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I love how they think I hate Tesla, even though we discuss quality issues from other brands all the time.
My hate for Tesla, if you could call it that, is them charging such a high price for alpha grade software and terrible fit and finish. Not to mention the subpar interior for a six figure vehicle. It's up there with luxury and performance brands charging an arm and a leg for Alcantara. Which is plastic. It's not nice and it's not sport or luxurious. It's alright to look at, and in a week, looks like a rabid dog that's been thrown up on. You then read comparisons like "It's nicer than an S Class," yeah if it's a 20+ year old model. What the hell are those people smoking? Even a B6 Audi looks nicer inside.

If the consensus was that a big screen makes everything "fancier," why not just stick a 28" 4K monitor in there? Oh, but what do we know. Sith Lord is going to come up with a faster and more efficient system than TPS. No wonder his father beat him and his brother when they were younger.
 
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Furthermore, whoever at MBZ thought that coupe SUVs should be made, should be dragged out back and shot.
Add the new/upcoming/concept Mercedes-Maybach GLS to this. The front-end looks as if it's suffered a prolapse.
 
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I am coming up on my 1 year of ownership of my 2017 Camaro SS and might as well fall in line with others posting their impressions after 1 year. :D

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I had wanted to own a pure RWD NA V8 car in my life time before CAFE/fuel prices/fuel economy regulations required the use of forced induction, hybrid systems, prices of these cars to shoot up higher than they already were, or a combination of all of these. The ideal vehicle that met all that for me was the Corvette. I always admired the 'Vette growing up and loved the C7 when it debuted. Alas though the one I would want was outside my comfort zone in budget. The 6th gen Camaro SS then caught my eye. The whole process started in May 2016 a few weeks after picking up my parents new 2016 Suburban and with a new car itch went back to test drive the new 6th gen Camaro SS and instantly fell in love with the car. I was not impressed with the 5th gen Camaro SS, but the 6th gen Camaro SS riding on the Alpha platform was a complete transformation compared to the 5th gen where you felt the weight of it and noticeable body roll when thrown in the corners. In July I went to test drive the 2016 Mustang GT both the automatic and stick with the performance pack to give the S550 a fair shot, but walked away unimpressed. Good cruiser car with sporty ability, but for me lacked the precise feeling the Camaro had. Would have loved to consider the GT350 as that Voodoo V8 sounds glorious, but again outside of my price range.

In November 2016, I went back for one final test drives of the Camaro to decide between stick and auto. Fortunate also had it the stick Camaro also lacked MagRide so I could also determine if MRC would be worth it. Long story short, while I loved the TR-6060 in the Camaro and had a complete blast driving it, rush hour gridlock killed any idea of getting the Camaro in the manual and MRC was worth it. Come January 28th, the car was ordered, February 27th it was built, March 20th delivered.

Almost one year to the day, 2,686 miles later, and I still completely love the car. My smile has not left my face every time I get in the car, press the start button, and hear the 455 HP 6.2 liter V8 start up and drive off. The torque of the LT1 is just insane and it just pulls and pulls. The dual mode exhaust makes the V8 sound freaking amazing when the valves are open and bypassing the muffler. When you back off the throttle when the engine is above 2500 RPM, you hear a nice crackle and popping as the engine winds down coming out of the exhaust. The car turns like it is on rails( with the stock OEM summer tires), the steering is precise, and tossing it around the corners is effortless. Body roll is kept to a minimum, changes direction quickly and it takes the corner with ease asking for another. It does not match your expectation of what a muscle/pony car would drive like( and why the 5th gen and Challenger failed to attract me). It drives like a sports car. The 8 speed automatic does a nice job of managing the power, always seems to be in the right gear for the power demanded, doesn't hunt, and shifts smoothly and quickly when left to its own accord. In manual mode, there is a slight delay between pull the paddle and it actually shifting, but not a huge deal as some reviews make it out to be and certainly not the worst I have experienced. It's an overall good transmission and reviews seem to trash it solely on the slight lag in shifting when in manual mode.

