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That looks way better.Awesome. Vert incoming.This will make my decision even easier moving forward. (That is, when I get My Hands on one. 😁)
Chevy Just Revealed the Mid-Engine Corvette Convertible
The convertible gets a power-folding hard top—watch it work.www.caranddriver.com
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Awesome. Vert incoming.)
Chevy Just Revealed the Mid-Engine Corvette Convertible
The convertible gets a power-folding hard top—watch it work.
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)Did Chevy nick the schematics off Ferrari?
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I think it looks horrible in that pic above - proportions are all wrong, backend is too high (the actual rear end design is baffling), it definitely needs to be lower[ed], better wheels, the right package/trim/color, etc.
FWIW, a convertible with a decent trim package, say 2LT (mid-tier), the Z51 option (I'd say, almost a "must have"), a couple of other small options, you're looking at ~$93K OTD, now you're starting to get into some CPO P-car territory (and while the C8 might outperform some low-mid models, the ownership experience is vastly different). Of course, after this initial rush, they'll be discounting them if not the 2nd year, by the 3rd.
Honestly, if someone wants one (a Coupe), there's literally hundreds of order slots still available at MSRP (according to people ITK I still chat with over at the Corvette Forum).
Well, yeah, it looks like most design student's renderings of a mid-engine vehicle merged with a few Corvette elements.
Don't get me wrong, setup right, it looks solid, certainly there's some beastly variants still on the way (check out the C8R 5.5 race car videos circulating, that engine is a view of the Corvette's DOHC future), I'm even a potential buyer when I'm back to not wanting rear seats again, but the design is not my favorite. I'm not spellbound just by the fact it's an ME implementation, putting the engine in the middle of the car still doesn't make it a Ferrari
I think it looks horrible in that pic above - proportions are all wrong, backend is too high (the actual rear end design is baffling), it definitely needs to be lower[ed], better wheels, the right package/trim/color, etc.
FWIW, a convertible with a decent trim package, say 2LT (mid-tier), the Z51 option (I'd say, almost a "must have"), a couple of other small options, you're looking at ~$93K OTD, now you're starting to get into some CPO P-car territory (and while the C8 might outperform some low-mid models, the ownership experience is vastly different). Of course, after this initial rush, they'll be discounting them if not the 2nd year, by the 3rd.
Honestly, if someone wants one (a Coupe), there's literally hundreds of order slots still available at MSRP (according to people ITK I still chat with over at the Corvette Forum).
Well, yeah, it looks like most design student's renderings of a mid-engine vehicle merged with a few Corvette elements.
Don't get me wrong, setup right, it looks solid, certainly there's some beastly variants still on the way (check out the C8R 5.5 race car videos circulating, that engine is a view of the Corvette's DOHC future), I'm even a potential buyer when I'm back to not wanting rear seats again, but the design is not my favorite. I'm not spellbound just by the fact it's an ME implementation, putting the engine in the middle of the car still doesn't make it a Ferrari
I probably won’t opt for the convertible. I think the convertible version definitely has a totally different looking appeal (as @The-Real-Deal82 indicated, it’s reminiscent of a Ferrari type-stance), but when I first heard the news that GM was putting out a convertible, and I saw the picture, I was even more drawn to it. I haven’t owned a vert’ in forever, so I personally would welcome the change, but the standard C8 is perfectly fine by me.
Back in February 2019, I looked (And posted a picture of) at a Stingray at my GM dealership, and in hindsight, I’m glad I didn’t purchase it, knowingly that this C8 is something that I will own at one point. I think the only thing worth noting about other Corvette models, is the horrendous resale value.
Haha. Of course not. Auto manufactures never copy each other. 😁 but really though, you’re not wrong, it does look very Ferrari-ish in that picture. Even to secure a C8 right now in my region, it’s $900 for the application, there’s an itemized list Of probably over 100 potential buyers, I do think partially it helps who you know at your dealership that keeps an eye out.
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The Coupe and the Convertible are exactly the same car, minus the top/rear deck/tonneau section, so the "stance" is the same, same lower chassis, front end rear quarter panels, etc.
It's just removes __more__ of the roof
Just going to leave this here, my current pride and joy. She’s an absolute beast. Many mods, mainly FBO with best in slot hardware. Running full E85. Already in the 10s on the 1/4, will be building the engine and upgrading the turbo over the winter/spring. Ultimate goal is a full weight 9 second car.
