The difference between LAG & STUTTER and why it matters!

[Traverse]

I want to agree .. well half of me does. Some aspects are more stable while others are .. iCrap

Safari doesn't crash like it used to, but it does have a starnge bug sometimes when going into a private session where it freezes. I have to quit the app and then tap the safari icon 2/3 times to get it to open.

 

[dk001]

Safari doesn't crash like it used to, but it does have a starnge bug sometimes when going into a private session where it freezes. I have to quit the app and then tap the safari icon 2/3 times to get it to open.

Exactly - little things that make using it better in some ways, worse in others. Like you, Safari - I'll select Open another Tab and the tab may have the title, it may load in the background, it may say Favorites instead of the title, or it just may load blank. Usually it works. Usually. Sometimes I don't know if I'd rather have the tab reloads/crashes.

So many things that scream out to me as "poor software quality control".

 

[Vexxx]

And comparing smoothness instead of performance is well silly, imo.

If fps vary between 30 and 60 I do not call it good performance. Good performance should be steady. Result of steady good performance is smoothess.

Phone is fully usable that is true. That makes it ok to tolerate varying performance? Car would be fully usable also, when it's speed would vary between 30 and 60 mph keeping gas pedal at the same position. Remind me not to buy Apple car, if it some day exists.

 

[I7guy]

If fps vary between 30 and 60 I do not call it good performance. Good performance should be steady. Result of steady good performance is smoothess.

Phone is fully usable that is true. That makes it ok to tolerate varying performance? Car would be fully usable also, when it's speed would vary between 30 and 60 mph keeping gas pedal at the same position. Remind me not to buy Apple car, if it some day exists.

The analogy is not really spot. Regardless of the animation rate it takes x milliseconds to complete an action. Slower frame rates don't make it longer, it's less frames that are displaying. A more apt analogy would be comparing the zero to 60 of two cars that are the same. However one is faster 0 to 30 and the other is faster 30 to sixty; but both equal 0 to 60.

 

[dark_knight177]

Slower frame rates don't make it longer, it's less frames that are displaying

Okay I think I get it now. Back when iOS was fluid and smooth every iPhone user would criticize Android for slower frame rates and stutters. Now that tables have turned, slow frame rates are no longer considered bad by iPhone users.
Awesome!!!

Same thing happened back when Apple criticized stylus, styli were considered horrible and unusable. Now that Apple has released one, it suddenly became awesome! Despite Apple calling it a pencil it's still a glorified stylus.

Just watch what happens when Apple releases a toaster-fridge hybrid in 2017, after merging iOS and OS X. I guarantee that every Apple user on this board will be touting it as revolutionary and genius for inventing something that didn't exist before.

 

[I7guy]

Okay I think I get it now. Back when iOS was fluid and smooth every iPhone user would criticize Android for slower frame rates and stutters. Now that tables have turned, slow frame rates are no longer considered bad by iPhone users.
Awesome!!!

Same thing happened back when Apple criticized stylus, styli were considered horrible and unusable. Now that Apple has released one, it suddenly became awesome! Despite Apple calling it a pencil it's still a glorified stylus.

I wonder what's next.

I was wondering who was going totally misstate what Was posted. You have a non-sequitur in your post even though you tried to connect the dots with "same thing..."

 

[Vexxx]

I admit analogy was provocative. Better analogy is two drivers starting to drive with a car having stick gear and clutch.

Other driver uses clutch so that car starts to move really smooth and you can drink your cola while moving. Other driver uses clutch so that car starts to move really jerky and your cola is all over your shirt and trousers.

Which ride would you choose?

 

[Radon87000]

The analogy is not really spot. Regardless of the animation rate it takes x milliseconds to complete an action. Slower frame rates don't make it longer, it's less frames that are displaying. A more apt analogy would be comparing the zero to 60 of two cars that are the same. However one is faster 0 to 30 and the other is faster 30 to sixty; but both equal 0 to 60.

If you actually watch fps comparisons between 2 GPUs in gaming,the one with less frames is always behind the one which is faster.So yes,when fps slows down in an animation it delays the end result

 

[Radon87000]

I would compare iOS 8.4.1,Android Marshmallow and iOS 9 like this.iOS 8.4.1,Android is the Rolls Royce to iOS 9's sports SUV.The Rolls may not be as feature complete in every situation, but it takes bumps and potholes in the road like they're not even there. The SUV soaks them up without being the worse for wear, but it never feels as graceful doing it which summarise iOS 9

 

[C DM]

I admit analogy was provocative. Better analogy is two drivers starting to drive with a car having stick gear and clutch.

