This is what I ended up doing, 240 at 50 amps and I get a charge of about 30 MPH, with the discount from the power company after midnight we get a rate of .09 per kilowatt so it's pretty cheap overall.
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Ford releases the special edition Bronco ‘Everglades’… (I personally like the term ‘Swamp thing’, but that’s just me.
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But this monster just looks awesome, and is totally designed for any condition:
*Integrated snorkel/10,000 pound winch.
*Front and rear axles, transfer case and transmission also offer raised vents for improved water fording. Combined, these design changes lead to water fording capability of 36.4 inches.
*Standard marine-grade vinyl seats and rubberized washout flooring.
*2.3-liter EcoBoost delivers 300HP/325 lb.-ft.Tq.
*10-speed automatic transmission with advanced 4x4 system and a maximum 67.8:1 crawl ratio.
*17-inch Carbonized Gray-painted alloy wheels with 35-inch Goodyear mud-terrain tires.
*Available in five exterior colors, including Everglades-exclusive low-volume Desert Sand, plus Eruption Green, Area 51, Shadow Black and Cactus Gray.
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)But this monster just looks awesome, and is totally designed for any condition:
*Integrated snorkel/10,000 pound winch.
*Front and rear axles, transfer case and transmission also offer raised vents for improved water fording. Combined, these design changes lead to water fording capability of 36.4 inches.
*Standard marine-grade vinyl seats and rubberized washout flooring.
*2.3-liter EcoBoost delivers 300HP/325 lb.-ft.Tq.
*10-speed automatic transmission with advanced 4x4 system and a maximum 67.8:1 crawl ratio.
*17-inch Carbonized Gray-painted alloy wheels with 35-inch Goodyear mud-terrain tires.
*Available in five exterior colors, including Everglades-exclusive low-volume Desert Sand, plus Eruption Green, Area 51, Shadow Black and Cactus Gray.
Special-Edition Ford Bronco Everglades Engineered and Outfitted to Take on Extreme Adventures with Confidence | Ford Media Center
For off-roaders looking to go further off the grid, Ford today is debuting the new 2022 Ford Bronco® Everglades™ special edition – an SUV born to breathe when the air gets thick and designed to press on when the trail turns others around.
I really must say- Ford has absolutely hit it out of the park with this new Bronco lineup. I have no need for this kind of vehicle, but damn are they good looking and quite capable in stock form. Gotta give them props!Ford releases the special edition Bronco ‘Everglades’… (I personally like the term ‘Swamp thing’, but that’s just me.
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But this monster just looks awesome, and is totally designed for any condition:
*Integrated snorkel/10,000 pound winch.
*Front and rear axles, transfer case and transmission also offer raised vents for improved water fording. Combined, these design changes lead to water fording capability of 36.4 inches.
*Standard marine-grade vinyl seats and rubberized washout flooring.
*2.3-liter EcoBoost delivers 300HP/325 lb.-ft.Tq.
*10-speed automatic transmission with advanced 4x4 system and a maximum 67.8:1 crawl ratio.
*17-inch Carbonized Gray-painted alloy wheels with 35-inch Goodyear mud-terrain tires.
*Available in five exterior colors, including Everglades-exclusive low-volume Desert Sand, plus Eruption Green, Area 51, Shadow Black and Cactus Gray.
Special-Edition Ford Bronco Everglades Engineered and Outfitted to Take on Extreme Adventures with Confidence | Ford Media Center
For off-roaders looking to go further off the grid, Ford today is debuting the new 2022 Ford Bronco® Everglades™ special edition – an SUV born to breathe when the air gets thick and designed to press on when the trail turns others around.
I’m in that same category, I really don’t have a need for the Bronco in its current configuration, but what I think makes the Bronco so user specific, is there are so many different trim levels/customization in Fords lineup. (I think there’s something like over 22 different configurations for the Bronco.) My gym that I go to late in the morning, there’s a Ford dealership right next-door and there’s a transport vehicle that drops off vehicles about the time I get to the gym, and it’s always different Broncos of different trim levels, and you can see how every one of them is slightly unique to each other with different wheel combinations, four-door/two-door, tire sizes, terrain accessories, etc.
Where I live, you pretty much have to have AWD/4-wheel-drive for road conditions, and I see quite a few Broncos on the road, and marketing photos are so much different than seeing that vehicle in person. Really neat vehicle.
Been intrigued by the Mini Range Rover especially the 3 door, what’s the running costs like on it? Expensive to service etc? And is it reliable? Range Rover is said not to have the best reputation but I’ve never owned one.
