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My buddy delivered, have had free rein of a new Cayenne S since Wednesday. Its been an interesting experience all in all. I've never driven anything quite this large with this much power. Just under 400hp for the diesel and a substantial amount of torque means it picks up speed faster than anything this size ought to. It makes a nice whoosh sound when you put your foot on the gas, though funnily enough standing still in traffic it sounds like a tractor. I found it to be a fairly firm drive even in comfort setting, but far from uncomfortable. I do believe you can option air suspension on these as well which would probably make it waft along nicely. In terms of options though, holy crap. A lot of novelty, with the panoramic sunroof, cooled seats and memory seats. I love how as soon as I turn the key it adjusts my seat and steering wheel to my preset, then adjusts it all again when the car is turned off and I'm about to get out. My Audi makes me do all of the above manually like some kind of caveman :p. Some options I'm not sold on though, like the keyless entry feature. Seems like a potential security issue. The cabin is a lovely place to be as well. You sit fairly high, but the dash sits just below your eyeline to visibility all around is perfect. In terms of visibility, finally got around to seeing the practical benefits of LED headlights other than cool patterns. It illuminates so much more of the road it's ridiculous. These should come standard on more cars.

Overall, a very well rounded car and I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to experience it for the last few days. Will be somewhat sad to hand the keys back over after the wedding is done and dusted.
 
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It'll still be fairly firm with the air suspension. Porsche's are built to be rigid and firm, but offer a very smooth ride. It is a very specific quality their cars have alongside being incredibly maneuverable. The 911, as you would know, is the gold standard of what a sports car is and is benched against by other car manufacturers. Few cars are capable of taking a deserted street corner above 40 MPH without whimpering. The 911, Cayman and Boxster are a few of those vehicles. As you take the corner, you experience a few G forces pushing you into the bolsters of the opposing side and being pushed into the seat. The muscles and tendons in your neck fighting to keep your head in place. The direct feeling of the road beneath you, yet still enjoying a smooth ride. As you make the mid point of the corner, you can almost feel every single pebble your tires go over, giving slight feedback. You can almost feel each tire screaming at the other tires internally to keep grip. These cars and others of their class almost defy the laws of physics. The only way to beat this is driving a hypercar or supercar capable of doing this.

Yet during that entire time, the tires almost never lose grip and you feel like a badass making that turn. You are the James Dean of today.

First time BMW drivers are enamored with how the cars handle across the range. If and when they get a chance to drive a Porsche, specifically a 911, they're blown away. Even as BMW slink away from their UDM statement, their cars, with the exception of the X1, handle very differently compared to other marques.

There is a very good reason that when you visit a Porsche dealership they'll let you test drive almost any vehicle you want. Even if you couldn't afford an option on the cars now.

There are companies out there that are the defacto standard of the segment. A good compromise between usability, features and price. Porsche is one of those companies. On the software end, Adobe is another. They know that once someone experiences their product, in the latter's case it's often piracy, they know they've got a future customer. Once someone gets hooked into the product, it's hard for that person to never want that product in their hands. Porsche knows that if a father and son go to look at the cars, they'll offer test drives to both. Father may get one, son will envy him. However, the son will work towards a career that's both fulfilling and pays well, so that he may get a Porsche like his father one day, too.

This is also why Porsche put a great deal of time and money in their CPO program unlike other car companies. They know someone will want an almost as good as new Porsche and save money to boot, but still invest in the brand. And, of course, they're more likely to buy new the next time around.
 
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Interesting. It's made by P&S except that's not a company I've read nor heard about. Is it American or foreign? Really bad brake dust comes off easily with a very diluted solution of Simple Green and water. I use the Simple Green Crystal, which is industrial grade. I use 1 oz to 18 oz of water in a bottle. Spray on, lightly agitate and spray off with water. 1 minute per wheel. And then I follow with my traditional sprays and cleaners. Ideally, you'll want to learn how to clay your car and probably invest some time and money into more gear unless you'd be willing to spend anywhere from $300-1200 every other year to have the car brought back to "new."

I read about a 991.1 GT3 RS owner who spent about $8,000 on a full interior and exterior detail on a lightly used RS he bought about 500 miles from his house the other day. A lot of the cost is the quality of products you use, the expertise, the time taken, plus the RS received several coats of various nano and particulate coatings that require hot lamps to cure. It's like a very good synthetic wax on steroids. Also very pricey. Then there's quality trim dressings that cost a lot, too, but last anywhere from 8 months to several years.

