The difference between LAG & STUTTER and why it matters!

[Cakefish]

Same as how in Android 95% of the users who buy flagships dont care about updates and tinkering.The 5% who are enthusiasts buy the Nexus and slap in a Custom ROM the moment its delivered.

Huge oversimplification. You can still be an enthusiast without tinkering around with custom ROMs.

 

[I7guy]

Rest of the world are casual users.I am not.Same as how in Android 95% of the users who buy flagships dont care about updates and tinkering.The 5% who are enthusiasts buy the Nexus and slap in a Custom ROM the moment its delivered.
I know 15 iPhone users who dont even know how to navigate through the settings and refuse to update because they think it "Crashes" their iphone .On the other hand,I also know 2 users who (tired of the lags as I was) jailbreaked the iPhone to ramp up the animation speed to alleviate the issue

You made the point you are trying to dispute. That the "world" finds the performance of their idevice satisfactory, whether or not there is a high bar of technical perfection on every idevice in every nook and cranny of iOs.

There are some people who won't be satisfied no matter how "perfect" iOS is. And because these people find their Idevices satisfactory it's because they are undiscriminating and don't know how bad the performance is.

 

[scjr]

With the latest 9.2 beta my Air 2 is feeling so much smother and frame drop free. The music app is still absolute rubbish but the rest is getting very close to the 60fps experience I was looking for back when I bought it a couple months ago.

9.2 looks like it will be what 9.0 should have been all along.

I agree. Still Some work to be done, but it's getting there.

It's nice to read a positive post from someone who's sensitive to fluidity issues.

 

[Radon87000]

You made the point you are trying to dispute. That the "world" finds the performance of their idevice satisfactory, whether or not there is a high bar of technical perfection on every idevice in every nook and cranny of iOs.

There are some people who won't be satisfied no matter how "perfect" iOS is. And because these people find their Idevices satisfactory it's because they are undiscriminating and don't know how bad the performance is.

And thats the difference between the old Apple and the new one under Cook and Ive.The old Apple obsessed over every minor detail in the OS as minor as it was and went beyond what the customers want.As I said earlier nowadays Apple's attitude has become a lot like Android used to be.If its 60 fps than great,otherwise its still usable.My iPhone 6 is usable for me as it is for all of those million customers but the pleasure of using the OS is no longer there.Or its just that Android has finally caught up to Apple as regards fluidity

 

[Radon87000]

With the latest 9.2 beta my Air 2 is feeling so much smother and frame drop free. The music app is still absolute rubbish but the rest is getting very close to the 60fps experience I was looking for back when I bought it a couple months ago.

9.2 looks like it will be what 9.0 should have been all along.

Agreed.Air 2 benefits the most from these Betas but my iPhone 6 progress is standing still as far as I am concerned.However even the iPad still has lags and stutters at random times.On 8.4.1 it NEVER EVER lagged,not even once in 8 months.iOS 9 has yet to reach that level

 

[C DM]

And thats the difference between the old Apple and the new one under Cook and Ive.The old Apple obsessed over every minor detail in the OS as minor as it was and went beyond what the customers want.As I said earlier nowadays Apple's attitude has become a lot like Android used to be.If its 60 fps than great,otherwise its still usable.My iPhone 6 is usable for me as it is for all of those million customers but the pleasure of using the OS is no longer there.Or its just that Android has finally caught up to Apple as regards fluidity

There were also bugs of all types in iOS versions prior to iOS 7 and various people have had issues with different devices prior to the recent Tim and Jony era.

 

[Radon87000]

There were also bugs of all types in iOS versions prior to iOS 7 and various people have had issues with different devices prior to the recent Tim and Jony era.

You only need to look at the number of releases to distinguish between Jony and Forstall's era.Apple's pushing out all kinds of buggy updates one after the other nowadays and taking 6-7 releases before we finally get stable performance only to be broken a month later.On the contrary there was discipline in Jobs era.He would never stand for releasing buggy software just for the sake of it and taking a year to fix them

 

[I7guy]

You only need to look at the number of releases to distinguish between Jony and Forstall's era.Apple's pushing out all kinds of buggy updates one after the other nowadays and taking 6-7 releases before we finally get stable performance only to be broken a month later.On the contrary there was discipline in Jobs era.He would never stand for releasing buggy software just for the sake of it and taking a year to fix them

Right that's why iOS 5.0 was a battery killer and iOS 6.0 was released with a "perfect" maps version. However all that is water under the bridge as the SJ error is long gone. You'll have to make a decision about your future path.

