the very back corner of the lot on a spot where I always parked(it was sort of buffered from all the others)-I think I'm the only one to have ever gotten a reserved spot with my name
. All the other "reserved" spots are for guests, families with children, and the elderly. In fact, I recall the first ding I got pretty clearly. I was meeting someone for dinner and parked at the very back of a restaurant parking lot. I did park in a single parking space, but the row was completely empty. As it would not have been a particularly busy night(I think it was maybe a Tuesday) I also didn't expect there to be a big run on parking spaces anywhere. I came out and found one other car in that row-they were parked right next to me and hugging the line, and had left a nice door ding on my passenger door.
Once I got over that, I quit caring AS MUCH.
Some new models were shown off today.
2017 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
Ditch those hideous wheels and I think it will look quite good
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...new-e63-ahead-of-la-auto-show#image=100578773
[doublepost=1477435989][/doublepost]2017 Mini Countryman
http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/10/25/world-premiere-the-new-2017-mini-countryman/
2017 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
Ditch those hideous wheels and I think it will look quite good
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...new-e63-ahead-of-la-auto-show#image=100578773
[doublepost=1477435989][/doublepost]2017 Mini Countryman
http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/10/25/world-premiere-the-new-2017-mini-countryman/
My nephew sees that and he'll go through another period of wanting those things. That E AMG is nice. I don't like the wheels either. I'd prefer Merc finish their wheels with what Lexus does nowadays. Also, am I the only one who's incredibly disappointed that they chose to use a stalk at the wheel instead of a shift unit at the console on a true AMG?
[doublepost=1477466339][/doublepost]I hope they don't use it in the E wagons to come. It's such an old way of doing things.
[doublepost=1477466339][/doublepost]I hope they don't use it in the E wagons to come. It's such an old way of doing things.
Not that we didn't already expect it to but with the E63 AMG specs being released, it's all but official that the M5 is going to get a nice bump in HP and TQ from the F10's 560HP and 500TQ figures. These things are absolute monsters!
Gentlemen don't pull a lowendlinux and put a polyurethane transmission mount on an automatic. It does all the great stuff that poly mounts do but like all poly mounts they're not good at vibration dampening and stopped in traffic because its an auto you get a nice vibration massage
Hahaha, I dig on those wheels, but I _don't_ think they work on that Mercedes.
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I read something months ago about BMW saying they were planning on peaking in the HP war very soon, kind of suggest something around a 600HP limit.
There are diminishing returns on cost, durability, and being able to effectively use that power.
But it's just a Camaro, not some über-rare PTS 911 GT3RS 4.0...
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Oh no! I hope you are ok! I am so glad it's not the Lexus!
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Another weekend... another embarrassing C&C incident...
Nothing new to see here folks
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Next time I'm in LA or ATL... This is happening
https://www.porschedriving.com/home
They offer some cooler classes in Alabama, but the price
https://www.porschedriving.com/porsche-sport-driving-school/experiences
Yes, I'm okay.
When I first purchased the Lexus, I wasn't planning on just driving it for the weekends. It was something that came about organically.
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When I had my engine out, I(naturally) put all new mounts back in.
Poly part are 10x or more the cost of rubber from the major suppliers, but poly in general is a good choice for a lot of reasons. I paid $8 for a full set of rubber for my rear suspension when I redid it last year(total of 8 bushings and four axle pads) compared to $120 or so for the same thing in poly. The rubber is already showing signs of cracking and distress, and I've since found that my regular parts reseller/supplier has a poly kit for $40. The major difference is that the ones he gets are black rather than the common red ones. If I'd know at the time, I would have done that...especially given the work involved in replacing them. I might redo them in poly this winter. I also went ahead and ordered poly for the front...again about $40 for the full kit, although I haven't tackled that yet.
All of that aside, when I was buying engine and transmission mounts I asked about poly and I found out that no one even makes them. The reason was exactly as you've said-they transmit too much vibration. My old ones only made it 45 years, albeit with visible sag on the front ones, so if I get half that out of the new ones I won't complain too much. They're also not terrible to replace with the engine in, although admittedly if the engine is coming out it seems foolish to not change them unless they're brand new.
As an aside, Ari warned me nearly a year ago about British cars getting into your blood. My parents had a DNA profile done, and both of them came back at well over 80% British. My dad was in the high 80% range, while my mom was low 80s and showed 11% Irish. I guess that confirms that they are-indeed-in my blood
.Now off to write out the full restoration details on the MGA I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy
My nephew sees that and he'll go through another period of wanting those things. That E AMG is nice. I don't like the wheels either. I'd prefer Merc finish their wheels with what Lexus does nowadays. Also, am I the only one who's incredibly disappointed that they chose to use a stalk at the wheel instead of a shift unit at the console on a true AMG?
[doublepost=1477466339][/doublepost]I hope they don't use it in the E wagons to come. It's such an old way of doing things.
That's one thing I can't stand about Merc's... Stalk shifters... so lame. Granted to this day I hate the "backwards" BMW electronic gear shift. When ever I get in the GF's car with a conventional shifter, I'm always pushing it in the wrong direction. BMW mind F---.
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@PowerMac G4 MDD - Looks like Neiman Marcus has decided to create their next special edition vehicle...
This year...
An Infiniti Q60s.
http://www.infinitiusa.com/coupe/q60/neiman-marcus-limited-edition/
$10,000 over the normal Q60s... but it comes with that "stunning" yellow-brown, white leather, and to top it off- a white leather duffle bag featuring the vehicles's vin number!!
As your people say, "oi vey." Might be cheaper to buy a regular one in white and dust it with turmeric and then clear coat it.