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MatthewLTL

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Why do you want to blind oncoming drivers?

What you're trying to do with your headlights should be illegal. In fact, maybe it already is.
I don't need high beams. I RARELY drive at night but when i do I NEED TO SEE DAMMIT! headlights are not bright enough and the fogs are dimmer than the headlights. The only use the High beams are is they serve as the DRLs.

EDIT: Driving with Fog lights on with no fog is illegal, Driving with no front plate is illegal, Driving with parking lights on is illegal. Does that mean people do it? Yup!. Some GMs even have the Parking lights as the DRLs from factory so go figure. everytime i drive the impala i drive WITH DRLs, Parking Lights AND fogs on. Will I ever be stopped? NOPE! I even drove my Daewoo around for a week with no front plate on because I was waiting to get mounting clips for the bracket. Was I stopped? NOPE! even passed a cop with no front plate either.

Headlights from oncoming traffic at night ALONE is blinding. Any LED under $30 is dim so no issues there.
 
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senseless

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Yes, indeed-the fact that both were fine and completely uninjured(other than my dad banging his knee on the center console) is by far and away the most important thing.

The damage also is not as bad as I had anticipated. When she described it to me over the phone, I was picturing complete and total carnage of the front end, but I honestly don't think it's that bad. I think it will buff out fine :)

Just a warning. I hit a deer in my almost new car and now am facing "diminished value" even though it was a non structural damage accident. Figure on losing 10 to 15% when they trade it in, unless they keep it for a very long time.
 

AustinIllini

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Just a warning. I hit a deer in my almost new car and now am facing "diminished value" even though it was a non structural damage accident. Figure on losing 10 to 15% when they trade it in, unless they keep it for a very long time.
It's brutal. Once they see that accident, buyers will chop an easy $2000 off the price.
 

A.Goldberg

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I should rephrase. Not garbage. Just Money Pits after only 8 years they throw 25+ DLC codes

Edit: each computer is over $1700 and ONE shock on the car is over ONE THOUSAND dollars! and takes 2.5 hrs to change ONE. 5 hrs to change 2
Well the new Mercedes S550 is said to have over "60 computers". Define a "computer" though, most are just control modules and cost a couple hundred bucks. Even regular cars are said to have 30. I'm sure you could say a CD player contains a "computer" if you wanted to. It's actually smarter to do it this way in some regard, because if one breaks, your entire car isn't necessarily screwed up. The price of replacing one module than one big computer. There have been some brands in the past that have put all the controls into one, expensive computer and premature failures can essentially kill the entire car.

I don't need high beams. I RARELY drive at night but when i do I NEED TO SEE DAMMIT! headlights are not bright enough and the fogs are dimmer than the headlights. The only use the High beams are is they serve as the DRLs.
The point of fog lights is not to make your forward view any brighter. They're made to illuminate the area right in front of your car and more importantly widen the illumination so you can see the road lines. The way fog lights are made they are not aimed to make you see better down the road. The easiest thing to do would be to upgrade your headlight bulbs to a quality bulb. If your headlights are oxidized/glazed over, thats also something to be addressed. Otherwise, buy some driving lights. My dad owned a RR pretty identical to this years ago, and the driving lights were great. Hella 3000 Ralleye driving lights:

2001-land-rover-range-rover-4-6-hse-americanlisted_29102665.jpg



EDIT: Driving with Fog lights on with no fog is illegal, Driving with no front plate is illegal, Driving with parking lights on is illegal. Does that mean people do it? Yup!. Some GMs even have the Parking lights as the DRLs from factory so go figure. everytime i drive the impala i drive WITH DRLs, Parking Lights AND fogs on. Will I ever be stopped? NOPE! I even drove my Daewoo around for a week with no front plate on because I was waiting to get mounting clips for the bracket. Was I stopped? NOPE! even passed a cop with no front plate either.
I'm sure the police have more important things to do most of the time. Just because you haven't been caught yet doesn't mean it's a good idea. The day you get a fine you won't be too happy.