That brush is actually a really good brush. I use it on my GL's large wheels. Good news is that there are a lot of quality kits out there with quality products that come with them. If you don't want to get stuff a la carte, you can get a kit. There's a few other brushes I could recommend that'll make interior and exterior cleaning a cinch for you, if you want.

Edit: Looks like P&S is a reseller of pads and hardware, but also makes stuff for mass car washes, not specialists. Interesting. I'll have to look at some of their products and ask around. As far as the RS goes, I'm sure @AutoUnion39 would know what I'm talking about since he follows Porsche stuff closely and would have heard about this.

I don't know much about P&S myself. A youtuber I watch occasionally that owns a gen 6 Camaro reviewed both brake buster and the bead maker, liked it, and I decided to try it myself. Both works great and ordered the gallon sizes after deciding that I liked the products myself. I used to use my car soap, but it is pricey and don't want to use it on my wheels( It's Dodo Juice Mild Car Shampoo). I am trying to find a nice middle ground about keeping the Camaro in really good shape without going crazy over board. I do plan to get it detailed once a year( post-winter).

I know the latest and greatest in keeping a car exterior looking great is getting a ceramic coating done, but that will be $2000-$3000. As of now, an investment I am not willing to make considering I am chipping in getting electricity to the detached garage where I park the Camaro to get a opener installed and that $2000-$3000 for a ceramic coating will be going towards the winter rims and tires. Plus I still need to save money for a down payment towards a house/condo. Maybe next year I will consider doing the ceramic coating, but not in the cards right now.

Sure I will take those recommendations. Especially the interior care stuff you use. I am pretty happy with the sheep skin mitt that I use for washing the exterior.
 
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Anyone know a good product for repelling brake dust. It such a pain in the neck to clean off. It's too bad they don't make brake pads out of absestos anymore (or it's too bad asbestos causes cancer).

Ideally, you'll want to learn how to clay your car and probably invest some time and money into more gear unless you'd be willing to spend anywhere from $300-1200 every other year to have the car brought back to "new

I clayed my black Grand Cherokee back in the day. It's incredible how much crap gets imbedded in the paint. Then before/after wasn't as impressive as they advertise on the kits boxes, but it did make a significant difference. The key is to go very carefully, if you drop the clay on the ground it's game over.

Some options I'm not sold on though, like the keyless entry feature.
I'm torn on keyless entry/start. On the one hand, not having to use the key fob can be very convenient and it's something you get comfortable with way too easily. Sometimes if I'm tired and not paying attention, I expect all doors to just unlock because I'm touching them (ex. The door to my house). On the other hand, I miss being able to put the key in the ignition and turn. Push to start doesn't have quite the same feeling.

Will be somewhat sad to hand the keys back over after the wedding is done and dusted.
Ahhh yes, that's unfortunate. I get the same feeling whenever I go back to my parents home and get to drive my fathers Range Rover Sport.
 
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Anyone know a good product for repelling brake dust. It such a pain in the neck to clean off. It's too bad they don't make brake pads out of absestos anymore (or it's too bad asbestos causes cancer).

The person who reviewed Bead Maker said the person who supplied it suggested it to put it on the wheels too and said it worked pretty well at keeping the wheels clean.
 
Anyone know a good product for repelling brake dust. It such a pain in the neck to clean off. It's too bad they don't make brake pads out of absestos anymore (or it's too bad asbestos causes cancer).
Off the body? Nothing, really. There is Iron X and similar products. They're paint safe and encapsulate contaminants so most can be washed off, the rest removed with manual labor. The product changes its color where it meets contamination, indicating an area of interest and high concentration. It's good stuff, but a bit pricey unless you buy the large refill container.

For wheel dressings after a good scrub? There's plenty of products that provide a wax or nano particulate like coating that prevent brake dust and other gunk from attaching itself to the valleys on the wheel's surface.
I clayed my black Grand Cherokee back in the day. It's incredible how much crap gets imbedded in the paint. Then before/after wasn't as impressive as they advertise on the kits boxes, but it did make a significant difference. The key is to go very carefully, if you drop the clay on the ground it's game over.
It's my believe that those in colder environments won't see much grime in the clay as those in warmer areas. That said, claying a car is labor intensive and I only do a full clay once a year and do parts here and there. The area near the wheels is critical due to the gunk sprayed up from the road and brake dust. Also worth noting not all clay is the same.
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I'm torn on keyless entry/start. On the one hand, not having to use the key fob can be very convenient and it's something you get comfortable with way too easily. Sometimes if I'm tired and not paying attention, I expect all doors to just unlock because I'm touching them (ex. The door to my house). On the other hand, I miss being able to put the key in the ignition and turn. Push to start doesn't have quite the same feeling.
I believe the 911, Cayman, Boxster and the Panamera are the cars by Porsche that are not going to recieve push button start due to the racing ideology of yester year. I can see why they offer it on the Cayenne.
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It's Dodo Juice Mild Car Shampoo
Oh. That's a lovely product. Smells lush, too.

