The Car Thread ... !

[bunnspecial]

No, only Daewoo have it on the stalk. Anyone else who does has copied them.

I guess that Nissan copied it from Daewoo too, since my first car- a '94 Maxima-had it on the stalk. That's despite the fact that the car was designed when GM still owned what would become the Daewoo plant.

I still miss that Maxima, even though I'm still absolutely in love with my LS even after 7 years of ownership.

 

[A.Goldberg]

Glad to see the totaled minivan had the fake antlers on it. Those are the Yuletide equivalent of truck nuts. Hate them.

Off topic question from the non-Christian. What do reindeer have to do with Christmas?

 

[bunnspecial]

You get 27mpg. I get 25, have 2 extra cylinders, 200 more hp, and all wheel drive. Something doesn't sound right here. Your car isn't running as efficiently as it should be. The fact that they're indicating warnings means there is a problem. That means an electrical issue. Otherwise why have have an OBD system?

For that matter, I reliably get 23-25mpg on the interstate(depending on how fast I'm going) and have 2x as many cylinders as the Daewoo, twice the weight, about 2.5x the HP and nearly 3x the displacement.

Something definitely is wrong there.

 

[AustinIllini]

GMs have ALWAYS had the headlight switch as a pull-out knob on the dash. Notice how all the cars you mentioned are foreign? There ya go.

The new Corolla you buy from our advice won't have any of that. It will just turn on its lights when needed

 

[quagmire]

The new Corolla you buy from our advice won't have any of that. It will just turn on its lights when needed

GM vehicles also have auto-headlights.

Which is making my dad into a bad driver when he isn't driving his ATS since the ATS also has auto-high beams. He'll drive the Equinox or Suburban at night forget to turn the high beams on expecting it to turn on automatically. Then forgets to turn them off for on coming cars for again expecting the car to turn them off automatically....

 

[AustinIllini]

GM vehicles also have auto-headlights.

Which is making my dad into a bad driver when he isn't driving his ATS since the ATS also has auto-high beams. He'll drive the Equinox or Suburban at night forget to turn the high beams on expecting it to turn on automatically. Then forgets to turn them off for on coming cars for again expecting the car to turn them off automatically....

1990s Daewoos don't. It's my new running gag.

 

[2298754]

The new Corolla you buy from our advice won't have any of that. It will just turn on its lights when needed

Nah, he'll pull all the fuses/relays out, so none of that stuff works. It's more hassle and money wasted for him, remember?

 

[MatthewLTL]

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/dvs/forms-documents/documents/salvageandbranding_just_the_facts.pdf

"A salvage vehicle inspection is required to clear the salvage status of a vehicle. A DVS Inspection Specialist conducts the inspection."

Like I said, A salvage title doesn't need inspection, that's only if you want to CLEAR the "Salvage" off the title.

I don't think you realize that Daewoo is essentially a manufacturing plant for GM. That's it. They designed the chassis of the Sonic and Cruze. That's the frame, body panels, and maybe parts of the suspension. That's where it ends. Think no further. They don't do the engine, transmission, or electrical design. I doubt they even do the styling of the car. I imagine aesthetic design is mostly consolidated to a universal design team so that all their cars match appropriately.

GM uses parts across all it's lineups. If you can save 25 cents by using the same grill on 3 different cars with 5 different badge names and you sell 1 million cars, you've saved $250,000. Do that times 300 parts and figure out how much money you start saving. GM probably uses 2 different turn-signal stalks between 100 model cars. Headlight switches on the stalks is not an original concept, I'd say more cars have them there these days than don't

GM builds these cars in Korea because the labor so much cheaper than the US. They bought Daewoo's factories (back from themselves, essentially, since GM owned a large portion of Daewoo before they bought themselves out and crashed). The Daewoo name is sold in Korea because of its brand recognition. Just like GM sells Holdens in Australia. No one would know what a Holden is in the US if they threw up a dealer.


That's the point of statistics. First hand knowledge is not significant data unless compared with others experiences. Knowing this information you can make predictions. From predictions you assume numbers that represent things like risk. You can't make an accurate prediction off of your own experience that hasn't occurred yet with the same controlled parameters.

