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Radon87000

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"Bad coding" that translates into "poor use experience" usually finds its way into "the financials". So yeah, one has everything to do with the other.
Not really.A good portion of Samsung's profits from third world countries comes from low end/mid range phones and they are the definition of "atrocious".Casual users dont care about it and they make up the majority of customers.I am not a casual user.I root/jailbreak phones and tablets and install custom ROMs
 
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I7guy

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Not really.A good portion of Samsung's profits from third world countries comes from low end/mid range phones and they are the definition of "atrocious".Casual users dont care about it and they make up the majority of customers.I am not a casual user.I root/jailbreak phones and tablets and install custom ROMs
How do you know the consumers of samsungs atrocious phones find the user experience unacceptable. Maybe for basically free no one cares. But I think you are far off base if you believe people are basically blind to "what you see" and will ignore it.
 

Radon87000

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I'm watching, but not noticing. Maybe my eyes aren't good enough. I do wear glasses, so that's likely.
Heres a tip.Turn on Reduce Motion and Transparency,play with the Control Centre and app switcher,spotlight and than turn it off again.You will notice the lag easily
 

Michael Goff

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Heres a tip.Turn on Reduce Motion and Transparency,play with the Control Centre and app switcher,spotlight and than turn it off again.You will notice the lag easily

Except App Switcher sucks with reduced motion on. It barely scrolls. That's a bad experience to me.
 

Radon87000

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How do you know the consumers of samsungs atrocious phones find the user experience unacceptable. Maybe for basically free no one cares. But I think you are far off base if you believe people are basically blind to "what you see" and will ignore it.
Majority of Apple/Samsung customers are casual users who dont care about performance.Hell,I know a GS3 user whose phone runs like molasses and he finds it fast enough for his needs
 
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scjr

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If speeding up development means a worse user experience, maybe they should stop doing that.

That's assuming the majority of iOS 9 users are experiencing a worse user experience.

The reality is, it's just not the case. The average user is not sensitive to minor fluidity issues. They want their devices to work. That's all they care about.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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That's assuming the majority of iOS 9 users are experiencing a worse user experience.

The reality is, it's just not the case. The average user is not sensitive to minor fluidity issues. They want their devices to work. That's all they care about.
So you want me to lower my expectations and take what the average user would accept even if I find it to be sloppy?

I think Steve Jobs used to say something along the lines of "We make products that we want to use for ourselves, too." Apple would cater to themselves and aim high for the greatest quality they were capable of giving. What you're essentially saying is that Apple doesn't do this anymore, and they go for the minimum: a device that manages to get the job done for the average person who doesn't care. Aiming for average gives you average products. Apple doesn't (or at least didn't) make average products. Excusing issues because the average person won't notice is not really a great reason to give Apple a pass.

Tidbit: The average American doesn't know the three branches of government of the U.S.
 
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scjr

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So you want me to lower my expectations and take what the average user would accept even if I find it to be sloppy?

Never said that, but being more realistic wouldn't hurt you one bit. The reality is, there's no real ground swell out there saying that iOS 9 is as bad as some here are portraying it to be.
 

Vexxx

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It also depends on the head of R&D. I worked in a company where head of R&D said that functionality and new features are more important than user experience. So we were not allowed to do any coding for certain areas.

However, when new person was in charge user experience came more important. Then we had to do coding for the areas that were previously not allowed.

I am not saying that this is situation in Apple. Just a possibility.
 

Max(IT)

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Just look how sluggish the Control Centre is on iPhone 6.Its dropping tons of frames and no the latest release didnt fix it

There's nothing wrong in that (poorly made) video ....

I'm watching, but not noticing. Maybe my eyes aren't good enough. I do wear glasses, so that's likely.
My eyes are good, checked every six months. There's nothing wrong there if you aren't unreasonably picky for the sake of it.
 

Max(IT)

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Heres a tip.Turn on Reduce Motion and Transparency,play with the Control Centre and app switcher,spotlight and than turn it off again.You will notice the lag easily
... yes, and in the meanwhile keep jumping on one leg, while blinking with one eye and blowing with your mouth: so the lag would be more noticeable....

BTW lag and frame drop are two entirely different matters, and in your desperate attempt to spread FUD all over the forum you seem to mix up the two things.

But the frame drops disappear

Again... Lag or frame drops ? You seem confused ...

Maybe, but my experience is still lesser. And I didn't notice the frame drops in your video, so apparently my eyes aren't good enough to see it.
Because there's nothing wrong in that video.

Never said that, but being more realistic wouldn't hurt you one bit. The reality is, there's no real ground swell out there saying that iOS 9 is as bad as some here are portraying it to be.
A vocal minority is just a minority .... A forum like this isn't a good representation of the real world


It also depends on the head of R&D. I worked in a company where head of R&D said that functionality and new features are more important than user experience. So we were not allowed to do any coding for certain areas.

However, when new person was in charge user experience came more important. Then we had to do coding for the areas that were previously not allowed.

I am not saying that this is situation in Apple. Just a possibility.
I'm actually happy if heads of Apple 's R&D said "forget about 5 fps drops and focus on stability ".
Very happy.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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... yes, and in the meanwhile keep jumping on one leg, while blinking with one eye and blowing with your mouth: so the lag would be more noticeable....

Guess how many hoops I have to jump through to make frames drop here. (Hint: It's none)

 

Max(IT)

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What device are you watching it on? You have to watch in 60 FPS to see what it really looks like.
The simple fact I have to look a video at 60 fps to notice something define that as a non issue.
Is there a frame drop ? Probably yes.
Is that an issue ? Only for a picky user looking for issues...

My opinion.
 
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I7guy

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So you want me to lower my expectations and take what the average user would accept even if I find it to be sloppy?

I think Steve Jobs used to say something along the lines of "We make products that we want to use for ourselves, too." Apple would cater to themselves and aim high for the greatest quality they were capable of giving. What you're essentially saying is that Apple doesn't do this anymore, and they go for the minimum: a device that manages to get the job done for the average person who doesn't care. Aiming for average gives you average products. Apple doesn't (or at least didn't) make average products. Excusing issues because the average person won't notice is not really a great reason to give Apple a pass.

Tidbit: The average American doesn't know the three branches of government of the U.S.
Apple products aren't marketed only to those who got an "A" in US History.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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What case in point? Maybe you can be a bit more lucid and explain the connection you are attempting to make.
I brought up the fact that most Americans don't know the branches of government to make the point that it isn't a good idea to make products that only those people would be accepting of. I was saying that only seeking approval from average people won't make good products because average people aren't the best informed, and Apple doesn't make average products.

You are a case in point because first of all, knowing the branches isn't concerned much with U.S. History. That's basic government structure that all citizens should know if they are allowed to vote. You didn't seem to get that based on how you thought it was something only the smartest people would know, which leads me to believe you fall in that "average" demographic.
 
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