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SactoGuy18

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If I were to get a new car now, I'd get either a Toyota Corolla sedan or a Honda Civic sedan/hatchback. Reason: the price of an EV is still WAY too high on average and the public DC charging networks are still a bit of an hit-and-miss outside of Tesla's Supercharger network. As back by 2025 when SAE J3400 connector charging networks are way more common and the price of EV's aren't somewhere in the stratosphere.
 

KaliYoni

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This thread made me think of this sticker (no comment on whether I agree with the sentiment):
 

AlaskaMoose

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If I were to get a new car now, I'd get either a Toyota Corolla sedan or a Honda Civic sedan/hatchback. Reason: the price of an EV is still WAY too high on average and the public DC charging networks are still a bit of an hit-and-miss outside of Tesla's Supercharger network. As back by 2025 when SAE J3400 connector charging networks are way more common and the price of EV's aren't somewhere in the stratosphere.
I have a 2012 Corolla LE that has the 1.8L engine. It has been outstandingly reliable, and easy to maintain (relatively inexpensive). 13.2 gallons of fuel at 26/34 MPG can reach quite a long drive range. Highway: 34 MPG x 13.2 gallons = 448.8 miles, and 26 MPG (combined) mileage x 13.2 miles = over 300 miles. 13.2 gallons of gasoline weight about 79 pounds.

I don't know much about newer Corolla LE cars, but the little engine and transmission combination is quite peppy, not like an EV would, but more than plenty for US city/highway driving.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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I have a 2012 Corolla LE that has the 1.8L engine. It has been outstandingly reliable, and easy to maintain (relatively inexpensive). 13.2 gallons of fuel at 26/34 MPG can reach quite a long drive range. Highway: 34 MPG x 13.2 gallons = 448.8 miles, and 26 MPG (combined) mileage x 13.2 miles = over 300 miles. 13.2 gallons of gasoline weight about 79 pounds.

I don't know much about newer Corolla LE cars, but the little engine and transmission combination is quite peppy, not like an EV would, but more than plenty for US city/highway driving.
It’s a car, it’s transport. But surely it’s not worthy even talk about something like that enthusiastically 🤷‍♂️ Watching paint drying is about the same level of fun and excitement.
 

JT2002TJ

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Okay, you answered my question. Thanks!

Definitley not a US thing…. They can’t even get their chargers working, yet alone share their API’s with auto manufacturers.

I have all kinds of apps, they all are garbage. They report working chargers, they aren’t. They report free charger, they aren’t.
 

Richard8655

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I have a 2012 Corolla LE that has the 1.8L engine. It has been outstandingly reliable, and easy to maintain (relatively inexpensive). 13.2 gallons of fuel at 26/34 MPG can reach quite a long drive range. Highway: 34 MPG x 13.2 gallons = 448.8 miles, and 26 MPG (combined) mileage x 13.2 miles = over 300 miles. 13.2 gallons of gasoline weight about 79 pounds.

I don't know much about newer Corolla LE cars, but the little engine and transmission combination is quite peppy, not like an EV would, but more than plenty for US city/highway driving.
I'm onboard with this. Toyota makes some of the most reliable vehicles in the world. My '99 Tacoma bought new will be 25 next year and not a thing has ever gone wrong with it. Just change oil and air filter regularly. Wouldn't buy another brand for the money. And if and when EV, will stick with Toyota.
 

vipergts2207

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And electricity is electricity. But not all gas is the same.

I guess?

“Definitely not a US thing…. They can’t even get their chargers working, yet alone share their API’s with auto manufacturers.

I have all kinds of apps, they all are garbage. They report working chargers, they aren’t. They report free charger, they aren’t.”

The thing is I can’t remember being effected by the above with gasoline. Pull up, fill up, leave. With a station on seemingly every corner.
 

JT2002TJ

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I guess?

“Definitely not a US thing…. They can’t even get their chargers working, yet alone share their API’s with auto manufacturers.

I have all kinds of apps, they all are garbage. They report working chargers, they aren’t. They report free charger, they aren’t.”

The thing is I can’t remember being effected by the above with gasoline. Pull up, fill up, leave. With a station on seemingly every corner.

It’s more like pulling up to a gas station and finding it run down, the at pump card payment system isn’t working, and the employees are gone home.

The gas and electricity are the same, the owner‘s upkeep is the difference.

At least here in the US, having a Tesla, and using their charging network is like showing up at a first class lounge vs spirit/frontier.

