The Car Thread ... !

[A.Goldberg]

Because 40% is a lot. It is irrelevant that it is not most, and the fact that the figure comes from a source promoting that it does not matter makes it more believable.

So what is your point, it does matter or it doesn’t? I already mentioned how your summary doesn’t accurately make a a clear point as to how one can interpret that comment. You have not provided a link to the source.

You have an awful lot of commentary on american culture for someone who doesn’t live here, and for all I know who has never been here.

 

[cube]

So what is your point, it does matter or it doesn’t? I already mentioned how your summary doesn’t accurately make a a clear point as to how one can interpret that comment. You have not provided a link to the source.

You have an awful lot of commentary on american culture for someone who doesn’t live here, and for all I know who has never been here.

Origin seems to matter to many people in the US, so you should not attack foreigners because it also matters to them.

 

[A.Goldberg]

Origin seems to matter to many people in the US, so you should not attack foreigners because it also matters to them.

What is your evidence for that?

I haven’t “attacked” foreigners or anyone for that matter.

 

[cube]

What is your evidence for that?

I haven’t “attacked” foreigners or anyone for that matter.

Look at your country for evidence.

You have been constantly mobbing me with some others in this thread.

 

[Juicy Box]

All I know is don’t ask Scotty Kilmer about Chrysler if you like them.

The guy has a major hard on for Toyota’s and hates pretty much everything else.

I think he like the overall reliability of Toyota cars. From a professional mechanic's POV that works on a broad range of vehicles, I am sure he makes a mental note of problematic brands and ones that stand out as being a lot less problematic.

I did see one of his videos stating that he thinks Honda makes the best motor of the common car brands out there, but he has said many times that he thinks overall Toyota makes the best cars. Again, I think this is overall reliability and cost to own, not other attributes like power or performance.

I don't always agree with what Scotty has to say, but I agree with him about Toyotas. But, I will add that I think that Toyota currently has a pretty boring line up when compared to most other brands.

I can't stand that guy. Then again I think most vloggers are annoying individuals.

He does seem to be a little obnoxious, and his voice is a little strange. Whenever I watch his videos and my wife is around, she ask questions like "what is wrong with that guy".

I like his videos, but I often disagree with what he has to say.

 

[vipergts2207]

Well the $35k Model 3 didn't last very long.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/business/tesla-model-3.html

 

[AustinIllini]

Well the $35k Model 3 didn't last very long.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/business/tesla-model-3.html

They can't afford to sell them.

Here's what will happen: meet Bill

1. Bill wants a Tesla model 3. His budget is $28,000 USD.
2. Bill won't be able to buy a Model 3 on Tesla's website
3. Bill will call to order the $35,000 Model 3
4. Bill will get a representative (read: salesman) who will try to upsell him and make it difficult to get the car he wants
5. Bill will get the car that costs $40,000 plus or won't get a tesla
6. Bill will realize he only qualifies for a rebate of $1000 because he only owes that in Taxes

Oh, and by the way, now Tesla is calling Bill every day, particularly if he doesn't buy the car. Is this better than a dealership? No, it's a phone dealership.

Heck, at least if you got to a dealership, you get to test drive a car.
[doublepost=1555100987][/doublepost]Also, why are they not offering to sell the leased cars to the current owner? That's usually an amazing deal for an automaker.

 

[vipergts2207]

They can't afford to sell them.

Here's what will happen: meet Bill

1. Bill wants a Tesla model 3. His budget is $28,000 USD.
2. Bill won't be able to buy a Model 3 on Tesla's website
3. Bill will call to order the $35,000 Model 3
4. Bill will get a representative (read: salesman) who will try to upsell him and make it difficult to get the car he wants
5. Bill will get the car that costs $40,000 plus or won't get a tesla
6. Bill will realize he only qualifies for a rebate of $1000 because he only owes that in Taxes

Oh, and by the way, now Tesla is calling Bill every day, particularly if he doesn't buy the car. Is this better than a dealership? No, it's a phone dealership.

Heck, at least if you got to a dealership, you get to test drive a car.
[doublepost=1555100987][/doublepost]Also, why are they not offering to sell the leased cars to the current owner? That's usually an amazing deal for an automaker.

Apparently they want them to put into a fleet of self-driving cars.

 

[AustinIllini]

Apparently they want them to put into a fleet of self-driving cars.

