The difference between LAG & STUTTER and why it matters!

[C DM]

I'm not asking for perfection. Stop responding to me as if I'm mad it's not perfect.

I'm not saying it is a disaster, but Apple can do better, and surely it's not the greatest if I can start making a video series of all the issues I've seen:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVQFi5tAhOgeBCheLWnovZExMXFRhQnu-

Now let's see Apple's view on perfectionism:

You say that you know that they aren't perfect and that you don't expect perfection, but then you post videos about really obscure bugs (which are of course still bugs, but obscure nonetheless) and either directly or in some implication wonder how things like that could possibly exist at all or how Apple hasn't dropped everything to address them. Even in the very post where you say you don't expect perfection you take the time to point out that in Apple's marketing they are talking about being perfectionists.

That said, yes, they can and certainly should be better, as has always been the case. In some areas it seems that they have improved with iOS 9, not so much in other areas. Short of sending bugs and feedback to Apple, there's absolutely nothing any of us here can do about any of it, whether we agree or disagree on something (short of perhaps a completely unrealistic boycott by enough customers to make even some sort of a visible dent in their sales figures). So here we are.

 

[DoctorKrabs]

You say that you know that they aren't perfect and that you don't expect perfection, but then you post videos about really obscure bugs (which are of course still bugs, but obscure nonetheless) and either directly or in some implication wonder how things like that could possibly exist at all or how Apple hasn't dropped everything to address them. Even in the very post where you say you don't expect perfection you take the time to point out that in Apple's marketing they are talking about being perfectionists.

That said, yes, they can and certainly should be better, as has always been the case. In some areas it seems that they have improved with iOS 9, not so much in other areas. Short of sending bugs and feedback to Apple, there's absolutely nothing any of us here can do about any of it, whether we agree or disagree on something (short of perhaps a completely unrealistic boycott by enough customers to make even some sort of a visible dent in their sales figures). So here we are.

You're telling me about how I shouldn't expect perfection from Apple, who are self-proclaimed perfectionists. That was the reason for the picture.

I say I don't expect perfection because there will always be someone to say "Technically, nothing can be perfect!!!!1!!1" when I talk about how the iOS experience was better before.

I know the experience hasn't ever been literally perfect, but before iOS 7, the philosophy of perfectionism was apparent in the software. I'm only complaining because the fit and finish was BETTER, not perfect. It was better because the creators strove for perfection and got as close as they could to that. It's clear that they don't do it this way now, which is why it's laughable that their page says "We're perfectionists."

Sorry to break it to you, but perfectionism means fixing even the most obscure issues. And many of the ones I point out aren't obscure at all.

 

[scjr]

I'm not asking for perfection.


Now let's see Apple's view on perfectionism:

Are you sure you're not asking for perfection, since you pointed out Apple's job recruitment mantra?

Let's face it, you're a perfectionist too. If that weren't that case, you wouldn't be beating on your iPhone to find every last bug. But you have to ask yourself, when was the last time any human being was absolutely perfect? I doubt there's one.

I think your being unrealistic, but folks are allowed to chase unrealistic goals. It's when those goals aren't met, that major disappointment is realized. It's my opinion, that no matter how good iOS 9 gets, there will always be that one bug someone will have an issue with and they'll find someone, some company, some iOS designer to blame. It's the nature of the beast, that is wanting perfection.

 

[DoctorKrabs]

Are you sure you're not asking for perfection, since you pointed out Apple's job recruitment mantra?

Let's face it, you're a perfectionist too. If that weren't that case, you wouldn't be beating on your iPhone to find every last bug. But you have to ask yourself, when was the last time any human being was absolutely perfect? I doubt there's one.

I think your being unrealistic, but folks are allowed to chase unrealistic goals. It's when those goals aren't met, that major disappointment is realized. It's my opinion, that no matter how good iOS 9 gets, there will always be that one bug someone will have an issue with and they'll find someone, some company, some iOS designer to blame. It's the nature of the beast, that is wanting perfection.

I'm getting sick of repeating myself:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-why-it-matters.1939376/page-16#post-22316201

 

[Act3]

I think your being unrealistic, but folks are allowed to chase unrealistic goals.

It is Apple who has set those goals, they claim they are perfectionists. Nothing wrong with challenging someone or something that claims they are perfectionists when obviously they are far from it.

 

[scjr]

I'm getting sick of repeating myself:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-why-it-matters.1939376/page-16#post-22316201

You are? Then why continue?

Accept that others have a different experience than you and just move on. iOS 9 is nothing to stress over.

 

[Jayson A]

Guys, when I'm talking about 8.x, I'm ONLY talking about it in terms of fluidness and effortless animations that hardly ever hitched. I'm not saying that 8.x was perfect. Neither OS is perfect, but 8 RAN better as far as speed and fluidness SYSTEM-WIDE.

 

[Act3]

Guys, when I'm talking about 8.x, I'm ONLY talking about it in terms of fluidness and effortless animations that hardly ever hitched. I'm not saying that 8.x was perfect. Neither OS is perfect, but 8 RAN better as far as speed and fluidness SYSTEM-WIDE.

And 7 ran more fluid than 8 which ran more fluid than 9.... heading down a wrong path. Fluidness should be same if not better by now, even with a X.0 release

 

[scjr]

It is Apple who has set those goals, they claim they are perfectionists. Nothing wrong with challenging someone or something that claims they are perfectionists when obviously they are far from it.

Yes, nothing wrong with that and this is why we have a feedback assistant, to send in our bugs and we allow the "perfectionists" to work their magic. Of course, if you don't have patience or you have unrealistic goals it would appear that no amount of fixes, performance improvements will ever suffice.

