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cube said:
Negative. Opel was owned by GM and used GM platforms, so it was largely American, and these models are still sold today.

Volvo is mainly designed in Sweden, but I think they now use Chinese parts too. Some model is made in China (I think exclusively). As it would be, given that it is Chinese-owned.

I won't answer the rest. Your post is an opinion.
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Someone said Fiat is not British, which cannot be affirmed 100%.
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You're 100% wrong. A brand's heritage is its heritage. Your argument is shallow in every sense of the word. You also don't seem to understand the difference between a holding company and an auto manufacturer.

A brand's nationality is based on where it was founded, not where it moved for tax purposes or who bought them.

For instance, a headline would say "Tata bought British Company Land Rover".

But good job derailing a perfectly good thread with your blithering.

Your homework is to go find out
  1. What a holding company is
  2. What automakers provide of value (hint: it's not "Chinese parts". They design, sell, and manufacture cars)
  3. Where these companies are from.

It DOES NOT matter who OWNS a company. The COMPANY is from WHICHEVER country it started in. It's NOT an opinion. This is FACT.
 
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bunnspecial said:
What does any of this have to do with a Fiat made in 1982?
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Nothing, I never talked about that.
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AustinIllini said:
You're 100% wrong. A brand's heritage is its heritage. Your argument is shallow in every sense of the word. You also don't seem to understand the difference between a holding company and an auto manufacturer.

A brand's nationality is based on where it was founded, not where it moved for tax purposes or who bought them.

For instance, a headline would say "Tata bought British Company Land Rover".

But good job derailing a perfectly good thread with your blithering.

Your homework is to go find out
  1. What a holding company is
  2. What automakers provide of value (hint: it's not "Chinese parts". They design, sell, and manufacture cars)
  3. Where these companies are from.

It DOES NOT matter who OWNS a company. The COMPANY is from WHICHEVER country it started in. It's NOT an opinion. This is FACT.
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MG moved completely to China. Is it still British?

Saab cars moved completely to China (without the brand). Is it still Swedish?

Are Ford Europe cars American or European?
 
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bunnspecial said:
This entire line of inane discussion arose over the country of origin of that particular Spider.

I don't think I'm alone in not having the first clue what point you're trying to make here.
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I was responding to a subsequent post. That's how conversations flow.
 
And I did not even mention the case when a model is made in several countries. I only pointed out some of those where there is an exclusive foreign source.
 
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According to the Los Angeles Auto Show web page, Toyota is debuting a new model at the 2018 show. That could be the show where the 2020 Corolla sedan is officially unveiled. It'll probably be offered with two engines: the 1.8-liter 2ZR-FAE from the Scion iM/Toyota Corolla iM (138 bhp) and the 2.0-liter M20A-MKS engine from the Toyota Corolla Hatchback (168 bhp).
 
cube said:
Nothing, I never talked about that.
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MG moved completely to China. Is it still British?

Saab cars moved completely to China (without the brand). Is it still Swedish?

Are Ford Europe cars American or European?
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Yes. Yes. American.
 
If Ford Europe cars were American, they would not be some of the most popular there.
 
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SactoGuy18 said:
It'll probably be offered with two engines: the 1.8-liter 2ZR-FAE from the Scion iM/Toyota Corolla iM (138 bhp) and the 2.0-liter M20A-MKS engine from the Toyota Corolla Hatchback (168 bhp).
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The 1.8L has been the standard for years, I can recall when I purchased a new 2009 Black Corolla for a ‘Commuter car’ strictly because I wanted the fuel-efficiency for a 40 minute car ride daily at the time. The 1.8 Surprisingly is a stout little engine that handles the curb weight at approximately 2800lbs. Now having much larger cars in my line up, I could never go back to the Corolla, but still a great buy [And slightly cheaper] in comparison to the Civic, two Staples for both Honda and Toyota.
 
A bad car cleaning day.
First of all my Karcher pressure washer dies on me.

Then I discover the car dying towel I use was washed with Mrs AFB’s dusters. So my car is covered in fibres. Grrrrrr.
 