I like the interior just as much. I love the design of the dash, the HVAC controls are nicely lined up in one row, and I love the fact the boarder around the vents is what adjusts the temperature( Temp and fan speed in 1SS since it lacks dual zone, where my 2SS has dual zone). I love the steering wheel. At 3 and 9 positions, it is the most comfortable steering wheel I have ever used. I don't find myself wanting to take one hand off just to give it a "rest" sort of speak. It has a nice leather wrapping and it is just a joy to hold and turn when tossing the car in the corners. The materials used where you will touch it most often are good. The center arm rest, the door sills, the middle part of the dash, etc use soft touch material/faux leather. Yes the less likely areas to be touched are hard plastics like the top of the dash. What has always got to me a little bit is seeing Matt Farah just knock on the top of the dash to illustrate it is hard plastic( not bashing him, I like his content). Yes it makes the sound you expect hard plastic to make when knocked on. But when touched like a normal being would touch it, it is hard, but it has a nice smooth grain to it that doesn't make it feel cheap unlike the POS hard plastics GM used to use.


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The seats are comfortable and they reasonably hold you in place when you toss the car around. The leather again is of nice quality and they are ventilated and heated. In the summer the ventilation results in a nice cool breeze being blown on your back( once the AC starts blowing cold air). The heated seats are not as strong as I would have like it and takes a bit to warm up. The heated steering wheel on the other hand warms up quickly and is nice and toasty. :)

Yes there is very little storage space in the interior. It has a very small map pockets on the doors, the center console storage is pitiful, while the glove box is of decent size. Hasn't been an issue for me yet, but certainly a downside. And yes the visibility is also not the best, but again something that hasn't been an overall issue for me with properly adjusted side mirrors and the blind zone alert system. Yeah slightly annoying when #1 at a street light and I have to bend down to look if it has changed green yet. But overall, wouldn't give up the awesome look of the exterior profile to have more glass. AFM( Active Fuel Management or cylinder deactivation) has been a slight annoyance. Under light throttle under acceleration it will activate at a bad time( it's probably the automatics version of the famous 1-4 skipshift GM manuals are famous for :p ). You can also hear the AFM valves in the exhaust( which reduces the droning while in 4 cylinder mode) open and close.

So far the only quality issue I have had with the car was the headliner starting to sag by the rear window and got it replaced under warranty. It still isn't perfect( still some sag), but it looks a lot better when looking at the rear from the outside and frankly don't want to screw it up any further. Back in June of 2017 at 4 am in the morning driving to work, had egg fall on the hood of the car which sadly caused some impact scratches( who knows if it was a bird nest that gave out or some jerk in a tree). That lead me to get a ceramic coating done to the car which to my surprise hides the damage really well( can only see it at certain angles). Then in November 2017, I discovered mice also liked my car and chewed up the hood insulation to make a nest under the hood. The hood insulation and not yet been replaced, there are no signs of a new nest being built, and the traps have killed about 8-10 mice so far. Though I am still finding mouse poop under the hood occasionally, but again no signs of further damage or a new nest. But still unsettling I am still having mice wonder in the car.

As you can tell in the review, I am still in love with my Camaro. I can't wait until April where I will be able to put the summer tires back on the car and get that grip and look back( too much sidewall with my winter setup :D). And I also look forward to doing my own oil change with it. Do I have any regrets? Well not with the car itself, but I do wish now I would have widened the cars I would have test driven. I wish I would have test driven the SS sedan and Challenger Scat Pack at the very least. Maybe test drive the C7 to see if I could have gotten myself to accept buying a used one. The car has not been driven much over the winter. Not afraid of driving it in the snow, but getting the salt off the paint and the lack of opportunity to wash the car quick enough to get the salt off. So it has only been driven on days after a rain shower came through washing the salt off the road and has dried off. Hence the search for a second car has begun, but not in any rush due to my parents being kind to give me access to their cars in the winter.

Overall the Camaro SS gets a 99/100 on the quagmire score. Almost a perfect car IMHO, but like every car out there does have some drawbacks, but the positives by far outweight the negatives and don't bring my score down more than 1 point off( ok maybe I am biased, sue me :) ).
 
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Good write-up. For your mouse poop issues, I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it, but if you use Spectracide bug spray (stick with me here) they seem to avoid the lingering scent even though we can't smell it a few days later. After a bay detail, I spray the engine bays down with it protecting what can't be sprayed, and I don't see any critter poop or whatever that used to be there. I'm not sure what's in it, but animals of all kinds tend to really hate the smell. It's fairly weather fast, too. I spray it near our front lawn alongside the sidewalk so animals like deer don't decide to decorate it at night or early morning.

