The difference between LAG & STUTTER and why it matters!

[I7guy]

I brought up the fact that most Americans don't know the branches of government to make the point that it isn't a good idea to make products that only those people would be accepting of. I was saying that only seeking approval from average people won't make good products because average people aren't the best informed, and Apple doesn't make average products.

You are a case in point because first of all, knowing the branches isn't concerned much with U.S. History. That's basic government structure that all citizens should know if they are allowed to vote. You didn't seem to get that based on how you thought it was something only the smartest people would know, which leads me to believe you fall in that "average" demographic.

I don't know what you learned in school or not. I learned about the government in US History 1 and 2, when I was in 7 and 8 grade. Your original post "tidbit" was attempting to make a connection to those who knew the structure of the government to those who notice/care/and are bothered by framerate drops; eg only "smart" people.

Apple makes above average products so average people can use them. And it's okay you dream up my "internet personna" and try to envision, who am I, what's my education, how much money I have, How old, handsome and charming...etc.

 

[Jayson A]

Except App Switcher sucks with reduced motion on. It barely scrolls. That's a bad experience to me.

I don't like reduce motion, but I actually like the app switcher that is used with reduce motion on. I wish I could have that even with reduce motion off. Too bad apple doesn't give us options.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't like reduce motion, but I actually like the app switcher that is used with reduce motion on. I wish I could have that even with reduce motion off. Too bad apple doesn't give us options.

So you like slow, one by one, app switching?

 

[pat500000]

So you want me to lower my expectations and take what the average user would accept even if I find it to be sloppy?

I think Steve Jobs used to say something along the lines of "We make products that we want to use for ourselves, too." Apple would cater to themselves and aim high for the greatest quality they were capable of giving. What you're essentially saying is that Apple doesn't do this anymore, and they go for the minimum: a device that manages to get the job done for the average person who doesn't care. Aiming for average gives you average products. Apple doesn't (or at least didn't) make average products. Excusing issues because the average person won't notice is not really a great reason to give Apple a pass.

Tidbit: The average American doesn't know the three branches of government of the U.S.

I agree. I don't know what it is with millions of people with their products and their statements with "it's okay," or "it's not happening to me." Maybe people are blind to see Apple's problems because they feel like

So you like slow, one by one, app switching?

It's more effective.

 

[Michael Goff]

I agree. I don't know what it is with millions of people with their products and their statements with "it's okay," or "it's not happening to me." Maybe people are blind to see Apple's problems because they feel like

It's more effective.

Are you using my words to make a point or are you saying it's more effective to have slow one by one app switching?

 

[pat500000]

Are you using my words to make a point or are you saying it's more effective to have slow one by one app switching?

Using slow one by one app switching.

 

[Radon87000]

By what 20 people? Seriously now. Obviously that is not the way it is due to the record number of sales lately. More people are buying not less.

Those "record" sales this time around included China in it which was not the case with the 6.If you remove China it's actually near equal or less than the sales of the 6 and also why Tim Cook is in bed with China because sales are flatlining in many countries.And why are we discussing sales anyway.Google Nexus is not available in many countries and combined with the fact that people like me are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem we have no choice but to buy iPhones.
Apple used to satisfy every user in the good old days,even enthusiasts.

 

[Radon87000]

That's assuming the majority of iOS 9 users are experiencing a worse user experience.

The reality is, it's just not the case. The average user is not sensitive to minor fluidity issues. They want their devices to work. That's all they care about.

Lack of these fluidity issues is what characterises iPhones.If fast enough is the criteria than even the Moto X does the job . I remember reading an objective review in which they clearly stated "Apple's obsession over 60 fps ensures these animations are silky smooth all the time whereas on Android it's more like "If you can keep it at 60 than great,otherwise whatever" .Lately though iOS is starting to become more and more like the latter

 

[Sea Bass]

I don't like reduce motion, but I actually like the app switcher that is used with reduce motion on. I wish I could have that even with reduce motion off. Too bad apple doesn't give us options.

What is this app switcher? I turned on Reduce Motion and still had the same app switcher...

 

[Radon87000]

It also depends on the head of R&D. I worked in a company where head of R&D said that functionality and new features are more important than user experience. So we were not allowed to do any coding for certain areas.

However, when new person was in charge user experience came more important. Then we had to do coding for the areas that were previously not allowed.

I am not saying that this is situation in Apple. Just a possibility.