Been thinking of a small all wheel drive SUV, living in England the choices are a bit slim. I like the Volvo XC40 too but it holds its value incredibly well.
You have got to be joking, surely you’ve got your tongue firmly in your cheek? I mean the build quality is terrible of Tesla. The materials they use for the price they charge and the market segments they operate in are nothing like other cars. And then there is the design I mean visual look at cars like the model 3 and Y and X especially. They aren’t classic beauties are they. And then there is the skateboard battery platform meaning the seat and floor distance isn’t there and anyone larger than a small person has their knees in their cheeks in the back.
It’s nothing like Apple. LOL They don’t even support Apple CarPlay.
Sure they have been a disrupted, most definitely. And without Tesla the EV resolution wouldn’t be anywhere near where it is. Their supercharger network was a smart move, and opening it up to other EVs is even smarter and clearly demonstrates they aren’t actually a car manufacturer.
But yuk, unless they can actually design a nice car I’ll never have one.
Mine is the full fat supercharged Range Rover. My daughter has less than half the power in het Evoque. But it is fully loaded. I don’t think I’d like the experience of the entry level ones, but when it’s fully loaded it is actually a really nice car to be in with the dynamic suspension, good seats, good meridian sound system etc.
I can’t comment on reliability. On paper our two cars should be the worst. In reality we have had no issues whatsoever. Well no issues that isn’t normally to be expected on any car of a certain age. I have no troubles buying another one. Just maintain it right, get it up to a known standard when buying second hand.
But if buying new in the UK, I’d be looking for an electric vehicle. I don’t like the look of the XC40 recharge myself but what about a polestar? Or perhaps a plug-in Range Rover Evoque.
In the U.K. i think an EV makes more sense than in the US. The fuel duty we pay and the relatively small commutes of most people mean there are a number of options. I’ve more or less made my mind up on the BMW i3 I drove yesterday. Just have to decide if it’s nearly new or brand new and take a hit on depreciation.
Decisions, decisions.
Sadly the global chip shortage is still playing havoc. It may be hard to find either a new or second hand car 😬
We ordered another Audi last year for my wife. But seven months later and still no build slot. So in December I also order a Polestar 2 for her following a joint test drive. The delivery date went out a day later by several months 🤷♂️😬 I was not happy, but managed to find a preconfigured one; meant we had to switch from silver to pearl white, and that arrived in country yesterday.
But even polestar is now affected, as from yesterday they can no longer supply the fancy pixel matrix super duper headlights, nor the light sequencing mechanism. I feel especially for our North American cousins as it was only recently that the laws were passed to allow modern headlights, and now they can no longer be delivered due to a global shortage.
It’s crazy out there. Good luck car hunting.
There are cars. Just not as many bargains! I can find several nearly new, no issue. New wouldn’t be delivered until July if I ordered. As that’s when they end production, I’m swinging towards nearly new and saving some money.
I’m not looking to incite an argument with you, but more or less; understand your mindset based of your above statement. So if you feel like answering questions I have below, then great. It’s just that your post leads for anybody to poke holes and ask questions, given that you didn’t back anything what you said.
Have you owned/driven a Tesla to speak on behalf of the quality? What model do you actually have experience with? Or are you basing your comment on what you’ve read/heard? When you say terrible, what does that mean?
The reason I ask is, is it’s the constant negativity I read on the Internet their ‘build quality is terrible’, but yet the people that are saying that for the most part, don’t even own a Tesla, let alone have ever even driven one, it’s based off hear-say. There’s a decent amount of people on the site who have Teslas that I’ve crossed with, and they’re generally very happy with their ownership.(Mainly Model 3 owners.)
I don’t think Teslas are perfect cars, but I do think that their production has increasingly become more consistent with better quality with the drives I’ve been on, than what it once was say 9/10 years ago. Sure, we hear about the misalignment of ‘panel gaps’ or shoddy paint jobs with a very thin layer of clearcoat, but does that constitute terrible build quality? So what makes their build quality ‘so terrible’ other than those two factors that I just mentioned above.
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Owned no, because of aforementioned comments
Model 3, S and X.
Nope experience it first hand, it is there to see for everyone. It is really not that difficult as you can book a test drive via the app and they have 'dealerships' in most malls.