Assuming that picture is recent, I'm really impressed you haven't had to use your bumper skid when going up steep driveways or roads. It's really no wonder a lot of dealers around here, regardless of the marque, offer constant non-advertised specials on those. They're easy as pie to swap out.

Glad you like the car.


I know you're a commercial pilot and might still be paying off your loans, but if you can find a use, I highly recommend the Metro Vac line of products when it comes to drying off your car. The last few times I've washed our vehicles, I've used it instead of microfiber towels and not only is it quicker, but it gets rid of water that's "hidden" in crevices. Just wear ear protection.

I've used it more and more this year (well, 2017, too) and it's saved me a few hours in drying and probably time from the yearly paint correction. It is expensive, but sometimes third party companies such as AutoGeek run specials. Otherwise, it's around half a grand. Not cheap at all. Though you could buy one second hand. They're fairly simple machines and built well. They're also made in the USA, so you know it's not going to break down. I've been using a variety of their products for years and have never suffered a fault. Great stuff.
 
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Good write-up. For your mouse poop issues, I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it, but if you use Spectracide bug spray (stick with me here) they seem to avoid the lingering scent even though we can't smell it a few days later. After a bay detail, I spray the engine bays down with it protecting what can't be sprayed, and I don't see any critter poop or whatever that used to be there. I'm not sure what's in it, but animals of all kinds tend to really hate the smell. It's fairly weather fast, too. I spray it near our front lawn alongside the sidewalk so animals like deer don't decide to decorate it at night or early morning.

Do you have a favorite brand to use? Doesn't corrode/eat away at the wiring harness and hoses? How long does it last before having to spray it down again?

Assuming that picture is recent, I'm really impressed you haven't had to use your bumper skid when going up steep driveways or roads. It's really no wonder a lot of dealers around here, regardless of the marque, offer constant non-advertised specials on those. They're easy as pie to swap out.

Yeah that picture was taken yesterday. I am still in overly protection mode with the car. If I am going some where there is a decent chance of some jerk to bang into my car, steep driveways, etc I ask my parents to take one of their cars which again have been kind enough to allow me to do so. I discovered there is a track just 1.5 hours away from me, but due to being in that overly protection mode I don't want to subject it to flying rocks( or subject the powertrain to the abuse track days cause) because as stated I want this car to be a long term vehicle. Also don't want to be spending a lot of money on new tires. :) I am sure my overly protection mode will go away and as my disposable income increases in the next few years, I will be ready to do track days with it.


I know you're a commercial pilot and might still be paying off your loans, but if you can find a use, I highly recommend the Metro Vac line of products when it comes to drying off your car. The last few times I've washed our vehicles, I've used it instead of microfiber towels and not only is it quicker, but it gets rid of water that's "hidden" in crevices. Just wear ear protection.

I've used it more and more this year (well, 2017, too) and it's saved me a few hours in drying and probably time from the yearly paint correction. It is expensive, but sometimes third party companies such as AutoGeek run specials. Otherwise, it's around half a grand. Not cheap at all. Though you could buy one second hand. They're fairly simple machines and built well. They're also made in the USA, so you know it's not going to break down. I've been using a variety of their products for years and have never suffered a fault. Great stuff.

I have always considered getting something like this or use a leaf blower to blow dry the car since even microfiber clothes can cause microscratches/swirls over time. But my main worry with that is since my driveway is gravel is inadvertently blowing rocks into the car drying it.
 
Do you have a favorite brand to use? Doesn't corrode/eat away at the wiring harness and hoses? How long does it last before having to spray it down again?

The name is in what you quoted, bud. It shouldn't corrode any exposed terminals. I can't say it's caused issues with rubber hosing or whatnot, but I tend to block those off regardless of what I'm spraying and would rather wipe them down with water. Spraying near the wheel wells should help a lot since mice will go up that way.

The label says once a year on my container. I sprayed last year and haven't had problems.

Yeah that picture was taken yesterday. I am still in overly protection mode with the car. If I am going some where where there is a decent chance of some jerk to bang into my car, steep driveways, etc I ask my parents to take one of their cars which again have been kind enough to allow me to do so. I discovered there is a track just 1.5 hours away from me, but due to being in that overly protection mode I don't want to subject it to flying rocks( or subject the powertrain to the abuse track days cause) because as stated I want this car to be a long term vehicle. Also don't want to be spending a lot of money on new tires. :) I am sure my overly protection mode will go away and as my disposable income increases in the next few years, I will be ready to do track days with it.

