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JoeG4

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So I have a Dodge Charger as a rental until next Friday..... Let's say my thoughts are mixed on it so far..... Looks are great, interior is fairly good, and the Pentastar V6 moves it fairly well along with the ZF 8 speed. I think my issues with it is the brand image when I think what a Dodge should be. I hope the RT, SRT8, and Hellcat change this, but with the V6 model, it feels way too isolated from the road for what should be a performance sedan. It's a cruiser more than a performance vehicle. Very comfortable, suspension more for comfort, etc.

Best way I can describe it, it's got the looks with some sportiness to satisfy the guy, but then has the isolation and comfort to keep the GF/wife happy too.

Depends on the car. The V8 models (especially the special versions) usually have much stiffer suspensions and steering setups. I know from experience the V6s are very soft in comparison, especially with the 17" wheels if you get unlucky enough to get one of those. :\
 

D.T.

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$10,000 over the normal Q60s... but it comes with that "stunning" yellow-brown, white leather, and to top it off- a white leather duffle bag featuring the vehicles's vin number!!

Sign me up! I hope it also comes with that outfit so I can wear it when I park in the desert.

As your people say, "oi vey.

I think you mean, "You people ..."
 
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0388631

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I think you mean, "You people ..."
I'm going back to bed, hoping not to awoken to prep another warm water bottle, but I'll take a swing here. Tropic Thunder? I've seen the internet meme itself, but I've never seen the film or the scene.
 

A.Goldberg

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As your people say, "oi vey."

I think you mean "oy vey" ...Unless "my people" are British hoolagans drunkenly screaming "Oi Oi Oi" in the stands of football match.

Or we could just cut the BS and actually not try to phonetically write a foreign language with the inappropriate alphabet and say:
אױ װײ

But I don't speak Yiddish. Technically the Hebrew version would be Oy Vavoy aka:
אוי ואבוי

Stick that one in your back pocket.

(Ugh iOS makes it very difficult to put the two alphabets in the same sentence, it starts flipping around the word order because of the directionality)
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Sign me up! I hope it also comes with that outfit so I can wear it when I park in the desert.



I think you mean, "You people ..."

The Tom Ford and Dolce & Gabbana outfit is an available option for an additional $6,750 and is only available at your local Nemain Marcus. Please note size limitations. Complimentary delivery to the middle of the desert may be negotiated trough your local Infiniti dealer/Neiman Marcus store. Delivery of the leather bag is required prior to vehicle delivery 1. To carry your desert survival supplies to get to the desert and 2. VIN number in bag will be proof of purchase for delivery associate to release vehicle to you.

Ok enough of that nonsensical banter. Seriously I can't imagine they'll be selling too many of these.
 
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lowendlinux

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WTF is this other than an impossibly ugly Bentley
 

A.Goldberg

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Such an ugly car. I hope BMW/Rolls Royce does better a lot better with the design and it's not just a Ghost/next-gen Phantom shell that's raised for higher clearance and calling it a SUV/SAV.

I highly doubt it. I can't see the boxy phantom look fitting into an SUV package, especially if they plan on using some off the shelf platform like the Bentyaga.
 

iLog.Genius

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I highly doubt it. I can't see the boxy phantom look fitting into an SUV package, especially if they plan on using some off the shelf platform like the Bentyaga.

I hope that is the case. Now that we see what the Bentyaga looks like, Rolls Royce has a real opportunity to actually produce something that should be a lot more attractive than the Bentyaga to define and be the benchmark of the uber-luxury/bespoke SAV/SUV.
 

A.Goldberg

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I hope that is the case. Now that we see what the Bentyaga looks like, Rolls Royce has a real opportunity to actually produce something that should be a lot more attractive than the Bentyaga to define and be the benchmark of the uber-luxury/bespoke SAV/SUV.

Yeah. The Bentyaga clearly displays the Q7 heritage underneath. I imagine in future iterations they'll do more to distinguish it... but knowing a product lifecycle with Bentley is 10+ years on average these days I'm not expecting much anytime soon.

I believe the Rolls Royce is going to be based off the X7 chasis, which I believe is supposedly related to the X5. I think they will have a lot of difficulty managing to fit the classic RR look into an SUV stance as is. That boxy hood with square headlights and hood ornament I cannot imagine will go over well. I think Bentley has a better style in general, more conducive to an SUV adaptation.

I really do not like this "shelf butt" trend that seems to be catching on. Not a good look IMO.
 

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I've seen a few Bentaygas around town now and they look hideous regardless of color. I think the price paid for these monstrosities of design speak volumes about why people buy them and why they never bought a Bentley before. It's the new in-thing with soccer moms. Thankfully, I never have to worry about my wife wanting one. She hates SUVs, crossovers and just about any raised vehicle. It might have to do with her sister always owning large SUVs and driving like a maniac. I personally never knew a Range Rover V8 could hit 110 mph until a few weeks ago. Scariest moment of my life. I don't think things have truly dropped down since. 110 mph in a sedan or coupe versus a large SUV is vastly different.

