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New Focus RS does indeed seem to be very impressive. Has Ford released pricing info yet? I've read a few tidbits here and there on various sites, but haven't seen *official* pricing yet.
Same price as STI or Golf R basically. $35k-40k depending on options
 

bunnspecial

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I have to say that the Focus RS is turning out some impressive specs.

I was actually really impressed with the last(mostly stock) Focus I drove, although admittedly it's been a few years. For an NA I-4, it was quite peppy.

An AWD Ecoboost I-4 should be a ton of fun, especially with all of the other driveability improvements they've made.
 

A.Goldberg

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Point is you give me **** and ACT like you are better than me as a person. You have admited that you are not perfect and ARE flawed in many ways, HOWEVER, actions speak louder than words.
Matt, the point is a difference between getting a parking ticket and doing dangerous things. That's it. I'm not taking about shift knobs and seat covers here. Yes, actions speak louder than words- and they clearly show I'm not perfect (ie I got a parking ticket). Can we move on here?


QUOTE="MatthewLTL, post: 21510035, member: 943844"]You dont even know how to change a tyre?[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with knowing how to change a tire. When it's winter, snowing/sleeting, 7:00 PM (dark), with moderate traffic, on the side of the highway with a narrow breakdown lane- I'd rather not risk my life changing the tire.
 

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2. I accept and own it. I own the fact i have a zip tied mirror, I own that I have aftermarket pedal covers and a shifter, I understand and own to the fact of adding DRLs and Fogs may not be the best. If i had 7W LED fogs they WOULDNT be used with the headlights.
Jesus christ, are you serious?

I'm pretty sure this is highly illegal. I got pulled over up north for running just my Angel Eyes and Fogs during the evening time on my BMW :(
 

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I'm actually amazed at how the US, other than Ford, has been able to make a small or midsize SUV to adequately compete in the RAV4, Forester, CRV, etc arena. GM's attempt at a midsize, car-based SUV's have all been quite atrocious.
Oh man, this is so true. The Japanese and Koreans are killing it when it comes to the SUVs. The RAV4 and CRV are just better than anything American.

Hell, even the mid-size sedans, the Japanese/Koreans seem to make a better product than the Americans. (Malibu/Fusion versus Accord/Camry/Legacy/etc)

Jeep is an interesting brand that seems to have some loyal buyers. My buddy is a MOPAR tech in Maine and he texts me every time he runs across something hilarious. Last week, they had a new Cherokee where the driveline fell out on the highway (1500 miles on the odo) and this week, FCA sent them 3 Renegades that the dealer can't sell because the VIN numbers on the cars are incorrect.
 

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i wish there were more mid tone interiors. The choice is almost always black or ivory leather. Ivory gets dirty quick and black is too hot in the summer.

I want to see more earth leather tones, such as shades of brown and dark blue. White, grey, black interiors are just boring
 

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It has nothing to do with knowing how to change a tire. When it's winter, snowing/sleeting, 7:00 PM (dark), with moderate traffic, on the side of the highway with a narrow breakdown lane- I'd rather not risk my life changing the tire.
Hit the nail on the head.

I'm not risking my life trying to change a tire on I95, I93, I90, or Storrow. Not my problem. I pay for roadside assistance and I'm going to use it.

If this was in my driveway at home, sure, I'll do it myself, but on a public road? No thanks.
 

bunnspecial

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Oh man, this is so true. The Japanese and Koreans are killing it when it comes to the SUVs. The RAV4 and CRV are just better than anything American.

I really like the Escape(yes, I'm a blue oval fan) but I have to agree on this. I was hesitant about the new Explorer, but my aunt bought one and loves it(I haven't driven it).

I've been impressed even with older model CRVs and RAV4s, and the new ones keep getting better and better. I have a co-worker who doesn't have a car and has his heart set on a CRV(He's getting married in a few weeks, and his parents are in from India for an extended stay, so he feels like he needs the space). I've taken him car shopping, and have driven every one he's looked at. They've impressed me, especially for a compact/midsize SUV.

I still like body-on-frame and rear wheel drive for larger SUVs and trucks, but you have to admit that the smaller unibody SUVs are perfect for a lot of people, do better on gas that a "traditional" SUV, and just overall have a more "car like" driving experience. Not everyone likes sloppy recirculating ball steering and being bounced around from leaf springs(although I think a lot of truck-based SUVs have moved to coils in the rear).
 

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Oh man, this is so true. The Japanese and Koreans are killing it when it comes to the SUVs. The RAV4 and CRV are just better than anything American.

Hell, even the mid-size sedans, the Japanese/Koreans seem to make a better product than the Americans. (Malibu/Fusion versus Accord/Camry/Legacy/etc)

I guess no one checked the sales of the Chevrolet Equinox or the Ford Escape and Ford Edge huh
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And the AWD system in the CRV is a joke, better of buying Subaru than Honda and Turdyota
 
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bunnspecial

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Hit the nail on the head.