 

[scjr]

You only need to look at the number of releases to distinguish between Jony and Forstall's era.Apple's pushing out all kinds of buggy updates one after the other nowadays and taking 6-7 releases before we finally get stable performance only to be broken a month later.On the contrary there was discipline in Jobs era.He would never stand for releasing buggy software just for the sake of it and taking a year to fix them

You position continues to evolve, especially for someone who said that iOS 8.4.1 was the "pinnacle" of what you thought a fluid OS should be. According to many of the folks who value fluidity over everything, any version of iOS 8 was more fluid than iOS 9.

Do you really need manufacture a Forstall vs Ive debate to validate your opinion or are you just bored?

 

[Radon87000]

You position continues to evolve, especially for someone who said that iOS 8.4.1 was the "pinnacle" of what you thought a fluid OS should be. According to many of the folks who value fluidity over everything, any version of iOS 8 was more fluid than iOS 9.

Do you really need manufacture a Forstall vs Ive debate to validate your opinion or are you just bored?

And you continue to ignore the relative position I have stated repeatedly .8.4.1 is horrible on my iPad Mini 1 and it was perfect on my iPhone 6 which is when it was the fastest.ios 6 is probably the fastest on my iPad Mini 1

 

[Radon87000]

Right that's why iOS 5.0 was a battery killer and iOS 6.0 was released with a "perfect" maps version. However all that is water under the bridge as the SJ error is long gone. You'll have to make a decision about your future path.

You just named one issue with iOS 5 and a avoidable issue in iOS 6 while I can list A LOT of stuff wrong with iOS 9.Apple was never going to catch up to Google in Maps.Even now it's still crap and it's in my iCrap folder with the rest of Apple's unnecessary junk apps which I can't remove because Apple says so although I want to. It was in no way a flaw of the OS but the company itself

I already stated I am tied by my contract and waiting for it to expire to get a 6P or a S7 unless Apple gives me 8.4.1 level performance back on my iPhone

 

[I7guy]

You just named one issue with iOS 5 and a avoidable issue in iOS 6 while I can list A LOT of stuff wrong with iOS 9.Apple was never going to catch up to Google in Maps.Even now it's still crap and it's in my iCrap folder with the rest of Apple's unnecessary junk apps which I can't remove because Apple says so although I want to. It was in no way a flaw of the OS but the company itself

I already stated I am tied by my contract and waiting for it to expire to get a 6P or a S7 unless Apple gives me 8.4.1 level performance back on my iPhone

I named one issue because I'm not going to justify going back almost 5 years to "prove" a point in an Internet forum. On the other hand stutter is just one issue also.

 

[broken202]

I don't see lag. I believe that you (whom claim to) do see it. I don't care. No one is forcing any of you to use an Apple product. If you aren't happy with how the current Administration is handling iOS versions, move on to a new product. Sell your device and get something else. Simple as that. (Although, please don't stop whining like kindergartners about this, as it's my only source of entertainment when it's slow at work).

 

[Jayson A]

Don't worry… iOS 8's performance will fade from everyone's memory as we get used to laggier and laggier software and just accept it as "good enough".

 

[scjr]

Don't worry… iOS 8's performance will fade from everyone's memory as we get used to laggier and laggier software and just accept it as "good enough".

Yes, because iOS 8 was the "pinnacle" of performance. It represented all that was good in this world and it made fluidity fans around the world rejoice in goodwill. I miss those utopian days of splendor.

 

[DoctorKrabs]

Yes, because iOS 8 was the "pinnacle" of performance. It represented all that was good in this world and it made fluidity fans around the rejoice in goodwill. I miss those utopian days of splendor.

Even with this sarcasm, you are still proving his point.

 

[scjr]

Even with this sarcasm, you are still proving his point.

What's the point? That he and you are unhappy with the iOS 9 and that for every person who is uhappy, there's plenty more who are happy?

Or is it that the majority of users that are happy can't name the three branches of government and that explains all?

 

[I7guy]

Even with this sarcasm, you are still proving his point.

What point is that? That he sees the stutter he claims to see?

 

[DoctorKrabs]

What's the point? That he and you are unhappy with the iOS 9 and that for every person who is uhappy, there's plenty more who are happy?