(for now)
 

AlaskaMoose

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It’s a car, it’s transport. But surely it’s not worthy even talk about something like that enthusiastically 🤷‍♂️ Watching paint drying is about the same level of fun and excitement.
True, but most people who buy these small cars do so for commuting. Before I retired in 2019 I drove to work & back home five times per week x 50 miles each day. It was perfect, and quite economical. Burns fuel around 20% more during the very cold interior of Alaska winters (lots of idling). However, the little 4-cylinder engine running at normal operating temperature keeps the cabin quite warm. During the winter it wears a set of Blizzak stud-less tires, which are great for driving on the ice-covered roads.
 
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YoitsTmac

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It’s more like pulling up to a gas station and finding it run down, the at pump card payment system isn’t working, and the employees are gone home.

The gas and electricity are the same, the owner‘s upkeep is the difference.

At least here in the US, having a Tesla, and using their charging network is like showing up at a first class lounge vs spirit/frontier.

(for now)

Lifelong California resident who’s driven into neighboring states and I have never ever had this issue in my lifetime.

I mean once or twice I had to move to a different pump but hardly dramatic…
 

vipergts2207

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It’s more like pulling up to a gas station and finding it run down, the at pump card payment system isn’t working, and the employees are gone home.

The gas and electricity are the same, the owner‘s upkeep is the difference.

At least here in the US, having a Tesla, and using their charging network is like showing up at a first class lounge vs spirit/frontier.

(for now)
What you described above is not really a thing when it comes to gas. And if a certain gas station looks run down, go to the one across the street. If they’re all run down then you’re in a bad part of town and I doubt the charging situation in the area is much rosier, if available at all.
 
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JT2002TJ

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Yes…. EV’s and EV infrastructure is new. It will take time to meet the same standards as gas stations…

Early adopters of any new technology deal with growing pains.

But most EV owners do not deal with these issues regularly. When there is a free charger (never had that with gas) at my local grocery store, sometimes it doesn’t work, sometimes it does. I have a home L2 charger. When I got home I charged my wife’s TM3, and my TMY all within 2 hours.
 

AlaskaMoose

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It’s more like pulling up to a gas station and finding it run down, the at pump card payment system isn’t working, and the employees are gone home.

The gas and electricity are the same, the owner‘s upkeep is the difference.

At least here in the US, having a Tesla, and using their charging network is like showing up at a first class lounge vs spirit/frontier.

(for now)
I believe that charging stations aren't as plentiful as gas-station pumps across the US, and also that one can pump 10 or more gallons of gasoline within 3-4 minutes, and drive away. I was watching some videos at "youtube" where several EV's were inline waiting for one of several Tesla charging stations, while ICE car drivers would come and go without much delays. This was happening in Nevada during the summer this year.
 

JT2002TJ

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I believe that charging stations aren't as plentiful as gas-station pumps across the US, and also that one can pump 10 or more gallons of gasoline within 3-4 minutes, and drive away. I was watching some videos at "youtube" where several EV's were inline waiting for one of several Tesla charging stations, while ICE car drivers would come and go without much delays. This was happening in Nevada during the summer this year.

I don’t disagree with this. We are still in the building phase of the EV infrastructure.
 
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Tagbert

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I believe that charging stations aren't as plentiful as gas-station pumps across the US, and also that one can pump 10 or more gallons of gasoline within 3-4 minutes, and drive away. I was watching some videos at "youtube" where several EV's were inline waiting for one of several Tesla charging stations, while ICE car drivers would come and go without much delays. This was happening in Nevada during the summer this year.
I’ve been at Tesla charging stations where there were no open spots, but most that I’ve seen had plenty of open spots. I’ve also been to gas stations where you had to wait in line to gas up.

It is still early days in the building out of charging networks. Capacity and distribution will improve. I do doubt that charging will be as fast as filling with gas at least for many years. It has little impact to most people who don’t depend on superchargers for daily charging. A little longer on trips is something you can allow for and endure.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I guess?

“Definitely not a US thing…. They can’t even get their chargers working, yet alone share their API’s with auto manufacturers.

I have all kinds of apps, they all are garbage. They report working chargers, they aren’t. They report free charger, they aren’t.”

The thing is I can’t remember being effected by the above with gasoline. Pull up, fill up, leave. With a station on seemingly every corner.
To be honest that is politics; bad policy, lobby group influencers. It doesn’t have to be like that. It’s a USA thing unfortunately.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Yes…. EV’s and EV infrastructure is new. It will take time to meet the same standards as gas stations…

Early adopters of any new technology deal with growing pains.