Summit Point, which is far away from you, might be to your liking. There is this one raceway I came across a year ago that's in your general region called Palmer Motorsports. I haven't been out there myself and have only seen videos. The road course is definitely different and enticing. I suggest checking it out.
I have always considered getting something like this or use a leaf blower to blow dry the car since even microfiber clothes can cause microscratches/swirls over time. But my main worry with that is since my driveway is gravel is inadvertently blowing rocks into the car drying it.

The MV has a filter in the intake area. Most of their products do. You can also leave it hanging on a wall and use their extension hoses to get around. A leaf blower, electric at that, causes too much dust and debris to fly around. The MV has a nozzle you use. There's a few videos on YouTube you can check out.
 
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Literally in what you quoted, bud. It shouldn't corrode any exposed terminals. I can't say it's caused issues with rubber hosing or whatnot, but I tend to block those off regardless of what I'm spraying and would rather wipe them down with water. Spraying near the wheel wells should help a lot since mice will go up that way.

The label says once a year on my container. I sprayed last year and haven't had problems.

Doh, sorry didn't make the connection. Was thinking it was a generic type of repellent. But thanks for the advice. Will look into it.


Summit Point, which is far away from you, might be to your liking. There is this one raceway I came across a year ago that's in your general region called Palmer Motorsports. I haven't been out there myself and have only seen videos. The road course is definitely different and enticing. I suggest checking it out.

Summit Point was the one I was referencing. It's a ~1.5 hour drive which isn't bad. GM also with ExxonMobil is switching the Corvette( and I will assume the Camaro once the 2019MY info comes out since they use the same engines) to a special formula 0W40 synthetic oil that is more friendly for street and track use( but 15W50 still being the ideal track oil). So wouldn't exactly have to worry too much about having track oil in the car while driving to the track.

Right now I need to increase my disposable income in order to be spending $1300 for new tires more often due to the increased wear from track days.


The MV has a filter in the intake area. Most of their products do. You can also leave it hanging on a wall and use their extension hoses to get around. A leaf blower, electric at that, causes too much dust and debris to fly around. The MV has a nozzle you use. There's a few videos on YouTube you can check out.

I was actually thinking about when I am pointing the wand at the car trying to dry the lower panels of the car near the ground where I would inadvertently blow the rocks onto the car.
 
Doh, sorry didn't make the connection. Was thinking it was a generic type of repellent. But thanks for the advice. Will look into it.

Oh. It isn't the most interesting name.

Summit Point was the one I was referencing. It's a ~1.5 hour drive which isn't bad. GM also with ExxonMobil is switching the Corvette( and I will assume the Camaro once the 2019MY info comes out since they use the same engines) to a special formula 0W40 synthetic oil that is more friendly for street and track use( but 15W50 still being the ideal track oil). So wouldn't exactly have to worry too much about having track oil in the car while driving to the track.

0W40 is used in a lot of European cars. It's no surprise Chevy and other domestics are beginning to use it. The new high end oil for econo cars is the 0W16 stuff the Japanese have been using for about 20 years. A bit pricey now but it should get cheaper in 2-3 years. I'm surprised Palmer isn't on your go-to list. Is it farther than Summit Point?

I was actually thinking about when I am pointing the wand at the car trying to dry the lower panels of the car near the ground where I would inadvertently blow the rocks onto the car.

I can see that happening. I tend to use a blower on our immediate driveway so I don't have that problem. Though a wet ground keeps things stuck to it. Sweeping before washing will work, too. Though I can't say I've ever experienced a pebble missile before.

I actually dried out my car when I got home today. Rare day to go into work on a Friday. Only to walk outside two hours later to rain. Go figure.
 
0W40 is used in a lot of European cars. It's no surprise Chevy and other domestics are beginning to use it. The new high end oil for econo cars is the 0W16 stuff the Japanese have been using for about 20 years. A bit pricey now but it should get cheaper in 2-3 years. I'm surprised Palmer isn't on your go-to list. Is it farther than Summit Point?

