The *COMPLETE* list of 27" 5K Displays?

[CWallace]

ASUS announced a new 27" 5K display in their ProArt line at COMPUTEX.

The ProArt Display lineup expands with a 5K option and a QD-OLED professional monitor - Edge Up

The ProArt Display 5K PA27JCV is a high-PPI 5K professional monitor, while the ProArt Display PA32UCDM delivers QD-OLED image quality.

edgeup.asus.com

 

[EugW]

ASUS announced a new 27" 5K display in their ProArt line at COMPUTEX.

The ProArt Display lineup expands with a 5K option and a QD-OLED professional monitor - Edge Up

The ProArt Display 5K PA27JCV is a high-PPI 5K professional monitor, while the ProArt Display PA32UCDM delivers QD-OLED image quality.

edgeup.asus.com

Nice to hear, but I'd rather see 30" 5K. Too bad it seems nobody wants to make this combination.

BTW, I bought two Asus ProArts and returned them both. One was a 1440p 32" so it was more the poor pixel density, but the other reason is it had significant backlight bleed. The other was a 4K 32" but it also had significant backlight bleed. Very disappointing. The colour calibration seemed good on both by eyeballing it though, which goes along with their claimed factory Calman calibration.

I ended up buying a 28" Huawei 4K+ (see my sig) which has absolutely no backlight bleed, but for which the factory calibration was terrible (despite their claimed delta error <2). Looks great after calibration with a Spyder X Pro though.

 

[CWallace]

Nice to hear, but I'd rather see 30" 5K. Too bad it seems nobody wants to make this combination.

You really need 6K for 32" to maintain HiDPI.

 

[EugW]

You really need 6K for 32" to maintain HiDPI.

No you don't. It depends upon seating distance of course.

5K 27": 218 ppi - Retina seating distance 15.8".
5K 30": 196 ppi - Retina seating distance 17.6".
5K 32": 184 ppi - Retina seating distance 18.7".

Ergonomic guidelines recommend minimum 20" seating distance for a desktop computing setup. However, I didn't advocate for 5K 32" anyway, but 5K 30".

 

[PaulD-UK]

If you don’t maintain 218ppi your desktop windows change size if you move them around multiple screens.

 

[CWallace]

If you don’t maintain 218ppi your desktop windows change size if you move them around multiple screens.

And that drives me nuts.

 

[EugW]

If you don’t maintain 218ppi your desktop windows change size if you move them around multiple screens.

If you don’t maintain 218ppi your desktop windows change size if you move them around multiple screens.

Unless you buy multiple of the same screens.

Also, the pixel densities of the Mac laptops are already different from the pixel densities of the Apple Studio Display, and the iPads for that matter.

Studio Display - 218 ppi
MacBook Air - 224 ppi
MacBook Pro - 254 ppi
iPad Pro - 264 ppi

IMO, anything from about 195-200 ppi and up is fine. In fact, I'd be perfectly happy with 184 ppi. Actually, I'm currently using a 163 ppi monitor, and actually prefer it to my 5K iMac, mainly because of the default resolutions offered. macOS natively offers 2304x1536 on it, but for some strange reason macOS does not offer 2304x1296 on the Apple Studio Display or 5K iMac.

My preferred resolution would be 2560x1440 pixel quadrupled though, at 5K, but in a 29-30" screen size. Interestingly, that would be very similar to the specs of the 30" Apple Cinema HD Display. A retina version of that would be 201 ppi, with a required minimum 17.1" seating distance for Retina, very similar to the hypothetical 5K 30" screen I mentioned above with a required 17.6" seating distance for Retina.

 

[nicho]

is this new ViewSonic getting released outside of China? Price equivalent seems to be about $900.
Adjustable stand, 2000:1 IPS black panel, Multiple inputs!

VG2781-5K

I bought it this week (in China). Quite pleased with it, especially the adjustability.

Couldn't find much documentation on the KVM aspect, right now I don't have the USB-B cable plugged in so it just follows the USB-C input (as a USB 2.0 connection, which is fine for headphones).

 

[jabbr]

I bought it this week (in China). Quite pleased with it, especially the adjustability.

sweet, how do you like the text clarity / anti-glare coating?

 

[nicho]

sweet, how do you like the text clarity / anti-glare coating?

Text clarity is top notch, literally the same as the iMac.

Hadn't noticed the anti-glare coating until I came to reply to you this morning. iMac is reflecting stuff from the kitchen window 20ft behind me... no such problems with the viewsonic.

Still trying to decide placement on the desk and which is the 'main' monitor for me - the 5K or the iMac's internal monitor. iMac has the camera (and no center stage) but the viewsonic is bigger...