You just stated the difference between Steve Forstall and Jony Ive.Things have been **** ever since Ive took over

 

[Michael Goff]

Lack of these fluidity issues is what characterises iPhones.If fast enough is the criteria than even the Moto X does the job . I remember reading an objective review in which they clearly stated "Apple's obsession over 60 fps ensures these animations are silky smooth all the time whereas on Android it's more like "If you can keep it at 60 than great,otherwise whatever" .Lately though iOS is starting to become more and more like the latter

iMessage? iCloud Saves? Almost no apps that randomly destroy battery life? Getting updates on the day they're released? I thought those were the things that "characterizes iPhones". Guess I was wrong.

 

[scjr]

iOS 8.4.1 was the pinnacle of fludiity.

You just stated the difference between Steve Forstall and Jony Ive.Things have been **** ever since Ive took over

Are you sure?

 

[Radon87000]

Are you sure?

How many releases did it take for it to reach 8.4.1 and how many in Forstall era?

 

[scjr]

How many releases did it take for it to reach 8.4.1 and how many in Forstall era?

According to a lot of people here, 8.3 got there and to those who really can't stand iOS 9, any version of 8 was more fluid. Of course, you said 8.4.1 was the "pinnacle" of fluidity. Then you say Ive is terrible and he was the one who got you to the pinnacle you wanted. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[I7guy]

Those "record" sales this time around included China in it which was not the case with the 6.If you remove China it's actually near equal or less than the sales of the 6 and also why Tim Cook is in bed with China because sales are flatlining in many countries.And why are we discussing sales anyway.Google Nexus is not available in many countries and combined with the fact that people like me are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem we have no choice but to buy iPhones.
Apple used to satisfy every user in the good old days,even enthusiasts.

Seems like only you care about the method in which Apple measures sales, and that's being discussed because of your comment about "inclusive" proving Apple seems to be hitting the correct market, of which sales and profit are an indicator.

 

[Radon87000]

According to a lot of people here, 8.3 got there and to those who really can't stand iOS 9, any version of 8 was more fluid. Of course, you said 8.4.1 was the "pinnacle" of fluidity. Then you say Ive is terrible and he was the one who got you to the pinnacle you wanted. Doesn't make sense to me.

I was obviously talking about the iPhone 6 and Air 2 on that. I have stated before at iOS 8 and 9 was a nail in the coffin for iPad Mini.Of course if I install iOS 6 on my iPad Mini 1 its just as fast as my iPhone 6 probably

Seems like only you care about the method in which Apple measures sales, and that's being discussed because of your comment about "inclusive" proving Apple seems to be hitting the correct market, of which sales and profit are an indicator.

You were the one who brought sales into this.Customer Satisfaction and Sales got nothing to do with each other.One of my buddies is always dissatisfied with the battery life and yet he buys the iPhone simply because of carrier headaches.O the other hand iOS used to be a terrific OS back in the day wherein there were hardly any complaints about stability and performance to the degree 8 and 9 have

 

[Michael Goff]

I was obviously talking about the iPhone 6 and Air 2 on that. I have stated before at iOS 8 and 9 was a nail in the coffin for iPad Mini.Of course if I install iOS 6 on my iPad Mini 1 its just as fast as my iPhone 6 probably


You were the one who brought sales into this.Customer Satisfaction and Sales got nothing to do with each other.One of my buddies is always dissatisfied with the battery life and yet he buys the iPhone simply because of carrier headaches.O the other hand iOS used to be a terrific OS back in the day wherein there were hardly any complaints about stability and performance to the degree 8 and 9 have

And fewer features. But let's not let facts get in the way.

 

[Act3]

And fewer features. But let's not let facts get in the way.

True, like half the RAM, a 3 year older processor, and 32 bit

 

[oldmacs]

Guess how many hoops I have to jump through to make frames drop here. (Hint: It's none)

I can see the stutter there. It does that stupid annoying stutter where the frame rate is not right, that I experience not the Mini 2. I saw it also exiting from settings, and force touch was undeniably better with reduce transparency on.

Would be great if Apple could engineer and OS that runs nicely without these issues.

 

[Max(IT)]

You just stated the difference between Steve Forstall and Jony Ive.Things have been **** ever since Ive took over

except Jony Ive is much better than Forstall in every aspect....

According to a lot of people here, 8.3 got there and to those who really can't stand iOS 9, any version of 8 was more fluid. Of course, you said 8.4.1 was the "pinnacle" of fluidity. Then you say Ive is terrible and he was the one who got you to the pinnacle you wanted. Doesn't make sense to me.

He was probably complaining about how bad iOS 8 was related to iOS 7.1.2 and will be here complaining about the terrible iOS 10 compared to "iOS 9.3.1" (or whatever version iOS 9 will reach) ....