Let's pretend you're sick with condition X. Untreated 90 out of 100 people die. Treated with a drug 0/100 die from the disease, but 10 die from the side effect of the medication (so basically 10 out of 100 die). What would you do- take the drug and risk a 1/10 chance of dying or not take the drug and have a 9/10 chance of dying? Or will you just listen to your grandpa's advice that Mr. Jenkins' died taking the medication?


What is your preoccupation with the word "ass"? If you get hit in the "ass" your front airbags will not deploy. The airbags probably didn't deploy because there was something wrong with them. Par for the course it seems... especially considering the recall they have out on them. Please show me the information that says the airbag did not have a fault and that the recall was preformed.


You get 27mpg. I get 25, have 2 extra cylinders, 200 more hp, and all wheel drive. Something doesn't sound right here. Your car isn't running as efficiently as it should be. The fact that they're indicating warnings means there is a problem. That means an electrical issue. Otherwise why have have an OBD system?


Someone sent me a video about your recent car repair you posted. It said you let the coolant overflow so it will stop surging out of the reservoir? Is this true? Wouldn't this mean you have low coolant?


Don't keep your keys in the ignition then?


How does the radiator overheat without the engine overheating? They're in same system bro... The coolant takes heat from the engine and sends it to the radiator to dissipate. Coolant is taking that heat. There is no such thing as just a radiator overheating.

That would mean there is air in your system.


Well its just about the same level of logic. It doesn't seem to have solved your issue either. Letting coolant leak out so it doesn't overflow is like draining oil so you don't have an oil leak.


I've changed my mind, the fact this car is still "running" (debatable term at this point and I surrender) despite what has been/is being/has not been done to it a testament for its durability and resilience. Long live Daewoo.

1. Hence them being the Daewoo Kalos (sucessor to the Lanos), and The Daewoo Lacetti-Premiere (The successor to the Deawoo Lacetti (Suzuki Forenza in the US, Swift+ in Canada, Which was a Sucessor of the Daewoo Laganza) And the Chevy Cobalt, respectively
2. 27MPG CITY not highway, I am only suppose to get between 23/26 city........
3. No, The coolant was and is still well within it's limits.
4. You tell me, Rad Control relay gone = only accessory fan running, engine in operating range, coolant surges. Rad Control relay reinstalled, fans rarely turn on (normal) tempature is cooler, surging gone (topped off the coolant btw)
5. Letting it leak out was getting rid of the back-pressure in the system.

No one is interpreting anything. It's you that has this Daewoo junk in your head.



Not really no. The Chevy Cobalt, Cavalier, etc have them on the stalk.


Nope. That is incorrect. They do go off in T-Bone accidents. That's precisely why they're there.

How do I find the ECM fuse? Where would it be?

What's a scan tool? I tried plugging my laptop into the USB port in the car, but nothing popped up. What do I scan exactly?

I really want to clear this CEL. I'm considering taking apart the dash and pulling the bulbs too!

1. The Cobalt/Caviler also have a Lanos-esque side profile, both are 4-100 wheels, both are sub-compacts.
2. When was Side curtain airbags brought up, not many late 90s and early 2000s cars had them. I was talking about the FRONT air bags.
3. LOL

Pulling a fuse/disconnecting the battery does not clear a fault code on a BMW. Honestly, if you keep resetting it and it keeps coming back, it is indicative of a problem. That's why the system is there in the first place.


No, only Daewoo have it on the stalk. Anyone else who does has copied them.


Woah, Woah, Woah, who ever said anything about side airbags. This is too sophisticated.


Hmm... did you go into the Finder? It should show up as iBMW as a device. Otherwise it show up in iTunes as a device. Just go into the settings tab and hit restore, just like an iPod/iPhone. You can try to use pocket PC and then go into windows explorer and then the My BMW folder and run the diagnostic program (after you do a defrag from the control panel of course). When it finishes press the reset button. If you have any problems just ask Clippy-

That's the best solution. No lights, no problems. Out of site out of mind.