I already mentioned that. The materials and fit/finish used for the segment there operate in are just not good enough. Be it the TM3 and compare that to how an Audi or BMW or Volvo is build in the same category with materials used for fit and finish, and body panel alignments. it is very clear to see and experience the difference. And when you get into the territory of TMS or TMX and you compare that what is in the luxury segments it doesn't begin to compare. I'm actually surprised that you ask me to explain as if you knew what else was available you'd already know the answer to the question.
Tesla is banking on its technology and apps, and infrastructure. It got a very good head start based on that and being different, no argument against that. But it hasn't pushed that boundary for a long time now and there are way more good alternatives available nowadays.
Well I don't own a Tesla, and that is because of those reasons
I keep coming back to one, and keep looking at one. Heck we looked again at the TM3 before pushing the button on a P*2 for my wife's little runabout, because our Audi eTron is significantly delayed. But it is still not up to the standard of what I'd expect from a £62K car...No argument that the driving experience can be good, nor that it has decent range, nor that the charging infrastructure is good, nor that when you order a performance model you can win as good as every childish traffic light drag race. And for anyone valuing that more than the quality of the fit and finish than that is entirely their choice.
Yes it does
🤣LOL You are funny, you are excluding material factors to build quality and then ask about what else. I've actually already mentioned that in my original post but you seem to ignore those, just compare the materials used to make the interior, you know the bit you sit in everyday to another car in that price segment.
To me it sounds like you haven't got much experience with what other cars are available in that segment and what their build quality is like. Just sit in an Audi or BMW of the same value. Or when looking at the S & X try out a Mercedes S or GLS, or what about a Porsche if you pitch it against the plaid? Huge huge huge differences.
Definitely nearly new would be my advice. I can’t bear the thought of losing so much money on a new car just for signing the V5C.
Thanks, I can’t afford anything new. Is a Range Rover expensive to service through a local mechanic for example?
Great to hear they are actually reliable. I want a 4X4 model so it would be a mid spec one.
I don’t plan on buying an electric car for several years, we don’t have the infrastructure in my area and I live in the country. Personally I don’t think electric cars are there yet but it depends on the area and country you live in.
For my next car I wanted something a little bit premium, 4X4 and doesn’t cost the earth to maintain. I’ve been told Audi’s and Volvo aren’t too bad and cheaper then Mercedes or BMW. I really like the XC40 but even before the chip shortage it’s values were really strong.
I’m not sure though if the XC40 has Car Play in it? Does your Polestar have it? Nice cars the Polestars.
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That’s always been my thoughts too. But looking at all the numbers in excel it’s easy to see why some people do.
That is the weird thing. At the moment there really isn’t that much difference. Like with BMW M2 second hand they go for more than new (ok fair enough they don’t make them anymore). Audi there just aren’t any nearly new cars. Polestar you can get £2K saving on a year old car with already 7k miles on the clock. Yes sure if the deal is good, I definitely agree. The market is just very odd at the moment.
If you aren’t looking for new, and like it compact and three door to not have it too school run mumsy I think you can’t go wrong with a three door evoque. Sure they are a bit older but actually very nice. Although like everything prices can be higher.
A three door evoque dynamic plus is pretty nice. If insurance isn’t an issue I probably would go for a petrol version due to tightening of emissions. For my daughter we went for the lowly powered 190Hp diesel automatic. The meridian sound system is fantastic. The winged Recaro seats are fantastic. The active dynamic suspension makes it very comfortable. And leather clad everywhere. Iirc before 2016 models don’t have Apple CarPlay but you de have it aftermarket put in and that works brilliantly.
We bought back in October the cheapest in the country. I kid you not. I was abroad with my wife and youngest and my daughter found it online. The dealer wasn’t responsive to her, so I called them and the day I got back we drove there to see it and I plugged my computer in. There were a few issues. They still didn’t speak to my daughter. The suspension was seized non of the 4x4 system worked but it looked great. They played dumb about the faults and so do I
I got a further £850 off. It was a bumpy ride home, but all it needed was a replacement damper as it leaked and seized (normal for a car ten years old) and the active suspension loom was corroded and needed replacing (again normal wear and tear). My local independent had that fixed in no time. A full service was £295 at a Land Rover specialist. I appreciate they are not for everyone, but it’s almost impossible to get the quality or ride and luxury in such a small package anywhere else.
My maximum budget when buying a car is about £25k, so it’s difficult to get the spec I am used to for anything new. I bought a Peugeot 3008 GT Line last year and I realise the prices for second hand have gone up. I made £3k on my Honda CRV and the 3008 was worth +£2k within weeks of me buying it. However both these cars would have been £35k new and I just couldn’t justify that cost on a car I flip every 3 years even if now they retain a lot more of their original value. That trend will not last forever.