 

[honcho]

Still looking for a 218 ppi monitor that can accommodate a Mac Studio and a gaming PC. I live in hope.

 

[PaulD-UK]

For Apple computers 218ppi at 5K means a 27" panel.

Unfortunately for gaming, the current and past LG 5K screen panels all seem to top out at 60fps, even if you feed them with a lower resolution/higher frame rate signal.
High-rate/VRR screen panels in the gaming world are 4K or lower, and at 218ppi in the Mac world that means a 24" monitor.

 

[CWallace]

Still looking for a 218 ppi monitor that can accommodate a Mac Studio and a gaming PC. I live in hope.

The Samsung ViewFinity S9 supports TB3 and mini DisplayPort. So you could use TB3 with the Mac and minDP to DP with the PC.

The Chinese homages to the Studio Display usually offer multiple inputs, as well. The Kuycon G27-X offers USB-C, HDMI and DisplayPort.

 

[honcho]

For Apple computers 218ppi at 5K means a 27" panel.

Unfortunately for gaming, the current and past LG 5K screen panels all seem to top out at 60fps, even if you feed them with a lower resolution/higher frame rate signal.
High-rate/VRR screen panels in the gaming world are 4K or lower, and at 218ppi in the Mac world that means a 24" monitor.

Yes, it’s an annoying situation. I could live with 60fps if I got a Mac/PC-compatible display that met my requirements, ideally one with VRR. I looked long and hard at the Apple Studio Display but it has no VRR and the Thunderbolt input kinda rules out my PC.

The Samsung ViewFinity S9 supports TB3 and mini DisplayPort. So you could use TB3 with the Mac and minDP to DP with the PC.

The Chinese homages to the Studio Display usually offer multiple inputs, as well. The Kuycon G27-X offers USB-C, HDMI and DisplayPort.

Wow. Thanks for the heads-up. The Samsung gets closer to my requirements than anything that I have seen. Doesn’t seem to mention VRR despite having gaming features. I will have to investigate further. Thanks again

 

[CWallace]

The Samsung gets closer to my requirements than anything that I have seen. Doesn’t seem to mention VRR despite having gaming features. I will have to investigate further. Thanks again

Both LG and BOE only offer 60Hz refresh in their 27" 5120x2880 panels so that is what all the displays are limited to.

If you want 120-240Hz, you will need to buy an ultrawide with 5120x2160 or 5120x1440 resolution (so not Retina / HiDPI).

 

[Dark-Signature]

Both LG and BOE only offer 60Hz refresh in their 27" 5120x2880 panels so that is what all the displays are limited to.

If you want 120-240Hz, you will need to buy an ultrawide with 5120x2160 or 5120x1440 resolution (so not Retina / HiDPI).

If every fan of HiDPI monitors (5K/6K/8K) with at least 120Hz would send an email (from different corners of the world) to the panel manufacturers or monitor suppliers, then perhaps they would produce such products more quickly.

 

[patent10021]

...The Samsung gets closer to my requirements than anything that I have seen. Doesn’t seem to mention VRR despite having gaming features.

If you don't mind issues with text rendering, pixel burn in, software issues, worst Sammy customer service on the planet. You could say "you get what you pay for", but the Kuycon would likely be more deserving of that than the Sammy. The S9 was produced specifically to be a copy of the ASD. So was the Kuycon, but the Kuycon is a better copy. And then there's the fact that the S9 is matte. Why bother aiming for 218 ppi when it's matte? Then there is no daisy chain, consumes more power, no fast charging etc. S9 has audio but it's really really bad. Good enough for Youtube spoken word I guess. The S9 does have better calibration options though. I would buy the S9 if it was $500.

 

[honcho]

Both LG and BOE only offer 60Hz refresh in their 27" 5120x2880 panels so that is what all the displays are limited to.

If you want 120-240Hz, you will need to buy an ultrawide with 5120x2160 or 5120x1440 resolution (so not Retina / HiDPI).

Thanks. I looked at a couple of ultrawides but the PPI means I’m back at Square One. My current LG screen has a refresh rate of 165Hz, but I generally limit to 60FPS to keep my things cool and quiet. Also, for games, to drive a 5K screen anywhere close to native resolution, I would need a much beefier GPU than the NVIDIA RTX 4070 Ti that I currently own.