LOL

Glad to see the totaled minivan had the fake antlers on it. Those are the Yuletide equivalent of truck nuts. Hate them.

OMG! ROFL "Truck Nuts" LOL that was a good laugh! (Seriously)

I guess that Nissan copied it from Daewoo too, since my first car- a '94 Maxima-had it on the stalk. That's despite the fact that the car was designed when GM still owned what would become the Daewoo plant.

I still miss that Maxima, even though I'm still absolutely in love with my LS even after 7 years of ownership.

Nissan Is not american, that's why.
And where is the light switch on your LS??

For that matter, I reliably get 23-25mpg on the interstate(depending on how fast I'm going) and have 2x as many cylinders as the Daewoo, twice the weight, about 2.5x the HP and nearly 3x the displacement.

Something definitely is wrong there.

23-25 Interstate? LOL i get more than that in the CITY!

GM vehicles also have auto-headlights.

Which is making my dad into a bad driver when he isn't driving his ATS since the ATS also has auto-high beams. He'll drive the Equinox or Suburban at night forget to turn the high beams on expecting it to turn on automatically. Then forgets to turn them off for on coming cars for again expecting the car to turn them off automatically....

how to auto-highbeams work? I never knew they had such a thing.

Nah, he'll pull all the fuses/relays out, so none of that stuff works. It's more hassle and money wasted for him, remember?

I'd love to have DRLs in fact the 1999 Lanos was the only one ever made with DRLs if only I could find out how that worked, there is no DRL Fuses or relays......

 

[2298754]

Which is making my dad into a bad driver when he isn't driving his ATS since the ATS also has auto-high beams. He'll drive the Equinox or Suburban at night forget to turn the high beams on expecting it to turn on automatically. Then forgets to turn them off for on coming cars for again expecting the car to turn them off automatically....

Does he leave the lights on auto-high beam mode all the time? I love the auto high beam option. So useful when you live out in the country.

I got pulled over a few weeks ago in rural Mass for running my high-beams. It was like 1 am. No one was around too. lol

EDIT:

Audi and BMW have some cool LED headlight tech in Europe, where you can leave your high beams on and the beam will "move" around other cars, so they don't get blinded. Damn you DOT!

 

[A.Goldberg]

Like I said, A salvage title doesn't need inspection, that's only if you want to CLEAR the "Salvage" off the title.

If you get your salvage titled "cleared" you will still have a rebuilt title. That completely devalues your car but a substantial amount, even if there is no signs of damage.

1. Hence them being the Daewoo Kalos (sucessor to the Lanos), and The Daewoo Lacetti-Premiere (The successor to the Deawoo Lacetti (Suzuki Forenza in the US, Swift+ in Canada, Which was a Sucessor of the Daewoo Laganza) And the Chevy Cobalt, respectively
2. 27MPG CITY not highway, I am only suppose to get between 23/26 city........
3. No, The coolant was and is still well within it's limits.
4. You tell me, Rad Control relay gone = only accessory fan running, engine in operating range, coolant surges. Rad Control relay reinstalled, fans rarely turn on (normal) tempature is cooler, surging gone (topped off the coolant btw)
5. Letting it leak out was getting rid of the back-pressure in the system.

1. "Daewoo", which is actually GM Korea, made the frame- the peice of metal the car sits on. All the other components are GM. You do realize these cars you mention were from when GM owned 50% of Daewoo up until the mid 90s. Daewoo continued to buy these parts after they bought themselves out from GM.
2. I get 23mpg driving average- most of which is city driving. I actually can get 29 on he highway with AC off and gently holding 65.
3. Ok, whatever you say. I'm just confused you say your not loosing coolant but wouldn't that become convoluted if it's surging out?
4. Your engine can overheat without your car yelling at you that it's too hot. Long term elevated temperatures do damage! When the temp warning comes on its saying you have imminent damage. Your coolant is surging when you don't have the fan on because it's overheating. That's a sign not to run your engine. Seriously Matt, this is some really dumb behavior. I can't put it more concisely. For all we know "yanking" your fuses have screwed up the temp sensor.