The ceramic coating with the nano particulate costs a lot. It's worth it. There's a dizzying array of products today that weren't around when I began getting my vehicles into top notch shape.

It's a very relaxing activity. Pop in some earbuds, play some nice music, let the silliness of the world melt away. Interior products wise, since you've got leather, nearly any quality product will work. Did you purchase all weather mats in addition to summer mats?


@A.Goldberg Get the Range Rover Evoque Convertible.
 
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So tempting..... Want to do my own oil changes and was going to make these as my christmas present request, but good discount on them now....

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Ramps have always scared me.

IMO, a hydraulic jack and a good set of jackstands will serve you MUCH better and are many times more flexible in terms of the kinds of work they allow you to do.

If we want to get particular about cleaning, I actually pull my wheels at least once a year with the specific intent to scrub the wheel wells, calipers, and back of the wheels. You can't get them as clean any other way. Jack stands make that easy, albeit I'd be lost without them for a LOT of repairs.
 
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Ramps have always scared me.

IMO, a hydraulic jack and a good set of jackstands will serve you MUCH better and are many times more flexible in terms of the kinds of work they allow you to do.

I would only use the ramps for oil changes. I already have the floor jack. Do need to pick up jack stands.

If we want to get particular about cleaning, I actually pull my wheels at least once a year with the specific intent to scrub the wheel wells, calipers, and back of the wheels. You can't get them as clean any other way. Jack stands make that easy, albeit I'd be lost without them for a LOT of repairs.

That is what I plan to do anyway when I put my winter setup on the car and put the summer/stock wheels in storage. The Camaro's wheels are fairly open so I have been able to clean the drum of the wheels, but I am sure the back of the spokes is filthy.
 
So, now that I finally had a chance to do a full blown interior/exterior detail, and with 750 miles on the clock, I figured I'd share some photos of it all cleaned up along with some updated impressions.

While I still haven't broken it in completely or had it above 4k RPMs, it definitely scoots pretty good and feels light on its feet; it doesn't feel like a 3500 lb vehicle. My Mustang was 3600 lbs and you felt it - this one, you don't. I threw it through some twisties while giving my sister and brother in law a ride and even I was impressed at how neutral the handling felt, and just how well it handled. It does live up to it's reputation as a GTI on stilts and it shows in the curves. I have never driven any small SUV that handled as good as this, especially not at this price point. While I previously felt this was slightly overpriced at around $32k-$33k, I now don't believe so. I think this is actually a fantastic buy at this price point because of the driving dynamics. Steering is light, but not as light as some other cars and I have no real complaints with the steering. The car is also nice and quiet, no rattles or squeaks, and feels screwed together better than the other one I drove a year or so ago (maybe that's why I felt it was overpriced previously). I will reaffirm that the ride is quite harsh/punishing on bad pavement, however. But for me, that's par for the course and normal but I can definitely see where someone who isn't a car person might test drive an SEL with the 19s and run away to a Toyota. For me though, the 19s and the fender flares are what make the car. To me it's amazing how different an S or SE looks compared to an SEL, they look like totally different animals IMO. I'm starting to really warm up to the two tone 19s they are using for 2017, having previously loved and always saying I liked the all silver Savannahs they used through 2016 more. I think the two tone ones complement the black plastic lower valences around the car. On good pavement though, it's silky smooth and quiet. Driving position is spot on for me as well.

I'm also still getting used to the throttle tip-in, as this is my first turbo car, and it seems to be less willing to creep forward with a tiny amount of gas pedal input. You sort of have to be deliberate with your intentions with the gas pedal, but once you stab the gas it's pretty fun as it revs up and you surge forward. I don't hear the turbo, but I haven't really been listening for it either. Brakes are nice and linear, not grabby at all. The panoramic roof is great, as are the memory seats and rain sensing wipers. Love the adaptive headlights. The leather is better quality than what was in my Mustang. Fit and finish and panel gaps are on point all around, nice solid bank vault door thud like you'd expect from VW. This is the stuff they almost always get right. The size is perfect for us, both being short, and this has more than enough room for us and the one kid we plan to have. Cargo capacity is more than enough for us. Apple Carplay I could take it or leave it, don't use it but it adds to the wow factor to others.