Palmer is all the way up in MA. I am mid-atlantic area. Summit is way closer. :)
 
New murky Image of 2019 Shelby GT500 Leaked. Looks like they’re using the 2015–2017 headlights, has wider fenders and they relocated the cobra symbol to the middle grill versus being offset.

Curious if Ford will supercharge or turbo charge this new GT500 boasting 700 Plus HP. Undoubtedly this is to be in competition with the Challenger Hellcat. Price tag estimate somewhere $75-$80,000 allegedly. 2019 will be an interesting year for Ford, considering in 2020 the first Mustang Hybrid is expected to be announced/possibly launch.

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Very Audi-esque grille.

First time I'm hearing of a Mustang hybrid. Wonder what that will be like. Could a manufacturer engineer for some of that immediate hybrid power to be used on a hard launch, delivering a significant amount of torque before the engine kicks in at its optimal power band?

There is that rumor that FCA will bring back a modern PT Cruiser. Though that rumor is a few years old.
 
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Summit Point was the one I was referencing. It's a ~1.5 hour drive which isn't bad. GM also with ExxonMobil is switching the Corvette( and I will assume the Camaro once the 2019MY info comes out since they use the same engines) to a special formula 0W40 synthetic oil that is more friendly for street and track use( but 15W50 still being the ideal track oil). So wouldn't exactly have to worry too much about having track oil in the car while driving to the track.

You don't have to worry about any of that, I've run HPDE events for decades, different cars, from a Z06 with under 1000 miles on it, with the original factory oil, to a Supra loaded up with 110 VP, running 27PSI (generating all sorts of crazy thermals), and I've never had an issue with "street oil vs. track oil". Trust me, you're not going to run hard enough, long enough - especially on street tires in a street car - to stress things that much.

Yep, I even ran Summit for the Corvette Challenge :) I have a photo/cert up in my gear/server closet :D


New murky Image of 2019 Shelby GT500 Leaked. Looks like they’re using the 2015–2017 headlights, has wider fenders and they relocated the cobra symbol to the middle grill versus being offset.

Curious if Ford will supercharge or turbo charge this new GT500 boasting 700 Plus HP. Undoubtedly this is to be in competition with the Challenger Hellcat. Price tag estimate somewhere $75-$80,000 allegedly. 2019 will be an interesting year for Ford, considering in 2020 the first Mustang Hybrid is expected to be announced/possibly launch.

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That's a rendering from internal design, our "connection" from the drive train group says, "Things may still change". The car is being staged as a 2020 release (and yet another year for the GT350 to "fill the gap"), current tech documents being circulated indicate a 5.2L CPC supercharged, the big tech news being it will be offered in one transmission: a DCT. That's super exciting, as a DCT is really the best of both worlds. If you've never driven a modern implementation, I can tell you as a long time manual advocate, I would switch - and I'd never say that about a [traditional] automatic.
 
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DCT you say? Refreshing and absolutely unexpected direction from Ford. It does make sense given the rumored power output. Curious to know if DCT will make it down the line. Hopefully it isn't anything like the Getrag units that Ford uses in their econo cars. People easily cast off PowerShift but are surprised to see the name attached to the GT, for example. From what I've read, the Getrags in the econo cars suck.
 
You don't have to worry about any of that, I've run HPDE events for decades, different cars, from a Z06 with under 1000 miles on it, with the original factory oil, to a Supra loaded up with 110 VP, running 27PSI (generating all sorts of crazy thermals), and I've never had an issue with "street oil vs. track oil". Trust me, you're not going to run hard enough, long enough - especially on street tires in a street car - to stress things that much.

Yep, I even ran Summit for the Corvette Challenge :) I have a photo/cert up in my gear/server closet :D

That's good to know. But still for warranty protection, I would want to use GM's recommended oil for track days. So it's good they are switching to that 0W40 for the ability to use it on the street and track. :)
 
... still for warranty protection, I would want to use GM's recommended oil for track days. So it's good they are switching to that 0W40 for the ability to use it on the street and track. :)
-good to here someone here is enjoying their car. dont put anything on the track test tune you cant afford to loose. auto x may be safer. Street and track dont mix well but do what you want. avoid the Sunday morning canyon runs. Keep your activity slightly under the table.
-your auto x or track experience has many limitations before its an oil issue. tires, brake fluid/pads/lines so play as you must. Use any oil plugs described in the owners manual initially. change your filter & oil after every event?
 