We're helping you with your car problems, that includes telling you you're stupid to run your car with the cooling fans off and radiator bursting coolant. Oh. My. God. Stop getting agitated and defensive.

Whatever this "experimenting" with your car you're doing is going to break it. Seriously. What happens if you run an engine with no oil? I'm going to go dump the oil out of my car and find out... Brb.

5. So you have air in your system.
6. You forgot to answer my question about statistics. Would you take the medication?

Nissan Is not american, that's why.
And where is the light switch on your LS??

I've seen a 1998 Chevy with the headlights on the stalk. What is your point here? My Jeep had the headlights on the stalk. Are you suggesting[/quote]

23-25 Interstate? LOL i get more than that in the CITY!

He has a ~4L V8 engine, not an econobox 1.6L 4cyl.

how to auto-highbeams work? I never knew they had such a thing.
I'd love to have DRLs in fact the 1999 Lanos was the only one ever made with DRLs if only I could find out how that worked, there is no DRL Fuses or relays......

There is a sensor behind the rearview mirror.

 

[bunnspecial]

There is a sensor behind the rearview mirror.

Autronic Eye

 

[MatthewLTL]

and how exactly does this "Autronic Eye" work?

 

[quagmire]

Does he leave the lights on auto-high beam mode all the time? I love the auto high beam option. So useful when you live out in the country.

Yeah he does.

About the only annoying thing about the ATS's auto high beam system is that it won't work until 25 MPH. So it will keep the low beams on if slower than 25 MPH and have to manually engage the high beams.

 

[2298754]

and how exactly does this "Autronic Eye" work?

It's not that complex actually. It's a light sensor, but is more sensitive than your normal light sensor for auto on-off headlights. It senses the oncoming traffic's light beam and sending a single to the light controller to shut off the high beams. Once the oncoming beam is gone, high beams switch on again.

Some of the newer cars use cameras in the rear-view mirror housing to do the same thing, but the camera is also used for LCA, ACC, FCW, etc among other modern safety tech hese days.

 

[yg17]

Like I said, A salvage title doesn't need inspection, that's only if you want to CLEAR the "Salvage" off the title.

Sigh...

Straight from the MN Attorney General's office:

• If a vehicle has been acquired by an insurance company through payment of a total loss claim, the certificate of title must be stamped with the term “SALVAGE.” A salvage vehicle cannot be issued registration and cannot be driven on the road in Minnesota unless it passes a salvage inspection. The purpose of a salvage inspection is to deter people from restoring damaged vehicles with stolen replacement parts. The inspector looks to see if the vehicle still has its original major component parts. Any replacement parts must be documented with original receipts. You should avoid purchasing a salvage vehicle unless you only intend to use the vehicle for parts.
• If a salvage vehicle passes a salvage inspection, the title will be branded with the term “PRIOR SALVAGE.” A vehicle with a prior salvage brand may be registered and driven on the roadways just like a regular vehicle. The prior salvage brand means that the vehicle has been in a serious accident and it may diminish the value of the vehicle.

http://www.ag.state.mn.us/consumer/Publications/TransferMVTitle.asp

 

[MatthewLTL]

It's not that complex actually. It's a light sensor, but is more sensitive than your normal light sensor for auto on-off headlights. It senses the oncoming traffic's light beam and sending a single to the light controller to shut off the high beams. Once the oncoming beam is gone, high beams switch on again.

Some of the newer cars use cameras in the rear-view mirror housing to do the same thing, but the camera is also used for LCA, ACC, FCW, etc among other modern safety tech hese days.

So the built in dash cam is a safety feature? Can you capture the video off it??

 

[2298754]

So the built in dash cam is a safety feature? Can you capture the video off it??

Yeah, it's like a 4k camcorder. You can hook up to it with a yellow analog cable or over bluetooth with a Pocket PC device.

I pulled the fuse for it in my car because its too complex for me to fix. Lowers my gas mileage too

 

[MatthewLTL]

Yeah, it's like a 4k camcorder. You can hook up to it with a yellow analog cable or over bluetooth with a Pocket PC device.