IMPALA ISSUE CAPTURED! Let me know what the problem is!
Fuel pump, CPS sensor, MAF, fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator. Something things stop working even if they don't throw a code. How many miles?
 

bunnspecial

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Just a warning. I hit a deer in my almost new car and now am facing "diminished value" even though it was a non structural damage accident. Figure on losing 10 to 15% when they trade it in, unless they keep it for a very long time.

She's already conceded to the fact that she's going to have to keep it forever after the accident anyway.

This was the first new car she'd bought since her '76 Camaro, and has come around to the fact that she's not ever buying another new car :)
 
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bunnspecial

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What's everybody's opinion on a small pickup truck? Tacoma-Canyon-Colorado-Frontier family?

Unfortunately, true "small" pickups(i.e. Ranger, S-10) seem to have disappeared. The Tacoma used to be that size, but has picked up a few pounds over the years.

Among the options you listed, I have personal experience with the Frontier and Tacoma. My dad had(I think) an '09 Frontier, and a friend had an '07 Tacoma. That particular Frontier ended up being a nightmare. It was a great truck when it was running, but seemed to have non-stop ECM problems. Fortunately, all were repaired under warranty, but still the truck was out of commission for months at a time. I think it went through 2 or 3 ECMS in a year.

Of course, that's one example, and you can't necessarily judge the entire brand based on one example. Our family has generally had good luck with Nissans, so I think that particular Frontier was likely a fluke.

As for the Tacoma-it's a Toyota and that's about all I can say about it. As far as I know, it was indestructible. Toyota did cure the frame rot problem that plagued the mid-90s to early 2000s models, so a recent one is fine in that sense(I don't see the older ones very often anymore-I think Toyota has probably bought a significant number of them back).

I've heard nothing but good things about the Colorado, but haven't known that many people who had them.
 

Muscle Master

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The GMC Canyon honestly is the best looking, partially luxury compact pickup anyone could get... Top of the class. The Tacoma has rust issues, wouldn't touch it at all
 

yg17

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Aug 1, 2004
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St. Louis, MO
I don't need high beams. I RARELY drive at night but when i do I NEED TO SEE DAMMIT! headlights are not bright enough and the fogs are dimmer than the headlights. The only use the High beams are is they serve as the DRLs.

EDIT: Driving with Fog lights on with no fog is illegal, Driving with no front plate is illegal, Driving with parking lights on is illegal. Does that mean people do it? Yup!. Some GMs even have the Parking lights as the DRLs from factory so go figure. everytime i drive the impala i drive WITH DRLs, Parking Lights AND fogs on. Will I ever be stopped? NOPE! I even drove my Daewoo around for a week with no front plate on because I was waiting to get mounting clips for the bracket. Was I stopped? NOPE! even passed a cop with no front plate either.

Headlights from oncoming traffic at night ALONE is blinding. Any LED under $30 is dim so no issues there.

In your now closed left lane law, you were bitching about people who speed, or illegally park and do other illegal, unsafe things on the road. But now you're doing something that's illegal and unsafe and it's OK. You're a hypocrite.
 
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MatthewLTL

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Well the new Mercedes S550 is said to have over "60 computers". Define a "computer" though, most are just control modules and cost a couple hundred bucks. Even regular cars are said to have 30. I'm sure you could say a CD player contains a "computer" if you wanted to. It's actually smarter to do it this way in some regard, because if one breaks, your entire car isn't necessarily screwed up. The price of replacing one module than one big computer. There have been some brands in the past that have put all the controls into one, expensive computer and premature failures can essentially kill the entire car.


The point of fog lights is not to make your forward view any brighter. They're made to illuminate the area right in front of your car and more importantly widen the illumination so you can see the road lines. The way fog lights are made they are not aimed to make you see better down the road. The easiest thing to do would be to upgrade your headlight bulbs to a quality bulb. If your headlights are oxidized/glazed over, thats also something to be addressed. Otherwise, buy some driving lights. My dad owned a RR pretty identical to this years ago, and the driving lights were great. Hella 3000 Ralleye driving lights:

2001-land-rover-range-rover-4-6-hse-americanlisted_29102665.jpg




I'm sure the police have more important things to do most of the time. Just because you haven't been caught yet doesn't mean it's a good idea. The day you get a fine you won't be too happy.