Gripes? Not many. I guess if I want to really nitpick, it would be nice if there was another USB port out of sight. I use an iPod docked permanently, would be nice to have it out of sight. Other than that, as mentioned, no homelink or LED tails or LED fogs are really all I can complain about. Or I guess air conditioned seats would be nice, but that still isn't as mainstream as I'd like yet (getting there though). I actually have no complaints that there are no active safety features (these are often just intrusive/annoying), although the camera is nice for backing up along a fence at the park and ride every morning.

Ownership hasn't been without a couple small issues, however. I had a couple initial quality issues - the first day I had it the ratcheting armrest did drop down out of position a time or two, I didn't think much of it until the next day when it more or less failed 50% of the time. The armrest ended up needing to be replaced. Another issue I had was I noticed what looked to be a dirt mark on the driver's side lower B-pillar plastic trim only to realize it was a stress mark in the plastic, accompanied with a bulge. Turns out someone at the factory had a hangover that day and rammed the B-pillar trim into place, managing to fold the clip over on itself, causing the bulge. This and the armrest were replaced by the dealer last week and all is as good as new. Lastly, I did experience one quirk with the MIB-II the other day - I started the car and noticed the fader setting wasn't correct. Going into the sound settings, it looked to be in the right place, but moving the fader slider forward or back all the way made no difference, it didn't respond. A restart of the car fixed it, so who knows. Not going to worry about it.

Overall really happy with the purchase and can't think of anything else I'd rather be driving day to day right now. Glad I pulled the trigger on this one. Hard to believe it but I don't really miss the Coyote, always happy to look forward. Now on to the pics (did 5 coats product - one coat of glaze, two coats of sealant, and two coats of wax, and topped it all off with a spray sealant at the end). All trim dressed, and did everything in the interior as well. Looks like a million bucks.

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I would only use the ramps for oil changes. I already have the floor jack. Do need to pick up jack stands.

Maybe it's just me, but like I said I don't like ramps in any way, shape, or form.

If you have a hydraulic jack, get some jackstands sooner rather than later. A hydraulic jack used alone is an accident waiting to happen as they will tend to creep down under load. Working under a car supported only by a jack is a good way to get yourself killed, as is working under one with impromtu supports(concrete blocks, planks, etc).

BTW, I never discourage buying quality tools and that's especially true with safety items. With that said, for car work quality 2-ton stands are more than fine. Most modern cars are right at 2 tons, and even if you're trying to use a single jack stand to raise the entire side of your car(bad idea and also difficult to do) you're still at half the rated capacity of a 2-ton stand. Using them at the corners, you're at ~1/4 the rated load.

3 ton stands may look appealing since they're often not much more expensive, but they're also significantly larger. In my case, if you're a big guy working on a small car, this can actually kind of be a big deal since you might find yourself constantly working around or even repositioning a 3 ton stand to get where you need to be. I couldn't tell you how many times I moved them on the MG last week when I was pulling the exhaust manifold and then pulling bolt out of the trans bell housing to get an exhaust mount bracket installed.
 
You did overkill on sealing it. Typically, sealant is going to be better than natural or synthetic wax and used in place. However, I suspect your work will go noticed for at least a year due to the numerous sealing methods you used. The car looks great.

The Atlas is going to sell very well here. It's at a good price point compared to VW's other large SUV that's on its way out. It, the Golf Alltrack and the Arteon are going to be everywhere within a year to a year and a half. VW is slowly trying to shed the "Cheap German" opinion people have about them. VW just need some lessons in OEM wheel design. Good grief.
 
Just got in some detailing schtuff and spent a few hours "dialing in" the stang...
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I literally have never seen this thread before and can't believe I've missed it. I actually do car vlogs with my Mustang every couple weeks. If you're bored I'll embed the last one I did:
 
Maybe it's just me, but like I said I don't like ramps in any way, shape, or form.

If you have a hydraulic jack, get some jackstands sooner rather than later. A hydraulic jack used alone is an accident waiting to happen as they will tend to creep down under load. Working under a car supported only by a jack is a good way to get yourself killed, as is working under one with impromtu supports(concrete blocks, planks, etc).

BTW, I never discourage buying quality tools and that's especially true with safety items. With that said, for car work quality 2-ton stands are more than fine. Most modern cars are right at 2 tons, and even if you're trying to use a single jack stand to raise the entire side of your car(bad idea and also difficult to do) you're still at half the rated capacity of a 2-ton stand. Using them at the corners, you're at ~1/4 the rated load.