If you don't mind issues with text rendering, pixel burn in, software issues, worst Sammy customer service on the planet. You could say "you get what you pay for", but the Kuycon would likely be more deserving of that than the Sammy. The S9 was produced specifically to be a copy of the ASD. So was the Kuycon, but the Kuycon is a better copy. And then there's the fact that the S9 is matte. Why bother aiming for 218 ppi when it's matte? Then there is no daisy chain, consumes more power, no fast charging etc. S9 has audio but it's really really bad. Good enough for Youtube spoken word I guess. The S9 does have better calibration options though. I would buy the S9 if it was $500.

I’ve never owned a Samsung mon it or (or TV). That good, huh? Thanks for the honesty. You have given me pause. Maybe I should just go with the Studio Display. I know some people have it working with a PC, but from what I can tell, the Thunderbolt is a crapshoot of incompatible chips and hubs. The fact that my CPU/motherboard are AMD complicates matters further. I’d probably have to switch to Intel. Sigh.

 

[marko232]

The situation is a bit ridiculous with only two viable options the Asus and Apple's display. I just bought a macbook for the first time and even with disabling font smoothing I can't get a non-blurry text on my external 4k monitors.

Praying Apple updates the studio display in the spring, otherwise I have to get the Asus even though it is pretty outdate in it's technology (no high refresh rate and a standard IPS)..

 

[Brake]

Where did you buy your Viewsonic VG2781 5k from??

Also is it DisplayPort 1.2 or 1.4?

sorry, I've just saw your message. I bought it in china, using russian service "cdek" (I from russia).
And I don't use DisplayPort.. only usb-c for my MacBook.

After 6 months of using Viewsonic VG2781 5k can say that it's great display. No problems at all.
Here's a little report:

USB hub working well (can compare with Xiaomi 4k display, where I had problems with hub every day):
- main usb-c port using with MacBook Pro 14
- second usb-c use for charging iPhone (really 15w output)
- one usb-a use for audio device
- second usb-a use for charging apple mouse, apple keyboard and other (about 5w)
- I have third empty usb-a port (great!)
And I can charge all this devices at same time, no problems with display power.

Anti-glare is top for me. I don't like matte displays, but Viewsonic has special film and it looks great. Like glossy and like matte at same time. Text clarity is well too. I hadn't any inconveniences on summer (working near the big window).

Speakers only for zoom/YouTube.

Black color is black (for IPS), better than on my old iMac 5k 2017. Glow effect is well too (like on Mac displays)

Ah, the speed of turning on after sleep the MacBook with Viewsonic is like iMac 5k 2017.

 

[joevt]

sorry, I've just saw your message. I bought it in china, using russian service "cdek" (I from russia).
And I don't use DisplayPort.. only usb-c for my MacBook.

After 6 months of using Viewsonic VG2781 5k can say that it's great display. No problems at all.

USB-C uses DisplayPort.
MacBookPro14 is a 2017 Intel model. You can use AllRez on an Intel Mac to get DisplayPort info from the display.
It will report the DisplayPort version, the link rate and the link width. It will show the display modes with color format, and color depth for each. It will show whether DSC is used or not. It will show the DSC capabilities of the display, etc.

 

[nicho]

USB-C uses DisplayPort.
MacBookPro14 is a 2017 Intel model. You can use AllRez on an Intel Mac to get DisplayPort info from the display.
It will report the DisplayPort version, the link rate and the link width. It will show the display modes with color format, and color depth for each. It will show whether DSC is used or not. It will show the DSC capabilities of the display, etc.

Looks more like a 14" MacBook Pro to me in that picture...

Also have the same monitor so I can help if you suggest something that works with M series chips (I have an M1 iMac).

FYI the monitor has an actual displayport input that the manual says is DP1.4, which is likely the source of the other poster's confusion.

 

[joevt]

Looks more like a 14" MacBook Pro to me in that picture...

I didn't notice the MacBook Pro in the picture. I thought he meant MacBookPro14,1. If he had an Intel Mac still, then the display could be connected to that and AllRez can dump the DisplayPort info.

 

[EugW]

The situation is a bit ridiculous with only two viable options the Asus and Apple's display. I just bought a macbook for the first time and even with disabling font smoothing I can't get a non-blurry text on my external 4k monitors.

Praying Apple updates the studio display in the spring, otherwise I have to get the Asus even though it is pretty outdate in it's technology (no high refresh rate and a standard IPS)..

If they update the display in 2025, I would guess they may do it at the same time as the Mac Studio, which may be late spring to summer.

 

[Brake]

I didn't notice the MacBook Pro in the picture. I thought he meant MacBookPro14,1. If he had an Intel Mac still, then the display could be connected to that and AllRez can dump the DisplayPort info.

it's MacBook Pro m3 pro 14"