I'm not risking my life trying to change a tire on I95, I93, I90, or Storrow. Not my problem. I pay for roadside assistance and I'm going to use it.

If this was in my driveway at home, sure, I'll do it myself, but on a public road? No thanks.

Agreed on this.

The last time I changed a tire on the roadside(about a month and a half ago) it was on a not-so-busy stretch of I-75 right at an on ramp so there was a generous shoulder. It took me about 10 minutes, admittedly with my dad doing all the "trunk stuff"(i.e. putting the flat in, etc).

If I were on-say-I-264 in Louisville during rush hour, there's not a chance in heck that I'm going to change it myself.
 

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I really like the Escape(yes, I'm a blue oval fan) but I have to agree on this. I was hesitant about the new Explorer, but my aunt bought one and loves it(I haven't driven it).

I had an Escape rental last week and I really liked it. Felt very "European." The top-spec EcoBoost engine was powerful and returned respectable gas mileage, but there are some problems with the car. The interior ergonomics/electronics are a nightmare. I prefer the simpler design/layout/controls of the Honda and Toyota. It's not as spacious as the CRV/RAV4, and to top it off, reliability seems to be mediocre.

I wouldn't fault anyone for buying the Escape. It's one of the best out there!

Explorer? I have no experience with, so can't comment.

I've been impressed even with older model CRVs and RAV4s, and the new ones keep getting better and better. I have a co-worker who doesn't have a car and has his heart set on a CRV(He's getting married in a few weeks, and his parents are in from India for an extended stay, so he feels like he needs the space).
What's more impressive is that used RAV4/CRVs still command unreal prices. They hold their value like no other.

Ironically, I'm not surprised your friend wants a CRV. Indians love their Hondas/Toyotas. All my parent's friends basically drive CRVs and RAV4s, so I've been around them for years. :)

I still like body-on-frame and rear wheel drive for larger SUVs and trucks, but you have to admit that the smaller unibody SUVs are perfect for a lot of people, do better on gas that a "traditional" SUV, and just overall have a more "car like" driving experience
I agree. They're perfect for the average car buyers. Quiet, economical, spacious, good MPGs, and they have ground clearance for the snow!

I guess no one checked the sales of the Chevrolet Equinox or the Ford Escape and Ford Edge huh

I'm not talking about sales. Even then, both Chevy and Ford are fleet kings. The CRV owns this segment.

The Japanese SUVs have better reliability, cheaper running costs, and higher resale than its American equivalents.

And the AWD system in the CRV is a joke, better of buying Subaru than Honda and Turdyota

You're beginning to sound like Matt.

I agree that the CRV's AWD system is lackluster, but the average small SUV buyer will never notice the difference between the Subie/Toyota/Honda. They're all fine.

If I went skiing or off-road often, The Subaru would be the correct choice, no doubt.
 
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bunnspecial

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I had an Escape rental last week and I really liked it. Felt very "European." The top-spec EcoBoost engine was powerful and returned respectable gas mileage, but there are some problems with the car. The interior ergonomics/electronics are a nightmare. I prefer the simpler design/layout/controls of the Honda and Toyota. It's not as spacious as the CRV/RAV4, and to top it off, reliability seems to be mediocre.

I wouldn't fault anyone for buying the Escape. It's one of the best out there!

I guess I'm used to Sync from my dad's MKZ. It has it's faults, and like any Microsoft product sometimes leaves you wondering "why did they do it that way?" Even so, now that I've learned my way around it I think it's a decent system.

What's more impressive is that used RAV4/CRVs still command unreal prices. They hold their value like no other.

Ironically, I'm not surprised your friend wants a CRV. Indians love their Hondas/Toyotas. All my parent's friends basically drive CRVs and RAV4s, so I've been around them for years. :)

That's one issue my friend keeps running into. He can't find a decent used one for a price he can afford. He's been talking to me about leasing, but I've tried to steer him clear of it. Ultimately, he's going to do what he wants, but if it were me I'd rather take out a loan than lease a car.

He's also afraid of buying used-which I understand-and it's a lot of the reason why I've been going car shopping with him. Until the Buick a few months ago, my parents haven't bought a used new car in the time I've been alive, and I've continued the trend. They've had plenty that they bought in the model year(usually in October or November, so usually fresh off a 1-year lease or fleet vehicles), but never new. I also had a friend in college who's dad owned a body shop and he grew up working in it. He taught me a lot about spotting repaired collision damage, and I can usually see it(at least in person) without a CarFax. One of the funniest ones he pointed out to me one day was a Camry(97-02 body style, which still brings serious cash for a car that old) that had the deck lid badges reversed from how they should be.

We'll see what happens, though. The time is ticking for him to buy it, as his parents have been here a week and they tell me that they're getting cabin fever(he didn't use that word, but at least what he described to me sounded like it).
 

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I guess I'm used to Sync from my dad's MKZ. It has it's faults, and like any Microsoft product sometimes leaves you wondering "why did they do it that way?" Even so, now that I've learned my way around it I think it's a decent system.