Think the fastest I've pushed my GL was 90 or 95 mph on a flat highway in the middle of nowhere upstate. You don't feel the speed in it.
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I really do not like this "shelf butt" trend that seems to be catching on. Not a good look IMO.
It's designed for spatial awareness and other mumbo jumbo. It does impede on interior room in terms of cubic feet. Are you wanting more space or more rows to haul people around? I like the Q7. Really smitten with the dark grey exteriors, brown leather and piano black trim in conjunction with burled wood. It's an inviting cockpit. I blame AU.
 
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PowerMac G4 MDD

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That's one thing I can't stand about Merc's... Stalk shifters... so lame. Granted to this day I hate the "backwards" BMW electronic gear shift. When ever I get in the GF's car with a conventional shifter, I'm always pushing it in the wrong direction. BMW mind F---.

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@PowerMac G4 MDD - Looks like Neiman Marcus has decided to create their next special edition vehicle...

This year...

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An Infiniti Q60s.

http://www.infinitiusa.com/coupe/q60/neiman-marcus-limited-edition/

$10,000 over the normal Q60s... but it comes with that "stunning" yellow-brown, white leather, and to top it off- a white leather duffle bag featuring the vehicles's vin number!!

xD Yeah, I'd never buy Neiman Marcus anything. Great package, but way too expensive. That Infiniti looks great.
 
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Alphazoid

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I like the Q7. Really smitten with the dark grey exteriors, brown leather and piano black trim in conjunction with burled wood. It's an inviting cockpit. I blame AU.

Really? I think its the ugliest Q7 ever made. The Q5 is miles better.

The Bentayga is the epitome of more money than sense/money doesn't buy you taste. Its hideous.

Speaking of Range Rover why do so many women love this car. I've polled about 11 women recently "dream car?...range rover" just...why.
 

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At the time, it was one of the better looking SUVs. It was different compared to other imports and domestics. It was nice inside and out. It had an iconic look. They're terrible cars though.
 

Alphazoid

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Don't get me wrong i like an RR and if i had money i'd probably get an Overfinch Sport. If Audi it would hands down be the Q5...probably the only SUV i'd consider in the market right now...followed by the F-Pace.

Don't think you could even pay me to drive a Bentayga though.
 

A.Goldberg

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These two quotes below. What on earth is going on here???!!!!

It's designed for spatial awareness and other mumbo jumbo. It does impede on interior room in terms of cubic feet. Are you wanting more space or more rows to haul people around? I like the Q7. Really smitten with the dark grey exteriors, brown leather and piano black trim in conjunction with burled wood. It's an inviting cockpit. I blame AU.
Mr. The GL is had the best most sophisticated interior and is the best car ever and it feels like it "rides on rails" level of uncomfortable :D

xD Yeah, I'd never buy Neiman Marcus anything. Great package, but way to expensive. That Infiniti looks great.
 

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I said I liked the Q7, not that I liked the way Audis handle. I do, however, love the TT series. It fits like a glove. Literally. I'm still amazed that I can fit in quite comfortable at my height. One can appreciate the downplayed character of an Audi. Drive an A8L 4.0 somewhere and no one will assume it's a $100,000+ car with options included. Drive an S class and you'll get stares. I've said in the past, I like Mercs because of the numbed driving. It's effortless, it's comfortable, borderline pampering if you've got massaging seats and other gizmos. Not on the level of a high street automobile company, but quite good in its own way. I think this is where AU and I differ a lot apart from our bran choices. He enjoys the active, tight and smooth driving made available to Porsche and Audi, and the Golf R, but I really don't dig that unless it's a Porsche. It's a strange sensation to me in a larger car. With a Merc, especially the new S class, you could run over a dog or a cat, or maybe a human body dumped in the street and not feel much. Everything is absorbed and you don't hear much from the outside. It's serene, peaceful, and oh so relaxing. There could be a live assassination or a multiple victim shoot out and you won't hear anything but very muffled gunshots.

And, like you, I'm also WTH'ing at PowerMac's post. I'd have thought he'd dropped his trousers by now.
 

bunnspecial

macrumors G3
May 3, 2014
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Boring, technical MGB update #348

I think I've mentioned that I've been fighting an oil leak since the engine was out. This leak has actually taken a few different forms. The most concerning of these is extreme vaporization at higher engine speeds(4500rpms+, with anything much about that essentially leaving a blue haze in its wake). In addition, it would dump a few ounce of oil every time the engine was shut down.