Fuel pump, CPS sensor, MAF, fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator. Something things stop working even if they don't throw a code. How many miles?
Computer as in just that a CM (Control Module) for EVERYTHING Merc's have on for the stereo, one for rear suspension, one for the tail lights, one for the head lights and on an on and EVERY CM costs $1700 EACH.
I thought the point of fog lights were to make you visible to others on the road?
Driving lights on a Impala and a Daewoo? no thanks this look tacky as hell and ugly they dont even look good one SUVs! plus without push bars where the hell would you mount them?
What's everybody's opinion on a small pickup truck? Tacoma-Canyon-Colorado-Frontier family?
well the S-10, Senoma are good ones. They were replaced with the Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon and the Isuzu i-Series in 2004.
She's already conceded to the fact that she's going to have to keep it forever after the accident anyway.

This was the first new car she'd bought since her '76 Camaro, and has come around to the fact that she's not ever buying another new car :)
The Daewoo was the 1st new car my family owned since the 80s. :) I hope that's not totaled, Since the bags didn't deploy they probably will fix it. You can save a boatload by getting parts online vs a dealer.
 
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MatthewLTL

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In your now closed left lane law, you were bitching about people who speed, or illegally park and do other illegal, unsafe things on the road. But now you're doing something that's illegal and unsafe and it's OK. You're a hypocrite.
Fog lights in America are only 34 watts for a reason. They are designed to NOT blind people. What DOES blind people are those useless HID lights that are so bright it's like someone with brights on. I mean FACTORY HIDs not retrofitted ones. Me driving with fog, DRLs AND lights on hurts no one and in the day affects NO ONE. I never said doing it was LEGAL but its far from UNSAFE
 

D.T.

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What's everybody's opinion on a small pickup truck? Tacoma-Canyon-Colorado-Frontier family?

My Dad moved from Chevy trucks a couple of decades ago to Tacomas. His first one did 200K miles before he sold it to my cousin, and it's still running ~5 years later (and it's been way more abused). He picked up another one to replace it and it's as solid as the first, feels "showroom tight" still. Both of these trucks have seen significant coastal use, on the beach, been loaded up to capacity hundreds of times, towed, etc. The V6 in the Taco is pretty bullet proof (they were both 4WD models, of course :) )

Computer as in just that a CM (Control Module) for EVERYTHING Merc's have on for the stereo, one for rear suspension, one for the tail lights, one for the head lights and on an on and EVERY CM costs $1700 EACH.

You keep quoting this number without any supporting links, no personal subject matter expertise (i.e., a certified Merc mechanic), or even personal experience[?]
 

MatthewLTL

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My Dad moved from Chevy trucks a couple of decades ago to Tacomas. His first one did 200K miles before he sold it to my cousin, and it's still running ~5 years later (and it's been way more abused). He picked up another one to replace it and it's as solid as the first, feels "showroom tight" still. Both of these trucks have seen significant coastal use, on the beach, been loaded up to capacity hundreds of times, towed, etc. The V6 in the Taco is pretty bullet proof (they were both 4WD models, of course :) )



You keep quoting this number without any supporting links, no personal subject matter expertise (i.e., a certified Merc mechanic), or even personal experience[?]
Check a few pages back. I posted a video showing these claims.

EDIT: seems like i was off ALL computers are around 600 bucks and ONE shock is 1100.
 
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yg17

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Fog lights in America are only 34 watts for a reason. They are designed to NOT blind people. What DOES blind people are those useless HID lights that are so bright it's like someone with brights on. I mean FACTORY HIDs not retrofitted ones. Me driving with fog, DRLs AND lights on hurts no one and in the day affects NO ONE. I never said doing it was LEGAL but its far from UNSAFE

And you want to replace your 34 watt fog lights with, and I quote, "vary powerful and bright 50W Bulbs". This will blind oncoming traffic. You're telling me that's not unsafe?
 