Or is it that the majority of users that are happy can't name the three branches of government and that explains all?

His and my point is that Apple's software quality has not been getting better and people like you are accepting lower standards. He mentioned iOS 8 being smoother than 9 and you made a sarcastic response suggesting iOS 8 wasn't all that smooth... but that still proves the idea that iOS isn't smooth like it was in 2012.

 

[C DM]

His and my point is that Apple's software quality has not been getting better and people like you are accepting lower standards. He mentioned iOS 8 being smoother than 9 and you made a sarcastic response suggesting iOS 8 wasn't all that smooth... but that still proves the idea that iOS isn't smooth like it was in 2012.

But it has also never been perfect as some have at the very least been heavily implying here and there. Yes, in some ways things have gotten worse, although it's somewhat hard to attribute it to any one specific thing necessarily. In other ways things have started to improve to some degree given the much better stability and functional execution with iOS 9 compared to early iOS 8 and 7 versions. Basically the reality lies between the extremes and absolutes of perfection and disaster, neither of which really fully applied at any point.

 

[dk001]

But it has also never been perfect as some have at the very least been heavily implying here and there. ...

So true. I traded one set of iOS 8.4.1 bugs for a set of iOS9.1 bugs. 8.4.1 was smoother however it had it's own set of issues.

I don't see lag. I believe that you (whom claim to) do see it. I don't care. No one is forcing any of you to use an Apple product. If you aren't happy with how the current Administration is handling iOS versions, move on to a new product. Sell your device and get something else. Simple as that. (Although, please don't stop whining like kindergartners about this, as it's my only source of entertainment when it's slow at work).

Here's what makes moving on ... difficult.

• I am moderately invested in iOS.
• My iPhone (6S+) is a work device ...
  • Android coming sometime next year. (had it but issues with the locked kernel).
• I use a Note 5. It runs great. I am invested in Android moderately but less than iOS.
• My Note 5 is smoother and runs better overall than my 6S+.
• I am tired of the 6+ month fix curve needed for each iOS upgrade

So... do I suffer through with just an iPhone 6S+ running so-so or continue on with a two phone system like I have?

If my 6S+ ran with the same fluidity and smoothness with jailbreak as an option as my iPhone 5 did on iOS6 it would be a much easier answer. It could do 95%+ of what I need/want.

In reality I can get by the lag and stutter. I cannot get by the myriad of other things that make my 6S+ run like a rent-a-wreck. Unless iOS takes a drastic turn toward quality I will be another who drops the iOS world.

 

[I7guy]

His and my point is that Apple's software quality has not been getting better and people like you are accepting lower standards. He mentioned iOS 8 being smoother than 9 and you made a sarcastic response suggesting iOS 8 wasn't all that smooth... but that still proves the idea that iOS isn't smooth like it was in 2012.

I like iOS 9 head and shoulders above iOS 8, better than iOS 7 and 6. If you look at the functional difference starting at iOS 6, iOS is not even recognizable.

 

[dk001]

I like iOS 9 head and shoulders above iOS 8, better than iOS 7 and 6. If you look at the functional difference starting at iOS 6, iOS is not even recognizable.

You know, when I look at iOS 6 and iOS 9, you are right; they are almost nothing alike.
Sadly.
iOS9 works better for some things, iOS6 for others.
What is apparent, iOS6 has a much smoother feel to it and so many more controls/icons/etc make more sense from a user perspective.

Could we mesh the two?

 

[DoctorKrabs]

But it has also never been perfect as some have at the very least been heavily implying here and there. Yes, in some ways things have gotten worse, although it's somewhat hard to attribute it to any one specific thing necessarily. In other ways things have started to improve to some degree given the much better stability and functional execution with iOS 9 compared to early iOS 8 and 7 versions. Basically the reality lies between the extremes and absolutes of perfection and disaster, neither of which really fully applied at any point.

I'm not asking for perfection. Stop responding to me as if I'm mad it's not perfect.

I'm not saying it is a disaster, but Apple can do better, and surely it's not the greatest if I can start making a video series of all the issues I've seen:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVQFi5tAhOgeBCheLWnovZExMXFRhQnu-

Now let's see Apple's view on perfectionism:

 

[Act3]

Here's a short vid of the 5s still running 7.0 on display at my local walmart. Very smooth if you ask me.