I found the image/article off of “Car and Driver”. The article was published two days ago labeling it the 2019, this new GT500 has my interest piqued to say the least, albeit the price point is the largest uncertainty.

https://blog.caranddriver.com/mean-mug-ford-unmasks-face-of-the-2019-shelby-gt500/

I couldn’t see Ford using a TwinTurbo set up, but then again I didn’t expect them Implement that into the Ford GT and that surprised me. But given the history with a supercharger and the Mustang GT500, it seems like its more appropriate if it’s producing over 700 HP, competing against the Hellcats power plant.

And no, I Have never experienced/driven any vehicles with a Dual clutch transmission before.
 
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-good to here someone here is enjoying their car. dont put anything on the track test tune you cant afford to loose. auto x may be safer. Street and track dont mix well but do what you want. avoid the Sunday morning canyon runs. Keep your activity slightly under the table.
-your auto x or track experience has many limitations before its an oil issue. tires, brake fluid/pads/lines so play as you must. Use any oil plugs described in the owners manual initially. change your filter & oil after every event?

Solid post.

Black bold: yep, even with the number of events I've run, I can count serious mishaps on one hand - but they do happen, and you are running a street car, insured for a certain type of use, maybe with a loan backing it.

Red bold: exactly, per my post above, and even if the OEM stuff is decent, it's a cost factor for an event. I'd say you're going to see 1000s of miles of "wear equivalency", probably some serious asymmetric tire wear (unless you're running an aggressive alignment), factor in a set of pads, a set of rotors (buy cheap, burn them in a weekend, replace).

My worst "pucker moment" was at Sebring, turn 17, big fast, rear got loose - the problem is the north side _wall_ (that has all sort of beautiful colors marking the cars it's eaten). I rolled into the throttle even more, drifted right up to, well, I don't know how close, but I could *feel* the wall. o_O Didn't pit, did another lap at 5/10ths, parked for a moment of clarity :D
 
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-good to here someone here is enjoying their car. dont put anything on the track test tune you cant afford to loose. auto x may be safer. Street and track dont mix well but do what you want. avoid the Sunday morning canyon runs. Keep your activity slightly under the table.
-your auto x or track experience has many limitations before its an oil issue. tires, brake fluid/pads/lines so play as you must. Use any oil plugs described in the owners manual initially. change your filter & oil after every event?

For the track, I’d say to be ready to change the brake fluid both before and after the event. Pads can get smoked, too, as can tires.

But if the intent is to go have fun and not beat on the car in pursuit of quick lap times, then backing off at the first sign of brake fade, plus not making the tires cry out in pain, can save a lot of maintenance effort.
 
Thanks for all the advice on track prep with the car. Like I said, not even close to being ready for tracking yet. Don't have the disposable income yet to deal with all the high wear rates track days will cause to wear out faster( brakes, tires, etc).
 
As someone else alluded to, brake fluid, brake pads and changing the oil would likely be crucial after multiple Track days (Or in between). Then again, I’m not someone that really wants to track my cars, as I just enjoy the performance side of it driving into the countryside or back roads. In my city, we have one major cross track and I was actually surprised how much wear and tear really does occur on a performance car in terms of what you can spend on maintenance costs post track events. In retrospect, someone driving a Nissan GT-R or Dodge Demon, they likely have no problem spending the necessities to keep the car peforming optimally if they are tracking regularly or for competition purposes.
 
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As someone else alluded to, brake fluid, brake pads and changing the oil would likely be crucial after multiple Track days (Or in between). Then again, I’m not someone that really wants to track my cars, as I just enjoy the performance side of it driving into the countryside or back roads. In my city, we have one major cross track and I was actually surprised how much wear and tear really does occur on a performance car in terms of what you can spend on maintenance costs post track events. In retrospect, someone driving a Nissan GT-R or Dodge Demon, they likely have no problem spending the necessities to keep the car peforming optimally if they are tracking regularly or for competition purposes.

I am somewhat the same way. I am not out to go all out and get the best the Camaro is capable of. So yeah I won't be driving it that hard to where the tires are squealing when they are at their limit, etc. I just want to be able to floor the car, hit triple digits in the straight, and have fun going around the corners where it is safe to do so vs the street.
 
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