You were the one who brought sales into this.Customer Satisfaction and Sales got nothing to do with each other.One of my buddies is always dissatisfied with the battery life and yet he buys the iPhone simply because of carrier headaches.O the other hand iOS used to be a terrific OS back in the day wherein there were hardly any complaints about stability and performance to the degree 8 and 9 have

yes because unsatisfied customers buy another phone from the same manufacturer, right ?
lol about the "days where there were hardly any complaints" ... those days just didn't exist.

 

[Max(IT)]

I can see the stutter there. It does that stupid annoying stutter where the frame rate is not right, that I experience not the Mini 2. I saw it also exiting from settings, and force touch was undeniably better with reduce transparency on.

Would be great if Apple could engineer and OS that runs nicely without these issues.

People keep posting YouTube videos about "lag and stutter" in the Control Center where there is just NOTHING WRONG to see
People keep opening and closing the Control Center (what's the meaning of that ??? ) just to see a 2-3 fps drop and point out how bad iOS is .... This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Radon87000]

And fewer features. But let's not let facts get in the way.

Nice.But what's the use of the tablet has a 3 second input lag so I can't use those extra features anyway

 

[I7guy]

I was obviously talking about the iPhone 6 and Air 2 on that. I have stated before at iOS 8 and 9 was a nail in the coffin for iPad Mini.Of course if I install iOS 6 on my iPad Mini 1 its just as fast as my iPhone 6 probably


You were the one who brought sales into this.Customer Satisfaction and Sales got nothing to do with each other.One of my buddies is always dissatisfied with the battery life and yet he buys the iPhone simply because of carrier headaches.O the other hand iOS used to be a terrific OS back in the day wherein there were hardly any complaints about stability and performance to the degree 8 and 9 have

Customer satisfaction and sales have nothing to do with one another? Even citing your flimsy example of the best if the worst do you thing Apple has 500 million dissatisfied customers? Do you think most rational people are repeat customers for products they dislike when there is a choice (as in the 2015 market)?

 

[oldmacs]

People keep posting YouTube videos about "lag and stutter" in the Control Center where there is just NOTHING WRONG to see
People keep opening and closing the Control Center (what's the meaning of that ??? ) just to see a 2-3 fps drop and point out how bad iOS is .... This is getting ridiculous.

If you bothered to watch the video, it was about 3d touch menus and simply exiting out of settings. The drop in frame rate activating 3D touch in the video is the same sort of frame-rate drop I get in my Mini 2 in so many animations, which funnily enough goes away when transparency is turned off (As demonstrated in that video). Then there are the random stutters all the time, which happened in that video when the home button was pressed while in settings.

I think it is ridiculous that Apple can't put together a mobile OS that can't just render animations and blurs well, especially when that OS was minimal on featured and was specifically meant to improve animations, speed and stability.

I think its also pretty bad that the Air 2 will lag and stutter when moving between apps in split screen mode and in 10 minutes of playing with an iPad Pro, there was the occasional stuttering. Its pretty hilarious with the overkill specs that the iPad Pro has and the powerful specs that the Air 2 have, that iOS 9 still doesn't fully cope. That is truly a sign of some poor coding or optimisation.

My $90 Windows tablet is cheap and quite underpowered, yet it can consistantly render animations, but for some reason iPads over $700 can't.

I guess though, there is no point in replying to this thread. I'll get called an Apple hater, because I don't consider stutter and lag on expensive high end products reasonable or normal.

 

[I7guy]

If you bothered to watch the video, it was about 3d touch menus and simply exiting out of settings. The drop in frame rate activating 3D touch in the video is the same sort of frame-rate drop I get in my Mini 2 in so many animations, which funnily enough goes away when transparency is turned off (As demonstrated in that video). Then there are the random stutters all the time, which happened in that video when the home button was pressed while in settings.

I think it is ridiculous that Apple can't put together a mobile OS that can't just render animations and blurs well, especially when that OS was minimal on featured and was specifically meant to improve animations, speed and stability.

I think its also pretty bad that the Air 2 will lag and stutter when moving between apps in split screen mode and in 10 minutes of playing with an iPad Pro, there was the occasional stuttering. Its pretty hilarious with the overkill specs that the iPad Pro has and the powerful specs that the Air 2 have, that iOS 9 still doesn't fully cope. That is truly a sign of some poor coding or optimisation.

My $90 Windows tablet is cheap and quite underpowered, yet it can consistantly render animations, but for some reason iPads over $700 can't.

I guess though, there is no point in replying to this thread. I'll get called an Apple hater, because I don't consider stutter and lag on expensive high end products reasonable or normal.

I do not have those issues on my 6s; with or without animations and/or transparency.