3 ton stands may look appealing since they're often not much more expensive, but they're also significantly larger. In my case, if you're a big guy working on a small car, this can actually kind of be a big deal since you might find yourself constantly working around or even repositioning a 3 ton stand to get where you need to be. I couldn't tell you how many times I moved them on the MG last week when I was pulling the exhaust manifold and then pulling bolt out of the trans bell housing to get an exhaust mount bracket installed.

I haven't had the need to use the floor jack yet hence why I didn't get the jack stands yet. It's in the cards. I also don't plan to do a whole lot of the work myself. Only thing I plan to do is oil changes and changing the wheels between my winter setup and the stock wheels/summer tires. Will definitely do stands when I change the tires out.

What is your fear with the ramps? That they will collapse?

Though the Alpha platform is so rigid, it can lift the entire side of the car using the floor jack. Again not something I plan to do, just pointing it out.Go to 5:06......

 
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I haven't had the need to use the floor jack yet hence why I didn't get the jack stands yet. It's in the cards. I also don't plan to do a whole lot of the work myself. Only thing I plan to do is oil changes and changing the wheels between my winter setup and the stock wheels/summer tires. Will definitely do stands when I change the tires out.

What is your fear with the ramps? That they will collapse?

Though the Alpha platform is so rigid, it can lift the entire side of the car using the floor jack. Again not something I plan to do, just pointing it out.Go to 5:06......


Ramps are sketchy. Getting the car up on them is a bit nerve racking. Once the car is up and assuming you didn't overshoot the end of the ramp, the car is more stable than jack stands. Jack stands however are less scary when getting the car up and have more versatility.

If I were you I'd go on Craigslist and find some quality cast iron jack stands.
 
Ramps are sketchy. Getting the car up on them is a bit nerve racking. Once the car is up and assuming you didn't overshoot the end of the ramp, the car is more stable than jack stands. Jack stands however are less scary when getting the car up and have more versatility.

If I were you I'd go on Craigslist and find some quality cast iron jack stands.

Agreed-they're fine with the car on them, but getting everything lined up right to get the car on is difficult. I'm also often working on my car myself, and getting them lined up correctly really requires a spotter on the outside.

In addition, if your car is low the ramps pictured here don't give you a huge amount of clearance anyway.

Being able to lift one side of the car by a single jack certainly isn't new. The factory jack on all MGBs was designed to do it and I often inadvertently do it even when I'm only going after one corner. Most modern unibodies are strong enough to lift either one entire side or the complete front and back by a single jacking point.

BTW, on live axle RWD cars, the differential is a standard and widely accepted jacking point. When I'm doing rear end work, I find it extremely convenient to get both rear wheels up at the same time.

Still, like both Ari and I said, get some jack stands before you even begin doing anything under the car. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I don't really even understand buying a floor jack before jack stands. If you need to lift the car, the factory scissor jack will do in a(tedious) pinch but you still need to put the car on stands before you get it under it.

BTW, I don't know how many times I've jacked a car, but about a year back the MG slipped off while I was jacking it by the differential. Thank goodness I was still taking it up and and hadn't actually done anything to to the car, but none the less it was still a wake-up call. I hadn't double checked to make sure the differential body was securely seated on the jack saddle. It was just a little reminder to me that accidents can happen in a second and it was doing something that I'd probably done 20 or 30 times previously.
 
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Camaro does not come with a jack from the factory. A jack is becoming a rarity in a new car these days. Let alone a spare tire! The SS 1LE and ZL1 come with a fix a flat and a cheap air pump since they don't have run flats.

Anyway, no need to convince me to get jack stands. I will get them. I know it is dangerous to leave the car resting on the floor jack. But I am still leaning towards those race ramps if I do my own oil changes.
 
Got any to recommend?
I use stands by Mac Tools. There's an American company called Jack's Point that makes quality more consumer range stuff, but built for professional use, meaning it can withstand a lot of abuse before failing. You can also buy universal rubber slip ons for the stands so there's more contact friction and not metal on metal. There's flat surface and there's ones that require the use of a slit stand. They sell rubbers for those, too. A set of rubbers should last a few years depending on how often you jack things up and the storage environment. Climate controlled garage or one that's well insulated will prolong the life of your rubbers and your tools. Cold and or high moisture will wreck havoc and high heat will shorten the life.
 
Got a paver pad installed in my back yard for the Mustang. Next I'll have a metal roof carport installed over that. It'll be one foot shorter than the fence, so ought to keep the car as well protected as I can ask for while keeping it outdoors.
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Oh man that's BEAUTIFUL! My first car was a 67 stand I bought for $1200 so my heart flutters overtime I see one driving down the road. So glad you're taking good care of her. Kudos!
 
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