The apologists are out in full force on PRSI.

 

[A.Goldberg]

Look at your country for evidence.

You have been constantly mobbing me with some others in this thread.

No, pretty much everyone here that’s American (from very different places of the country fwiw) has been telling you your black and white rigid thinking is not representative of our experience here.

 

[cube]

No, pretty much everyone here that’s American (from very different places of the country fwiw) has been telling you your black and white rigid thinking is not representative of our experience here.

I have CNN.

 

[bunnspecial]

No, pretty much everyone here that’s American (from very different places of the country fwiw) has been telling you your black and white rigid thinking is not representative of our experience here.

I'm amazed that as as Southern Baptist from Kentucky, I've been able to become good friends with a Jewish guy from the east coast.

BTW, those are pretty drastically different places and Ari and I have very different backgrounds. America is a big country and the thinking and attitudes can't be considered homogenous. A mainstream news outlet based out of NYC, DC, and LA misses a whole swath of attitudes of what's going on in the rest of the country.

 

[cube]

America is a big country and the thinking and attitudes can't be considered homogenous.

Exactly. So it should not be surprising if 40% of the country thinks differently to the view that is being tried to be imposed here.

 

[bunnspecial]

Exactly. So it should not be surprising if 40% of the country thinks differently to the view that is being tried to be imposed here.

There again, I think that your thinking on this is too constricted and far too black and white.

Even among the "loyal" 40%, my experience suggests that there are American loyalists, German loyalists, Swedish loyalists, and probably the single biggest chunk are Japanese loyalists.

There are plenty of other people who consider a car an appliance and will buy anything that reliably gets them from point A to point B. For people buying at the low end of the market, that often means older used American cars, which are inexpensive to buy and generally inexpensive to repair. For people who want reliability at all costs, the automatic choice is often Japanese, which has a reputation for running forever, albeit can hit you hard when something breaks. Increasingly, Korean cars are stretching to all ends of the market for a less expensive but still reliable alternative to Japanese. Many of the folks I know who own German cars buy them new or at least new enough to still be under warranty, since they're great when running but can hit HARD when they break.

Then I'm the weirdo with an English car(in addition to my American daily).

 

[cube]

Even among the "loyal" 40%, my experience suggests that there are American loyalists, German loyalists, Swedish loyalists, and probably the single biggest chunk are Japanese loyalists.

Yes.

The hard core want a car from an American brand made in the USA.

Some people want to buy an American brand. They don't care if it is made in Mexico.

Some people don't like American brands, but they want to buy an American-made car.

Some people want to buy a foreign car from the original country.

Some people want to buy the best car they can afford and they don't care where it is made.

 

[bunnspecial]

Yes.

The hard core want a car from an American brand made in the USA.

Some people want to buy an American brand. They don't care if it is made in Mexico.

Some people don't like American brands, but they want to buy an American-made car.

Some people want to buy a foreign car from the original country.

Some people want to buy the best car they can afford and they don't care where it is made.

Once again, you're showing that you really are seemingly clueless about how the car market in America actually works.

"best car regardless of where it's made" is a gross oversimplification-and what's "best" to one person may not be universally true.

I know plenty of people who are just as adamant about only buying Japanese, or often only one specific brand(Toyota and Honda are common choices) as I do die-hard American people. Even among that, you have folks who won't touch something unless it's a Ford or a Chevy or a MOPAR product. For a long time, a lot of our "official" cars(used to transport the governor, etc) here in Kentucky were Avalons. We're awfully proud of that one particular car, which for a long time was an exclusive product of TMMK despite being sold all over the world.

You can't get all of that from CNN...

 

[cube]

Once again, you're showing that you really are seemingly clueless about how the car market in America actually works.

"best car regardless of where it's made" is a gross oversimplification-and what's "best" to one person may not be universally true.

I know plenty of people who are just as adamant about only buying Japanese, or often only one specific brand(Toyota and Honda are common choices) as I do die-hard American people. Even among that, you have folks who won't touch something unless it's a Ford or a Chevy or a MOPAR product. For a long time, a lot of our "official" cars(used to transport the governor, etc) here in Kentucky were Avalons. We're awfully proud of that one particular car, which for a long time was an exclusive product of TMMK despite being sold all over the world.

You can't get all of that from CNN...

OK, "best from anywhere except China", etc.