I'm sure if I got used to it, I wouldn't be complaining.

I've driven a few Focus (Foci?) over the years and Sync always leaves me scratching my head. For example, to sync the phone via BT, it basically takes like 10 minutes.

And then if you want to play BT Audio, it's not laid out logically. You have to go into Sync options and then BT Audio is buried under one of the sub menus, which makes no sense.

MyFordTouch (In the Escape from last week) is an improvement, but it's so damn slow. The system doesn't start playing music off my iPhone until at least 60 seconds after start-up because it needs to boot-up. I've never had that problem. Every other car I've owned... the infotainment "boots up" when you unlock the car and are walking up to it.

That's one issue my friend keeps running into. He can't find a decent used one for a price he can afford. He's been talking to me about leasing, but I've tried to steer him clear of it. Ultimately, he's going to do what he wants, but if it were me I'd rather take out a loan than lease a car.
He should just get a new one, especially with all the July 4th sales going on. I know Toyota usually does 0% APR financing around this time.

Slightly used Toyotas/Hondas are almost never a good buy. One of my family members recently bought a 1 year old RAV4 Limited with 20k miles on it and CPO warranty. He paid $2k less than a new one.

I ran the numbers for him after he bought it. He could've saved almost $20/month if he just bought a brand new one off the lot with the 1.9% APR offer Toyota had at the time. That dealer made a killing off that car. I wish he had talked to me before the deal went through.

EDIT: Toyota is doing 0.9% APR for 60months in my area for July 4th.
 

lowendlinux

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Oh man, this is so true. The Japanese and Koreans are killing it when it comes to the SUVs. The RAV4 and CRV are just better than anything American.

Hell, even the mid-size sedans, the Japanese/Koreans seem to make a better product than the Americans. (Malibu/Fusion versus Accord/Camry/Legacy/etc)

Jeep is an interesting brand that seems to have some loyal buyers. My buddy is a MOPAR tech in Maine and he texts me every time he runs across something hilarious. Last week, they had a new Cherokee where the driveline fell out on the highway (1500 miles on the odo) and this week, FCA sent them 3 Renegades that the dealer can't sell because the VIN numbers on the cars are incorrect.

I've had 4 Jeeps and I'll continue to buy them actually if I was looking at an SUV it would just be down to picking which model.
 

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I've had 4 Jeeps and I'll continue to buy them actually if I was looking at an SUV it would just be down to picking which model.
There's nothing wrong with that at all...

But one can't simply ignore all the quality issues with the new Jeeps, such as the Cherokee and Renegade. They have been atrocious.

Jeep is trying to go mainstream with both models and they simply can't compete with the likes of Honda or Toyota when it comes to quality.
 

bunnspecial

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There's nothing wrong with that at all...

But one can't simply ignore all the quality issues with the new Jeeps, such as the Cherokee and Renegade. They have been atrocious.

Jeep is trying to go mainstream with both models and they simply can't compete with the likes of Honda or Toyota when it comes to quality.

I have to agree with this. Jeep has always just sort of done their own thing. I see a lot of Wranglers around here with bumper stickers or window decals that say something to the effect of "It's a Jeep thing...you wouldn't understand"

I have to admit that I don't understand, but can certainly respect the folks who are loyal to them. There are a lot of them out there, too. I can't help but think that if they'd more or less just keep doing what they've always done, they'd be okay. Trying to become "mainstream" to me isn't a great direction for the brand to go.
 

D.T.

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The HP numbers on that thing were some 40 HP higher than anticipated. I wish it looked a little better.

Yeah, I recall something about "over 315", but this is a decent amount over that (and over the Ecoboost 2.3L Mustang).

Did you see it has like an "overboost" mode where for short bursts, the TQ can spike up 350lb/ft. Sweet.

New Focus RS does indeed seem to be very impressive. Has Ford released pricing info yet? I've read a few tidbits here and there on various sites, but haven't seen *official* pricing yet.

There's quite a bit of speculation, this is a special model variant, lots of tech, if you look at an obvious competitor like a WRX STi, those start at $35K, or $39K for the Limited Edition.

Just pulling a price out of my rear, I'd say, $37-38K, with just a few options available (maybe Nav/Audio) that could push it over $40K.
 

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Yeah, I recall something about "over 315", but this is a decent amount over that (and over the Ecoboost 2.3L Mustang).

Did you see it has like an "overboost" mode where for short bursts, the TQ can spike up 350lb/ft. Sweet.
I think the coolest thing about it is that it has a "drift" mode, where the AWD system sends all the power to the back wheels. I would see myself having so much fun in the snow with it
 

D.T.

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Yup, I'm in Boston. Actually live down the street from Ari!

Cool. I'm working on a project with Tufts Medical Center :) We probably need to get back up, haven't been since like 7 years ago, and a few days before we left, my wife found out she was pregnant ... which as you might imagine, dialed back her fun quotient :D
 
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