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I think it looks horrible in that pic above - proportions are all wrong, backend is too high (the actual rear end design is baffling), it definitely needs to be lower[ed], better wheels, the right package/trim/color, etc.
FWIW, a convertible with a decent trim package, say 2LT (mid-tier), the Z51 option (I'd say, almost a "must have"), a couple of other small options, you're looking at ~$93K OTD, now you're starting to get into some CPO P-car territory (and while the C8 might outperform some low-mid models, the ownership experience is vastly different). Of course, after this initial rush, they'll be discounting them if not the 2nd year, by the 3rd.
Honestly, if someone wants one (a Coupe), there's literally hundreds of order slots still available at MSRP (according to people ITK I still chat with over at the Corvette Forum).
Well, yeah, it looks like most design student's renderings of a mid-engine vehicle merged with a few Corvette elements.
Don't get me wrong, setup right, it looks solid, certainly there's some beastly variants still on the way (check out the C8R 5.5 race car videos circulating, that engine is a view of the Corvette's DOHC future), I'm even a potential buyer when I'm back to not wanting rear seats again, but the design is not my favorite. I'm not spellbound just by the fact it's an ME implementation, putting the engine in the middle of the car still doesn't make it a Ferrari
Nice. Not a bad price either, I looked up both for the Mustang and the Charger, and they’re both 30-ish dollars. Easy install and the 360° Multi angle is definitely convenient. Seems like a reputable company, as I’m not familiar with them.
[ I’d probably opt for one for the Mustang, as the Charger receives free oil changes for the lifetime. 😁]
I recently had to rent a car and wound up with a Hyundai Santa Fe with their new lane keeping system. This system is intended to improve safety by actively steering you back into the lane if it detects that you've veered off.
The thing is a death trap. We had storms that knocked down some tree branches, so I tried to swerve around one and it pulled me right back into it. On a narrow road I had to move over to let an oncoming truck through and it tried to pull me into that too. Instead of augmenting the driver's abilities, it snatches the car from him and makes him fight for it. It is a colossal failure that should never have been implemented.
My real concern though is that the anti-responsibility attitude that produced a nightmare like this is going to seep ever deeper into the automotive industry. It is now somehow incumbent upon the car manufacturer to stop me from doing something they perceive dangerous, even though I'm the one who can see out the windshield.
I'm going to hang on to my boring, dumb, "unsafe" 2006 car for dear life.
The thing is a death trap. We had storms that knocked down some tree branches, so I tried to swerve around one and it pulled me right back into it. On a narrow road I had to move over to let an oncoming truck through and it tried to pull me into that too. Instead of augmenting the driver's abilities, it snatches the car from him and makes him fight for it. It is a colossal failure that should never have been implemented.
My real concern though is that the anti-responsibility attitude that produced a nightmare like this is going to seep ever deeper into the automotive industry. It is now somehow incumbent upon the car manufacturer to stop me from doing something they perceive dangerous, even though I'm the one who can see out the windshield.
I'm going to hang on to my boring, dumb, "unsafe" 2006 car for dear life.
We have this system on both our DD/RT and Mustang GT and it's not nearly as intrusive as what the previous poster described, maybe the Hyundai implementation is quite a bit different. There's also settings to set how much assistance it provides.
In both our cars, it's easily turned off with a single, hard switch - on my GT, it's a button at the end of the left stalk, so it's super easy to toggle. I find it mostly helpful on long[er] stretches of highway, especially where you've been driving for a bit, and you tend to get "wander-y". Combined with ACC, it's fantastic in the right circumstance.
Yes, I figured that out right before I returned it. I don't know if it comes back on or not, but if I ever owned one of those, it would be off forever.
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We have this system on both our DD/RT and Mustang GT and it's not nearly as intrusive as what the previous poster described, maybe the Hyundai implementation is quite a bit different. There's also settings to set how much assistance it provides.
In both our cars, it's easily turned off with a single, hard switch - on my GT, it's a button at the end of the left stalk, so it's super easy to toggle. I find it mostly helpful on long[er] stretches of highway, especially where you've been driving for a bit, and you tend to get "wander-y". Combined with ACC, it's fantastic in the right circumstance.
It probably wouldn't be so bad if it actually knew where the lane was. Even still, it would not see debris like that branch, and it takes a surprising amount of force to wrest control again.
I don't mind them on new cars. I really like what Ford also brought in with their cross pattern alert or whatever it's called that seeks via radar side to side when backing up out of a space or driving out of whatever those drive outlets are called in parking lots.