Other driver uses clutch so that car starts to move really smooth and you can drink your cola while moving. Other driver uses clutch so that car starts to move really jerky and your cola is all over your shirt and trousers.

Which ride would you choose?

A stutter in some animations doesn't result in anything even similar to wet and stained clothing.

 

[Max(IT)]

People complain because they have a reason. Denying their observations makers zero sense. If you don't notice lag, just leave these threads instead of just denying it.

It doesn't matter what you would like to have on this forum ... threads aren't just a place where complainers join to bash Apple.
So I'm absolutely entitled to came here and say "I have no lags".

 

[Vexxx]

A stutter in some animations doesn't result in anything even similar to wet and stained clothing.

Well, I would choose smoother ride even if I do not have any cola.

 

[dk001]

Well, I would choose smoother ride even if I do not have any cola.

True.
Still, there are some horses here that you can lead to water but can't get them to drink.

 

[scjr]

Still, there are some horses here that you can lead to water but can't get them to drink.

Yet there are many more who drink and enjoy the water, because they don't over analyze every mineral in it.

 

[C DM]

Well, I would choose smoother ride even if I do not have any cola.

Certainly most would. Just as most wouldn't find it that big of a deal if they had to ride with someone that doesn't shift smoothly in particular if most of everything else about the car and the driver was fitting to them.

[And just to reiterate and emphasize again, since this seems to continuosily get lost or ignored when convenient, none of this is to say that (sticking to the analogy) the shifting shouldn't be smoother or that people wouldn't be better off if it was, simply to say that for many, and really in general, it's not nearly as bad as some have been trying to make it seem (like even the original flawed analogy in this case made it seem).]

 

[dk001]

Yet there are many more who drink and enjoy the water, because they don't over analyze every mineral in it.

or is that "irregardless of the minerals in it"?

 

[scjr]

or is that "irregardless of the minerals in it"?

Of course, because irregardless of the minerals in a glass of water one mineral does not make the water. In its totality, you enjoy every delicious gulp. Of course, you could drink the water obsessing that one inert mineral will totally ruin your thirst quenching experience.

 

[Vexxx]

simply to say that for many, and really in general, it's not nearly as bad as some have been trying to make it seem]

I would guess that strong reaction is due to broken promise by Apple.

Thinking again, they have still time to keep what they promised for ios 9.

 

[Radon87000]

Yet there are many more who drink and enjoy the water, because they don't over analyze every mineral in it.

Except the water used to be much more pure before

 

[Max(IT)]

I would guess that strong reaction is due to broken promise by Apple.

Thinking again, they have still time to keep what they promised for ios 9.

partially true (marketing exaggerating everything) and partially people comparing X.4 version of iOS with a Y.1 ....

 

[madmad]

using 6S, 9.2 beta 4

lags and stutters since 9.1... no matter how many restore i have done

and usually, the experience was that it was smooth at the beginning after restore, but would be getting more laggy along with usage... strange...

this morning, i signed out my iCloud on the 6S and chose to delete all contents. then i signed in again.

so far, the stutters cannot be found.

observation on-going......

 

[Radon87000]

using 6S, 9.2 beta 4

lags and stutters since 9.1... no matter how many restore i have done

and usually, the experience was that it was smooth at the beginning after restore, but would be getting more laggy along with usage... strange...

this morning, i signed out my iCloud on the 6S and chose to delete all contents. then i signed in again.

so far, the stutters cannot be found.

observation on-going......

Its simple really.Apple's engineers have just become incompetent as of late.

 

[Max(IT)]

Its simple really.Apple's engineers have just become incompetent as of late.

Broken record again .... plain false: Apple's engineers are better than ever.
Actually Apple employ some of the most talented people of the world.

 

[Michael Goff]

Its simple really.Apple's engineers have just become incompetent as of late.

As a product gains complexity, things are more likely to go wrong. It isn't a case of incompetence.

 

[I7guy]

Its simple really.Apple's engineers have just become incompetent as of late.

That statement doesn't accurately jive with the reality of where apple is from a sales and financial perspective.