MagicBoy

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And you want to replace your 34 watt fog lights with, and I quote, "vary powerful and bright 50W Bulbs". This will blind oncoming traffic. You're telling me that's not unsafe?

Just to add some balance - the EU standard for fog lights is 55W, the same as dipped/main beam headlights.

I agree that front and rear fog lights should only be used in reduced visibility. We had issues in the UK with people front fogs instead of and in addition to headlights in the early 90s (mainly because it looked cool) which was dazzling oncoming traffic. Took the police a few of years of fining drivers to stamp that practice out.
 

bunnspecial

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The Daewoo was the 1st new car my family owned since the 80s. :) I hope that's not totaled, Since the bags didn't deploy they probably will fix it. You can save a boatload by getting parts online vs a dealer.

She was not at fault(the other car ran a red light), and the car is virtually brand new.

I advised her to insist on OEM parts and I think she will do that. Our insurance agent has been a family friend for years, and is not afraid to get rough with the other insurance to get it that way. The body shop where it is sitting is excellent, but I'm really encouraging her to get it to the dealer.

The resale value is toast, but at least having the work done correctly now will milk whatever remaining resale value is remaining out of it.
 

MatthewLTL

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Just to add some balance - the EU standard for fog lights is 55W, the same as dipped/main beam headlights.

I agree that front and rear fog lights should only be used in reduced visibility. We had issues in the UK with people front fogs instead of and in addition to headlights in the early 90s (mainly because it looked cool) which was dazzling oncoming traffic. Took the police a few of years of fining drivers to stamp that practice out.
AFAIK cars in the US don't have rear fogs.
She was not at fault(the other car ran a red light), and the car is virtually brand new.

I advised her to insist on OEM parts and I think she will do that. Our insurance agent has been a family friend for years, and is not afraid to get rough with the other insurance to get it that way. The body shop where it is sitting is excellent, but I'm really encouraging her to get it to the dealer.

The resale value is toast, but at least having the work done correctly now will milk whatever remaining resale value is remaining out of it.
We had the Daewoo fixed at the dealer when my mom got in a accident in it. We were without it for about a week or 2. When we went to pick it up a hub cap was scuffed up and the weatherstripping on the door was kinked up.

EDIT: You should post the accident into the car accident thread.

CAR UPDATE: THE DAEWOO IS BEING TOWED INTO THE SHOP TOMORROW. I MADE A VIDEO WITH THE DETAILS AND WILL MAKE VIDEO OF IT BEING HOOKED TO THE WREAKER IF I CAN. THE INSURANCE IS PAYING FOR IT.
 
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MagicBoy

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It's been about ten years since I was last in the states. At that time is struck me as plain strange that most domestic market cars flash their brake lights as a turn signal. We europeans are used to a separate amber light for that.

EU standardised on separate brake, tail, turn signals, reversing and high intensity rear fog lights (required on the drivers side only) back in the 70s I think. Oh and a reflector strip.
 

A.Goldberg

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Computer as in just that a CM (Control Module) for EVERYTHING Merc's have on for the stereo, one for rear suspension, one for the tail lights, one for the head lights and on an on and EVERY CM costs $1700 EACH.
I thought the point of fog lights were to make you visible to others on the road?
Driving lights on a Impala and a Daewoo? no thanks this look tacky as hell and ugly they dont even look good one SUVs!
Most cars at this point have a control module for things, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Windows, security/locks, abs, airbags, engine, transmission, lights, cruise control, etc. Something as simple as a standard calculator can be called a computer. I imagine they're more reliable than a bunch using a bunch of relays or vacuum system.

Rear fog lights are there to make you visible. Front ones maybe to an extent, but if they're functional its primarily widening the light front of you to show the lane markers. Fog is fog, you can't see through it so you have to go slow. If you drive slow, you don't need to look far down the road.

If you want to improve the light in front of you, but driving lights. If you don't want to spend hundreds of dollars, go out and spend $35 on a decent pair of new bulbs. $7 bulbs aren't always very good, and bulbs lose their power with time.