That’s close to me. Normally I pay cash. But looking into HP. Not PCP. That’s a mugs game. But by the time you factor in not paying for petrol, the numbers aren’t as bad as you think.
I personally love mine, after 15 years of being and exclusive BMW owner I can say the quality my Tesla 3 is comparable, only with more brains. When you look at how many of them are out there we're going to see some issues but nothing worse than any other car, it's just that Tesla has a target on their backs all the time.
IMO if one hasn't spent time driving or owning one their opinions don't carry a lot of weight, same can be said for any car really.
If you aren’t looking for new, and like it compact and three door to not have it too school run mumsy I think you can’t go wrong with a three door evoque. Sure they are a bit older but actually very nice. Although like everything prices can be higher.
A three door evoque dynamic plus is pretty nice. If insurance isn’t an issue I probably would go for a petrol version due to tightening of emissions. For my daughter we went for the lowly powered 190Hp diesel automatic. The meridian sound system is fantastic. The winged Recaro seats are fantastic. The active dynamic suspension makes it very comfortable. And leather clad everywhere. Iirc before 2016 models don’t have Apple CarPlay but you de have it aftermarket put in and that works brilliantly.
We bought back in October the cheapest in the country. I kid you not. I was abroad with my wife and youngest and my daughter found it online. The dealer wasn’t responsive to her, so I called them and the day I got back we drove there to see it and I plugged my computer in. There were a few issues. They still didn’t speak to my daughter. The suspension was seized non of the 4x4 system worked but it looked great. They played dumb about the faults and so do I
I appreciate they are not for everyone, but it’s almost impossible to get the quality or ride and luxury in such a small package anywhere else.
Thank you for the info, no kids for me so 3 door is fine. Sounds like the dealer was very rude. I do like a good standard sound system, I had a bit of a big install in my youth but these days I appreciate a nice factory for system lol. Don’t care about sat nav as I use my phone for that anyway.
That cost isn’t too bad for a full service. It is an older car but it means values are lower then an XC40 which in a reasonable spec is around 27K for a 5 year old car which to me seems a bit high.
Yea, definitely an option worth looking into. And yes the industry is very sexist, we get it all the time. When looking for body shop to get the Golf MK2 painted the guys would ignore her. It’s sad but a reality.
Be careful using your phone in the UK. New Highway Code that came in disallows touching it for any use. I would really recommend getting CarPlay or android auto.
I have a holder for my phone, I just set it going and drive, Waze does the rest and gives me voice guidance over the stereo, not jse it when I need to though. But I don’t touch it whilst driving and the law is fine with that. But I want Apple Car Play in my next car.
Can‘t believe its that sexist, they obviously don’t want your money if your a girl / women.
Good to hear you’re happy with your M3, as I know you got yours I think you said not even two months ago. Obviously being on a tech website, I am a huge enthusiast of that, and that’s what attracts me to a Tesla the most, because there is so much dynamic behind the technology that changes/improves the driving experience and the ‘fun factor’ to a Tesla. In terms of software updates and what Tesla has been able to accomplish up until now with the M3, it’s pretty dramatic, all in a good way. The more positive experiences of the people that I talked to who actually own a Tesla, has influenced me more into the EV sector, and of course the Model 3 has been largely a successful car that I like.
It’s like you said, Tesla will always have a group of people that have nothing good to say about them, no matter what they do right. It’s almost kind of like Apple, where they do a lot of great things, but there’s always a core group of people that will undercut them no matter what products are successful under Cook.
Sometimes it can be difficult to understand one’s position on why they dislike Tesla on the Internet, especially if they don’t articulate they have experience with one or even owned one. So when someone tells me they haven't owned one, I’ve heard all I need to hear. And it’s not my intention to actually start any type of ‘Tesla war’, because there’s plenty of those on the Internet, and this particular forum/thread really is geared towards more just ‘car talk’ in general, but I’m naturally curious, so I can understand where somebody’s coming from, because it also educates me, but is also weeds out those who throw negativity that have no direct ownership or experience.
Surely that also includes people who seriously (in my case on more than one occasion) looked into them but have discounted them. And do I get from that that you actually don't have one either? But are interested in getting a TM3 of some sort?
So you asked the question, I answered politely, and then you decide to ghost the reasonable responses I provided to you? That is a bit rude don't you think?