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How?
The Scat was initially purchased from California, I Purchased an extended warranty from FCA from a local Dodge dealership in my region. Now, the Dodge dealership when you buy the car from them, they offer free oil changes for life on the vehicle, [The caveat, is it’s only good at that location where you purchased the car to receive the free oil changes.] The Scat initial delivery/inspection was at this dealership, where I purchased the warranty from, and they granted me the free oil changes for life since I purchased the warranty/and I service the vehicle there anyways. (I planned on asking anyways if they would grant the oil changes, but they offered it.) But still, I don’t know any other dealership that offers this at all in my area.
Actually, just had the first oil change complete not that long ago, takes exactly 7 quarts. Total cost would have been ~85.00, The only thing I spent was my time.😁
Right, I remember you mentioning the car was from a desert dealership, was it, and that no one was buying it because it was dark colored? That makes a lot of sense to be honest. I vaguely remember some dealers advertising that if you stuck with them for your servicing needs, they'd give discounts or do stuff for free, and it's something they shouldered the cost for. The reality is no one was going to drive 50 miles to get their car serviced there, and few would take them up on the offer.
I bring up 50 miles as an example because sometimes a dealer will be willing to go down on price for the same vehicle because it's got slower turnaround compared to a fancy dealership in a major city. Or at least that's been my experience over the years.
It was purchased from Stockton California. So Why California? In my area, Scats really aren’t that common, and the mark up on them is kinda high. I mean, I could have payed the sticker price, (I was even considering a 16’ Hellcat for ~$47ish), but I opted for the 18 Scat, [As it was cheaper out in Cali], being there wasn’t really any significant changes for the 19’, and it allowed room to add the cat back exhaust/ceramic coating. [Plus, The 18’ had various upgrades with LED lighting/Apple CarPlay]
Anyways, black (Or in the case of the Scat, it’s ‘Pitch Black Clear Coat’) just looks freakin awesome 😁. Plus, I have a fairly lengthy history of purchasing black cars, this was my fifth one, with the GT being the other recent addition.
Oh, and it’s not daily driven, just a fun car to cause a bit of havoc when necessary.😁
Never pay sticker unless you've got a gun to your head. Black is fine. It could have been brown if such a color was offered. It would, however, be more in tune with the slang name for the car.
I considered putting this in the “What’s on your mind” thread, or the “What are you trying to keep yourself from buying” thread, but settled on The Car Thread.
And so, at a stage of my life when I arguably should be beyond such endeavors, I have recently been toying with the idea of (read: giving some serious thought to) modding my existing Charger R/T AWD for increased performance as an alternative to purchasing a late model Scat Pack.
Crazy, right? Probably, but hear me out.
V8 AWD Chargers are comparatively uncommon, and after 2014 FCA discontinued making them except for the Police version. Seems they didn’t sell all that well in the civilian market. Most people don’t even know that such a creature exists. But I had an ‘09 AWD, and liked it very much, especially in inclement weather. Based on that experience I decided to purchase the newest V8 AWD Charger available, figuring I’d have it for a good long while.
And after driving it for a year and half, even though I live in a place that doesn’t get much snow, I still love it.
And while it accelerates nicely, I just wish it had more power. Not for street or track racing, and certainly not for being able to lay down smoking swaths of rubber on the pavement. I want more power for safe passing, as we have a lot of two lane roads in these parts, and for the pleasure of accelerating to the maximum speed at which I am not risking a ticket. For hitting the go pedal and smiling.
How to make more power? Buy it or build it. For building, the central modification would be adding a supercharger. Along with that comes additional work to the cam and lifters, possibly the bottom end, plus brakes and suspension. The result would be in the neighborhood of 500 HP at the wheels.
A newer SP would, of course, be turnkey, other than likely having to purchase a set of new tires, and possibly brakes.
It turns out the costs of upgrading my car vs purchasing a late model SP are pretty comparable.
One would probably have some of the original warranty, the other wouldn’t. Ease of resale would be much better for the SP. And so forth, down the list of pros and cons.
Bottom line, one would be AWD, the other wouldn’t.
The AWD, modded, would be quite rare. No stripes, decals, what have you. Bone stock exterior. A real sleeper.
And the AWD already has the color and options I want (ok, except for the heated steering wheel), and is paid for.
I haven’t modded a car in years. Certainly some of the wrenching would be hired out. I’d also do some of it myself. God help me, it sounds like fun.