Aside from the environmental consequences, this also turns into a decent expense when the engine is dumping 1 quart every 50-100 miles. There are a lot of opinions and debates on oil in general and in specifics for the "B" engine, but I have settled on Valvoline VR-1 20W-50. This is the factory recommended weight, so there's not a lot of argument there. The B series engines, like a lot of old engines, are overhead valve(pushrod) engines with "flat" tappets. Unlike the roller tappets used on modern OHV engines, flat tappets have localized areas of very high pressure as the tappets rise on the lobes of the camshaft. In the past, zinc dialkyldithiophosphate(ZDDP) in the oil was used to form a sacrificial wear surface on the camshaft to reduce wear on the the lobes. Because the phosphorous can foul catalytic converters, the latest API oil specifications call for much lower ZDDP levels. This isn't an issue for overhead cams and for roller cams, where camshaft pressure is much less, and overall isn't an issue in the grand scheme of things since there are no current production street engines that use overhead valves with flat tappets. The "magic number" is roughly 1200ppm zinc, and many oils now have 1/2 to 1/3 of that. My car has flat tappets and no catalytic converter, so I want high zinc oils. I'm aware of three oils in the US market-all 20W-50-that retain this level. They are Valvoline VR-1, Brad Penn(Kendall), and Amsoil. The Valvoline gets the nod from me...it's not a "boutique" oil like the other two and is readily available at most any well stocked auto parts store, plus is about $6/quart compared to $8 for Brad Penn and $10+ for Amsoil. A half case(6 quarts) of VR-1 is $28 at Rural King, which makes it even more economical. VR-1 is marketed as a "racing oil" but is street legal and has has street-type additives(i.e. good buffering capacity and good detergents) unlike the black bottle, special order Valvoline racing oil that really is only meant to run one race and be drained. All that aside, even at its relatively low cost(albeit in the price range of most synthetics rather than conventional oils, even though VR-1 is conventional) losing that much oil that quickly is pricey.

All that aside, when the engine was out we changed every easily accessible gasket. On the oil end of things, it got a new pan gasket(it was nice to see the sump and bottom end condition), valve cover gasket, and replacement gaskets for the side covers/tappet inspection covers.

When I initially made the parts order, I ordered cork gaskets for the tappet covers. I emailed the list to my parts guy, who called me and said "Why are you ordering cork gaskets for those." He talked me into the fancy silicon rubber ones, and I was agreeable since they were about $1 each more expensive than cork. The rubber gaskets are quite bulky at 1/4" or so each, while the cork ones are about the thickness of a few sheets of paper.

So, the rubber gaskets went in place. They are easy to access with the engine out, but basically impossible with everything installed because they sit right behind the exhaust manifold.

I'd pretty much tracked my leak to these gaskets, as oil would puddle on that side of the engine and that side was wet with oil. The vaporization was worse with the crankcase completely open to the atmosphere(putting a small purpose made filter/oil separator on the crankcase vent rather than routing it directly to the carburetor throats as on the stock set-up-this creates enough of a vacuum to help pull out crank case gasses) but would still happen at higher RPMs. This 100K mile engine likely has a decent amount of blow-by, seemingly confirmed by what I was seeing in the oil leaks(and also somewhat low albeit consistent compression readings), but again it wasn't a problem before the engine came out.

I talked to John Twist(MG guru) about the problem and he too was concerned about blow-by, but also asked me if I was using "those G-D red rubber tappet galley gaskets." He went on to say that he will only use cork, as the rubber is just too thick and tends to distort and leak.

Even so, I managed to get a wrench on the front cover and tightened it about two turns. This just made it worse, as I'd inadvertently squeezed more of the rubber out. It's likely that increased crankcase pressure at high RPMs just was too much for the breather system to handle at it forced oil out the "path of least resistance." The vacuum breather hoses connect to a ported vacuum source(just in front of the throttle butterflies) and the vacuum in this area is relatively low when maintaining a constant speed. If I find it a continuous problem, I might end up moving the breather system over to the manifold since its vacuum is highest at constant RPMs/loads.

I needed some work done on the exhaust manifold due to snapped studs when we pulled it apart. The snapped studs are common due to their location and extreme heat stress. We'd jerry-rigged it together when we put it back together since we were trying to track down parts on a Sunday morning. Basically we ended up using bolts directly into the manifold for most of them-a sloppy but incorrect fix-but one hole was bad enough that it ended up with a nut and bolt-again a really sloppy fix. This left me with an annoying and possibly dangerous exhaust leak-the cabins aren't THAT tight, and I could hear "popping" from the exhaust manifold when driving. I didn't dare drive it top up, windows shut for this very reason.

So, finally I conceded and dropped it off with my local mechanic. He is another MG nut, and in fact has the MGA that I'm likely going to buy. I told him to do what he could on exhaust, but also to try and find the oil leak.

He took one look and saw the rubber gaskets and mentioned to me how much he hated them. Fortunately, he has a set of cork ones on the shelf. He hasn't finished the job just yet(he should finish it tomorrow) but they will be simple to change when he has the manifold off. He didn't charge me for them either, although I made a gentleman's agreement with him to order replacements when I put in my next Moss order.

So, the resolution to this is for anyone working on this type of engine not to use rubber tappet gaskets. Hopefully this will fix it.

The blow-by still needs to be addressed, but it's more than I want to tackle right now. Fortunately, piston rings can be changed with the engine in the car. The head has to come off-something that's not a huge deal on OHV engines-along with the oil pan. It's then possible to undo the connecting rod bearings and push the piston out through the top of the block. Of course, rod bearings get replaced also. As long as I can get the crankcase leakage under control, I can kick that can down the road a bit longer and pay put it off until it's time for a complete engine rebuild.
 
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