I pulled the fuse for it in my car because its too complex for me to fix. Lowers my gas mileage too

I was being serious, the smartass comeback is not necessary

 

[2298754]

I was being serious, the smartass comeback is not necessary

I am being serious... I used to use the camera when I was an Uber driver, but decided against it for personal reasons.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Front and rear dash cams for the cars is on my list of things to get.......

 

[MatthewLTL]

Since i had a little money left over from the purchase of my GPU for the MDD, I decided I would get these.

Comes in a set of 2 One for the inside dome light and one for the trunk light. They will be here Thursday.

 

[MatthewLTL]

I cam across this Saab Sonett. Is it actually worth 6 grand?

 

[A.Goldberg]

I cam across this Saab Sonett. Is it actually worth 6 grand?

Saab Sonnets are cool cars. I was just talking to BunnSpecial about them in a PM. My dads friend has a restored one (he only collects obscure things, such as this). That one looks odd with the body kit. That's not the stock look. Are you thinking $6k is high or low? It seems roughly what they're worth. The first generation models have 2-stroke engines, which is a bit odd. The later models use Ford engines I believe, which I'm sure is easier to get parts for. They are pretty cheap, even when decently restored. Their performance is atrocious, don't expect any performance out of them. The Daewoo is a faster car. Sonnets are 65hp!

They're pretty rare vehicles, but rare does not imply valuable. Your Daewoo is rare, but not valuable. My grandfather has a an Autocars Sabra (Isreali sportscar one of a couple hundred), that is meticulously clean and it's probably worth less than $25,000.

They're known for being somewhat reliable and easy to work on, unlike more complicated vehicles from the Germans, British, and Italians.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Saab Sonnets are cool cars. I was just talking to BunnSpecial about them in a PM. My dads friend has a restored one (he only collects obscure things, such as this). That one looks odd with the body kit. That's not the stock look. Are you thinking $6k is high or low? It seems roughly what they're worth. The first generation models have 2-stroke engines, which is a bit odd. The later models use Ford engines I believe, which I'm sure is easier to get parts for. They are pretty cheap, even when decently restored. Their performance is atrocious, don't expect any performance out of them. The Daewoo is a faster car. Sonnets are 65hp!

They're pretty rare vehicles, but rare does not imply valuable. Your Daewoo is rare, but not valuable. My grandfather has a an Autocars Sabra (Isreali sportscar one of a couple hundred), that is meticulously clean and it's probably worth less than $25,000.

They're known for being somewhat reliable and easy to work on, unlike more complicated vehicles from the Germans, British, and Italians.

Wasn't there a discussion on here on how much mods devalue a car? Would a car hevily modified be work $6.4K when a stock one is around the same price?

 

[A.Goldberg]

Wasn't there a discussion on here on how much mods devalue a car? Would a car hevily modified be work $6.4K when a stock one is around the same price?

It depends if the mods are valueable or not. It looks like they did a clean job with this and spent a lot of money. If it's $15 shifter and pedals from Kmart (or equivalent), it will devalue the car. If the modifications are out of place (such as "performance parts" on a non performance car, when the average buyer is looking for the stock car, it will devalue it. If you add distasteful mods to a classic, then it will ruin the value. If you have expensive modifications on the right car, done the right way, it can increase the value.

In the case of a Sonnet, I don't know what car collectors feel about modifications. It is evident that this one has had quite a bit of custom work done. Not bolt on parts from autozone.

The price of cars that old is highly variable depending on the condition of the car. I'm not exactly sure he price point on them, but they're relatively cheap. It all comes down to finding the right buyer for the car. For a Saab Purest, they wouldn't pay a penny for it. For someone who wants a modded Sonnet, then it would enhance the price, assuming there was a competitive marketplace. The demand for the Sonnet is quite low, therefore a low price.

Can you differentiate between these two-
A year old sports car modified with a tasteful body kit, reupholstered interior, turbocharger added, exhaust upgrades, etc costing $15,000.
A 15 year old Kia Rio with $50 worth of fake intake vents, decals, screw on pedal covers, and seat covers from walmart

It could be devalued, but there are not many Sonnets on the market to compare to