Apple fanboy said:
A bad car cleaning day.
First of all my Karcher pressure washer dies on me.

Then I discover the car dying towel I use was washed with Mrs AFB’s dusters. So my car is covered in fibres. Grrrrrr.
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How old is your Karcher? Warranty? They are a fairly reputable company with German quality.

I have a ‘Sun Joe’ electric SPX300 that I use for quick rinses and cleaning the siding of the house. Solid, all around (Lightweight) pressure washer. The attachments are quality and quick to interchange. Amazon sells one ($150.00) if you are seeking a possible replacement if you’re Karcher cannot be repaired/replaced.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CPGMUXW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yR1YBb7EK75CG
 
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cube said:
If Ford Europe cars were American, they would not be some of the most popular there.
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That is the most inane and illogical thing I've ever heard.

Cars tend to be popular on the mass market for being affordable, reliable, and fuel efficient. That's the same reason Japanese cars took off like crazy in the US in the 1980s.

Yes, most mass market Japanese cars sold in the US are made here, but that doesn't change the fact that the design, engineering, manufacturing philosophies(that is one reason why they continue to be a run-a-way success) and profits are from Japan.

Along those same lines, my Lincoln was built in Mexico. It's a model that's only sold in the US, was designed in America, and built to American tastes. Are you, in your infinite wisdom, saying it's NOT an American car?

BTW, the seats in my Lincoln are covered in Bridge of Weir leather-an English product? Does that make it British?
 
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Relentless Power said:
How old is your Karcher? Warranty? They are a fairly reputable company with German quality.

I have a ‘Sun Joe’ electric SPX300 that I use for quick rinses and cleaning the siding of the house. Solid, all around (Lightweight) pressure washer. The attachments are quality and quick to interchange. Amazon sells one ($150.00) if you are seeking a possible replacement if you’re Karcher cannot be repaired/replaced.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CPGMUXW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yR1YBb7EK75CG
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It’s a few years old. I’ll switch out the hose with the one from the garden just to check it’s broken. It’s making a loud noise with very little water coming through.
 
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bunnspecial said:
That is the most inane and illogical thing I've ever heard.

Cars tend to be popular on the mass market for being affordable, reliable, and fuel efficient. That's the same reason Japanese cars took off like crazy in the US in the 1980s.

Yes, most mass market Japanese cars sold in the US are made here, but that doesn't change the fact that the design, engineering, manufacturing philosophies(that is one reason why they continue to be a run-a-way success) and profits are from Japan.

Along those same lines, my Lincoln was built in Mexico. It's a model that's only sold in the US, was designed in America, and built to American tastes. Are you, in your infinite wisdom, saying it's NOT an American car?

BTW, the seats in my Lincoln are covered in Bridge of Weir leather-an English product? Does that make it British?
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Ford Europe cars are designed are engineered in Europe (except junk like the EcoSport and Focus Active).
 
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cube said:
Ford Europe cars are designed are engineered in Europe (except junk like the Ecosport and Focus Active).
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It’s still considered an American car. A lot of Volvos are built in Belgium, they’re still considered Swedish. Mercedes builds cars such as the G-class in Austria, they’re still considered German cars. VW has built cars in Mexico for years and no one has ever called them Mexican cars.

Even if you take a Chevy or Ford made in the US, a substantial percentage of its parts will be sourced from outside the US.
 
A.Goldberg said:
It’s still considered an American car. A lot of Volvos are built in Belgium, they’re still considered Swedish. Mercedes builds cars such as the G-class in Austria, they’re still considered German cars. VW has built cars in Mexico for years and no one has ever called them Mexican cars.

Even if you take a Chevy or Ford made in the US, a substantial percentage of its parts will be sourced from outside the US.
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Did you read what I wrote?
 
A.Goldberg said:
Yes, that Ford’s are not American...
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I did not write that Ford's are not American, I said that true Ford Europe cars cannot be really considered American.

Opel was not really German nor American. Ford Europe is likely more European than that.
 
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