And so, at a stage of my life when I arguably should be beyond such endeavors, I have recently been toying with the idea of (read: giving some serious thought to) modding my existing Charger R/T AWD for increased performance as an alternative to purchasing a late model Scat Pack.
Crazy, right? Probably, but hear me out.
V8 AWD Chargers are comparatively uncommon, and after 2014 FCA discontinued making them except for the Police version. Seems they didn’t sell all that well in the civilian market. Most people don’t even know that such a creature exists. But I had an ‘09 AWD, and liked it very much, especially in inclement weather. Based on that experience I decided to purchase the newest V8 AWD Charger available, figuring I’d have it for a good long while.
And after driving it for a year and half, even though I live in a place that doesn’t get much snow, I still love it.
And while it accelerates nicely, I just wish it had more power. Not for street or track racing, and certainly not for being able to lay down smoking swaths of rubber on the pavement. I want more power for safe passing, as we have a lot of two lane roads in these parts, and for the pleasure of accelerating to the maximum speed at which I am not risking a ticket. For hitting the go pedal and smiling.
How to make more power? Buy it or build it. For building, the central modification would be adding a supercharger. Along with that comes additional work to the cam and lifters, possibly the bottom end, plus brakes and suspension. The result would be in the neighborhood of 500 HP at the wheels.
A newer SP would, of course, be turnkey, other than likely having to purchase a set of new tires, and possibly brakes.
It turns out the costs of upgrading my car vs purchasing a late model SP are pretty comparable.
One would probably have some of the original warranty, the other wouldn’t. Ease of resale would be much better for the SP. And so forth, down the list of pros and cons.
Bottom line, one would be AWD, the other wouldn’t.
The AWD, modded, would be quite rare. No stripes, decals, what have you. Bone stock exterior. A real sleeper.
And the AWD already has the color and options I want (ok, except for the heated steering wheel), and is paid for.
I haven’t modded a car in years. Certainly some of the wrenching would be hired out. I’d also do some of it myself. God help me, it sounds like fun.
@Matz
So you've got the 5.7L @ 370HP, the Scat Pack is the 6.4L @ 485, so ~412RWHP.
If the Supercharger options are around 500 to the wheels, that's a decent difference, plus with the added grip - though added driveline losses - of AWD.
Modded cars are fun, they make for some great talk at cruise-ins, they, umm, surprise other drivers, etc.
However, they also introduce a ton of additional complexities, failure points, trouble-shooting, and the mods aren't worth squat on the car in terms of resale, though maybe 50% if de-modded (which of course is it's own can of worms).
If you'd need to build the bottom end, that's getting pretty serious, most moderate boost superchargers are designed to run on an otherwise stock motor. Honestly, with a built motor, some top end work, the supercharger kit, tuning, I don't know.
You also have to factor in all the perks of the newer vehicle: better safety, warranty, improved electronics, better lighting. And going aftermarket FI means you can fund the potential mishaps that can occur - blow up a motor? Are you ready to be without the car for a month and drop in a new $5000 motor?
Just some food for thought, I mean, I've spent 10s of thousands on aftermarket for cars (I had $50K in my Supra ...), it was always fun, but it always had some extra costs, and mishaps that was impossible to plan for.
So you've got the 5.7L @ 370HP, the Scat Pack is the 6.4L @ 485, so ~412RWHP.
If the Supercharger options are around 500 to the wheels, that's a decent difference, plus with the added grip - though added driveline losses - of AWD.
Modded cars are fun, they make for some great talk at cruise-ins, they, umm, surprise other drivers, etc.
However, they also introduce a ton of additional complexities, failure points, trouble-shooting, and the mods aren't worth squat on the car in terms of resale, though maybe 50% if de-modded (which of course is it's own can of worms).
If you'd need to build the bottom end, that's getting pretty serious, most moderate boost superchargers are designed to run on an otherwise stock motor. Honestly, with a built motor, some top end work, the supercharger kit, tuning, I don't know.
You also have to factor in all the perks of the newer vehicle: better safety, warranty, improved electronics, better lighting. And going aftermarket FI means you can fund the potential mishaps that can occur - blow up a motor? Are you ready to be without the car for a month and drop in a new $5000 motor?
Just some food for thought, I mean, I've spent 10s of thousands on aftermarket for cars (I had $50K in my Supra ...), it was always fun, but it always had some extra costs, and mishaps that was impossible to plan for.