But most EV owners do not deal with these issues regularly. When there is a free charger (never had that with gas) at my local grocery store, sometimes it doesn’t work, sometimes it does. I have a home L2 charger. When I got home I charged my wife’s TM3, and my TMY all within 2 hours.
And that is the key point. I find that totally transformative. Being able to “tank” at home. Leaving every day, or every time in every day with a full “tank”.

I barely charge domestically in public as the majority of the journeys on a daily based are well within the 350 miles. And then, boom, no time wasted in the cold or wet, or hear pumping gas.

I love that part of EV ownership. I value my time, and get lots of back.
 
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Apple fanboy

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I believe that charging stations aren't as plentiful as gas-station pumps across the US, and also that one can pump 10 or more gallons of gasoline within 3-4 minutes, and drive away. I was watching some videos at "youtube" where several EV's were inline waiting for one of several Tesla charging stations, while ICE car drivers would come and go without much delays. This was happening in Nevada during the summer this year.
This is true. But of course in time this will flip the other way. There will be less petrol stations compared to charging stations.
But as most charging is done at peoples homes it really is a non issue that non EV drivers home in on.

I drove to London Thursday. Stopped once on the way. Once on the way back. It’s 4 hours each way, so a 25 minute stop was fine by me.
I selected my charging stop online before hand so I knew where I was going. They had about 15 chargers there. Plug in. Tap your contactless card. Job done.
Added bonus. No need to pay the London congestion charge! So saved on petrol and the congestion fee.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I’ve been at Tesla charging stations where there were no open spots, but most that I’ve seen had plenty of open spots. I’ve also been to gas stations where you had to wait in line to gas up.

It is still early days in the building out of charging networks. Capacity and distribution will improve. I do doubt that charging will be as fast as filling with gas at least for many years. It has little impact to most people who don’t depend on superchargers for daily charging. A little longer on trips is something you can allow for and endure.

We’ve had our EV just over 3 months and had a loaner for a month before and we have still never charged it in a public place, we’ve not had to yet. I think a lot of people who are dubious about EV’s worry about something that is quite rare depending on where they live of course. I just get the impression they thing queuing for chargers and wasting loads of time waiting for the car to charge is a regular or daily chore.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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And that is the key point. I find that totally transformative. Being able to “tank” at home. Leaving every day, or every time in every day with a full “tank”.

I barely charge domestically in public as the majority of the journeys on a daily based are well within the 350 miles. And then, boom, no time wasted in the cold or wet, or hear pumping gas.

I love that part of EV ownership. I value my time, and get lots of back.
And to proof my own point. I had to quickly go back to the Netherlands, am on the ferry to France at the moment, as the weather is terrible with a storm that has taken lifes already I've taken my full fat Range Rover. But I knew it had only half a tank of fuel, but couldn't be bothered last night. The weather was terrible slowing my journey, and I didn't have time to fill up along the way as otherwise would miss my ferry. I'm running on fumes on my 5.0V8 supercharged, whilst at the same time I had to push it to make it...

Don't have that with an EV, it would have been filled up overnight. So now I'll have to search for fuel first when arriving in Dunkirk and keep my fingers crossed everyone drives off the boat rapidly with as my fuel consumption is killing me when standing still. Unlike an EV where it has no affect whatsoever.

I can't wait for proper full size luxury EVs to be available, in fact I'm even considering an L460 hybrid to bridge the gap.
 
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AlaskaMoose

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This is true. But of course in time this will flip the other way. There will be less petrol stations compared to charging stations.
But as most charging is done at peoples homes it really is a non issue that non EV drivers home in on.

I drove to London Thursday. Stopped once on the way. Once on the way back. It’s 4 hours each way, so a 25 minute stop was fine by me.
I selected my charging stop online before hand so I knew where I was going. They had about 15 chargers there. Plug in. Tap your contactless card. Job done.
Added bonus. No need to pay the London congestion charge! So saved on petrol and the congestion fee.
I don't disagree, but assume that it is less difficult to achieve such things in the UK and neighboring countries, than it is in the US and even the Northern Canadian regions.
 

Apple fanboy

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I don't disagree, but assume that it is less difficult to achieve such things in the UK and neighboring countries, than it is in the US and even the Northern Canadian regions.
I think it’s very easy in most of the US to achieve. Maybe not in the remote parts. But probably a very small % of the population live there. Sorting out charging in places like California and NY would go a long way to reducing the pollution.
More difficult in the more remote areas like where you live agreed. But it can be done.
 
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