I did not say there was a universal definition of best.

If you're loyal to a specific brand it is a subcase of the above, etc.

I don't get car news from CNN.

 

[0388631]

I'm amazed that as as Southern Baptist from Kentucky, I've been able to become good friends with a Jewish guy from the east coast.

Don't be? I've got quite a few southern Baptist friends myself. I'm neither Jewish or religious anymore. I guess if you're open to people and not a dick, then there's no reason you can't get along.

 

[Apple fanboy]

There again, I think that your thinking on this is too constricted and far too black and white.

Even among the "loyal" 40%, my experience suggests that there are American loyalists, German loyalists, Swedish loyalists, and probably the single biggest chunk are Japanese loyalists.

There are plenty of other people who consider a car an appliance and will buy anything that reliably gets them from point A to point B. For people buying at the low end of the market, that often means older used American cars, which are inexpensive to buy and generally inexpensive to repair. For people who want reliability at all costs, the automatic choice is often Japanese, which has a reputation for running forever, albeit can hit you hard when something breaks. Increasingly, Korean cars are stretching to all ends of the market for a less expensive but still reliable alternative to Japanese. Many of the folks I know who own German cars buy them new or at least new enough to still be under warranty, since they're great when running but can hit HARD when they break.

Then I'm the weirdo with an English car(in addition to my American daily).

You don’t own an English car. It’s an English Classic!

Actually funny thing is I think I’ve always heard them described as British rather than English.

Most people I see are leasing cars these days. You get new and you have fixed costs.

But not really something I’ve considered. I tend to keep my car for longer than most and I hate borrowing money.

 

[A.Goldberg]

Yes.

The hard core want a car from an American brand made in the USA.

Some people want to buy an American brand. They don't care if it is made in Mexico.

Some people don't like American brands, but they want to buy an American-made car.

Some people want to buy a foreign car from the original country.

Some people want to buy the best car they can afford and they don't care where it is made.

You do realize that 10 years ago our “big 3” almost failed, largely because Americans weren’t buying American cars. When the government instituted the abomination that was Cash for Clunkers, the majority of cars purchased with the credit were Asian brands.

In a lot, probably most, of the country there’s a lot more loyalty to Japanese and European brands than American. Your statistic does not denote what country Americans prefer. For example, one of of my grandfathers, a Holocaust survivor, refused to buy a German, Japanese, or Ford product- he always had a Cadillac or Jaguar. My other grandfather has only owned Mercedes for the past 30+ years because he thought they were superior cars.

 

[cube]

You do realize that 10 years ago our “big 3” almost failed, largely because Americans weren’t buying American cars. When the government instituted the abomination that was Cash for Clunkers, the majority of cars purchased with the credit were Asian brands.

In a lot, probably most, of the country there’s a lot more loyalty to Japanese and European brands than American. Your statistic does not denote what country Americans prefer. For example, one of of my grandfathers, a Holocaust survivor, refused to buy a German, Japanese, or Ford product- he always had a Cadillac or Jaguar. My other grandfather has only owned Mercedes for the past 30+ years because he thought they were superior cars.

For my argument, it only matters that they have whatever origin preference. And it does not matter where the brand is from.

 

[bunnspecial]

Don't be? I've got quite a few southern Baptist friends myself. I'm neither Jewish or religious anymore. I guess if you're open to people and not a dick, then there's no reason you can't get along.

That was more an attempt at humor. I interact with people daily from quite literally all corners of the globe and of many backgrounds, and consider many of them good friends.

I was more making the point that Americans don't think as a homogenous unit.

 

[realtuner]

I liked the design of the PT Cruiser and Crossfire, but I would never buy a car engineered in the US.

I’m an automotive engineer and the only opinion I can offer after reading your posts is you don’t know a damn thing about automotive engineering.

 

[cube]

I’m an automotive engineer and the only opinion I can offer after reading your posts is you don’t know a damn thing about automotive engineering.

I don't care knowing about car mechanics. I care that designs have different focus in Europe and the US. I know that Ford Europe cars are not purely European.

And shouldn't I trust the many Americans that dumped American brands?

 

[realtuner]

I don't care knowing about car mechanics. I care that designs have different focus in Europe and the US. I know that Ford Europe cars are not purely European.

I said engineering, not mechanics. Your original post mentioned “engineered in the U.S.”