Fog lights in America are only 34 watts for a reason. They are designed to NOT blind people. What DOES blind people are those useless HID lights that are so bright it's like someone with brights on. I mean FACTORY HIDs not retrofitted ones. Me driving with fog, DRLs AND lights on hurts no one and in the day affects NO ONE. I never said doing it was LEGAL but its far from UNSAFE
Regular low beam headlights are 51watts, you want to add 50w fog lights. Having twice the light won't increase the glare on other drivers? It only matters the headlights other people have, not yours?

I've never had an issue with HID lights. In fact, I think they're better as they self level whereas 99.9% of halogen lights do not in the U.S.

Check a few pages back. I posted a video showing these claims.

EDIT: seems like i was off ALL computers are around 600 bucks and ONE shock is 1100.
It depends what it is. Some are under $200. Some of these "computers" aren't very sophisticated though...

She was not at fault(the other car ran a red light), and the car is virtually brand new.

I advised her to insist on OEM parts and I think she will do that. Our insurance agent has been a family friend for years, and is not afraid to get rough with the other insurance to get it that way. The body shop where it is sitting is excellent, but I'm really encouraging her to get it to the dealer.

The resale value is toast, but at least having the work done correctly now will milk whatever remaining resale value is remaining out of it.
I don't think dealer body shops necessarily do the best work, but in terms of preserving as much residual value as possible, it's probably your best bet. Too bad insurance doesn't reimburse for lost residual value.

AFAIK cars in the US don't have rear fogs.
There are many cars in the U.S. with rear fogs, but it's not a legal requirement. It's mostly European cars that do. Volvo, BMW, Audi, Land Rover, etc to name a few.

My E60 BMW in the U.S. Spec does not have rear fogs, though it can be added if you replace it with the euro spec headlight switch and recoding of the computer. In my model, the lights that function as the rear fogs in are used for the progressive brake lights- if you hit the brakes the normal brake lights turn on, if the ABS engages (asumes hard braking) the brighter rear fogs turn on. I believe the newer BMWs wil rapidly blink their tail lights under similar conditions. My moms new Volvo does this as well.
 

senseless

macrumors 68000
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What's the story with the BMW twin turbo engines from 2008-2011? I've heard some horror stories about this engine, but some say it's overblown. (not a pun). I'm looking at used 135i's, but I'm concerned about getting a crippling repair bill.
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
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Austin, TX
What's the story with the BMW twin turbo engines from 2008-2011? I've heard some horror stories about this engine, but some say it's overblown. (not a pun). I'm looking at used 135i's, but I'm concerned about getting a crippling repair bill.
Honestly, a 135i is worth neither the BMW logo nor the ridiculous repair bill every time something breaks.
 

2298754

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Jun 21, 2010
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What's the story with the BMW twin turbo engines from 2008-2011? I've heard some horror stories about this engine, but some say it's overblown. (not a pun). I'm looking at used 135i's, but I'm concerned about getting a crippling repair bill.
I think you're talking about the N54 correct? That was the older twin-turbo engine. It was super mod friendly (minor mods pushing 400+ hp), but there were tons of issues, such as injector problems, carbon build-up, turbos needing replacement, and above all, the HPFP used to grenade. BMW did step up to the plate and warrantied everything up to 100k miles (don't remember the exact coverage)

The replacement was the N55, which produced the same power, but is a twin-scroll single turbo. It wasn't as mod friendly, but they solved most, if not all, the problems with it. They're practically bulletproof now. The only issue that can crop up with the N55 nowadays is the HPFPs (rare though), but that's a pretty easy fix. BMW covers them and a dealer can do the replacement within a few hours.

For MY16, they're finally dropping the N55 and bringing out the 340i with new B58 engine.

That being said, I've driven so many N54/55 cars and prefer the N55. There is no turbo-lag with the N55 and I wouldn't be scared to own one out of warranty, but the N54? No thanks, even if BMW is footing the bill. Not worth the headache. I'd find a 1 series with the N55.

The N55 is the reason why BMW is one of the leaders in forced induction now.
 
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