There will always be something someone does not like and then they'll pull the "perfectionist" card to remind us all that only Apple is perfect in life, because they said so.

 

[C DM]

It is Apple who has set those goals, they claim they are perfectionists. Nothing wrong with challenging someone or something that claims they are perfectionists when obviously they are far from it.

Pretty much every company sets idealistic goals and rarely achieves them exactly. Pretty much every advertisement shows something that in reality isn't quite like it. That's been the reality of things for a long time. People are certainly free to call others out on it and all that, but clearly given that all of that has continued for a long time when it comes to many businesses and beyond, the practically non-existent results from efforts spent on that aren't worthwhile for most. And again, it's not likely that doing it in places like this would really do anything. But, again, people are certainly free to do it and discuss it (just as people are free to see the futility of it and talk about that aspect of it).

 

[DoctorKrabs]

You are? Then why continue?

Accept that others have a different experience than you and just move on. iOS 9 is nothing to stress over.

Derp! How about you accept that you have a different experience than ME? You're replying to my posts, which is essentially pouring gas into a fire and asking me to put it out.

Yes, nothing wrong with that and this is why we have a feedback assistant, to send in our bugs and we allow the "perfectionists" to work their magic. Of course, if you don't have patience or you have unrealistic goals it would appear that no amount of fixes, performance improvements will ever suffice.

There will always be something someone does not like and then they'll pull the "perfectionist" card to remind us all that only Apple is perfect in life, because they said so.

They can fix the existing issues and I'll be happy. They can also fix issues as they pop up to make the software better.

You also keep ignoring my entire point that the software has DECLINED in quality over time. You are pretending I'm making up these unrealistic, fairy-tale expectations when my expectations are simply the quality of iOS 6, which was an actual, delivered product that Apple created. For real. iOS 6 wasn't so impossible to get right. Calling for iOS 9 to be like it in terms of UX is not unrealistic, so stop telling me that it is.

And you want to say I have no patience when I've been criticizing Apple for things like this since iOS 7? Let's look at how everything has progressed:

2013: I say iOS 7 is sloppy, buggy, and crashy.
Response from forum users: "It's early!! Apple will fix it all soon! Give them time, iOS 7 was big!!! iOS 8 will be more refined!!!!!"

2014: I say iOS 8 is sloppy and buggy.
Response from forum users: "iOS 8 was a huge change to the foundation!!@!! Give them time! iOS 9 will be more refined!!!!!!"

And here we are at iOS 9 after two whole years, with a sloppy and buggy UI. Impatient? LOL.

I'm not a fringe critic or psychotic, impatient and unrealistic complainer. Just look what some high profile tech enthusiasts wanted from iOS 9:

 

[scjr]

You're replying to my posts, which is essentially pouring gas into a fire

You're too much.

 

[Radon87000]

I named one issue because I'm not going to justify going back almost 5 years to "prove" a point in an Internet forum. On the other hand stutter is just one issue also.

Because there aren't that many.If you look at the number of releases of iOS 6 and the super fast release cycle of iOS 9 it's clear Apple isn't even bothering to do proper internal Testing before releasing the updates.ios 6 had very few bugs hence not needing so many releases to fix them.

 

[Radon87000]

Here's a short vid of the 5s still running 7.0 on display at my local walmart. Very smooth if you ask me.

Wow that's smoother than my iPhone 6 for sure. At this point I am even ready to PAY Apple to give me the ability to downgrade my devices

 

[C DM]

Because there aren't that many.If you look at the number of releases of iOS 6 and the super fast release cycle of iOS 9 it's clear Apple isn't even bothering to do proper internal Testing before releasing the updates.ios 6 had very few bugs hence not needing so many releases to fix them.

That is certainly one assumption as to what might be behind that. Another assumption is that Apple had a slower release cycle and took longer to address issues.

 

[I7guy]

Because there aren't that many.If you look at the number of releases of iOS 6 and the super fast release cycle of iOS 9 it's clear Apple isn't even bothering to do proper internal Testing before releasing the updates.ios 6 had very few bugs hence not needing so many releases to fix them.

There aren't that many IOS 9 issues at this point. From the article listed below going back 5 years or so, some pretty nice bugs.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2010812/bugs-and-fixes-troubleshooting-ios-6.html

While none of the bugs in IOS left me "stranded" so to speak. IOS 7 was host to a number of bypasses and other vulnerabiltiies and other items. I'm positive there were complaints about performance in IOS 7, but it's useless to dig them up. IOS 8 I do agree was probably the worst of the bunch, but again never left me stranded. And to me IOS 9 is the best release in many years.

 

[dk001]

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While none of the bugs in IOS left me "stranded" so to speak. ....

What do you mean by "stranded"?

 

[Merkie]

Here's a short vid of the 5s still running 7.0 on display at my local walmart. Very smooth if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure even the 6s cannot beat that. The 6s is not much better than the 6 or the 5s in terms of fluidity and smoothness imo.

To all the people who claim they don't have any issues with iOS 9 fluidity, please look at this video and tell me with a straight face that your 5s or higher running 9.whatever performs equal or better than that.

 

[CoolKid26]

I'm pretty sure even the 6s cannot beat that. The 6s is not much better than the 6 or the 5s in terms of fluidity and smoothness imo

My 6s+ is just as smooth as what's in the video minus that phones home button press lag. I'm running 9.2beta4.

The video would have been nice if scrolling of some content was shown. Thats where I see some stutters.

 

[Radon87000]

My 6s+ is just as smooth as what's in the video minus that phones home button press lag. I'm running 9.2beta4.

The video would have been nice if scrolling of some content was shown. Thats where I see some stutters.

There are animation skips prevalent all throughout iOS 9 not just scroll stutters.On an average I see these stutters at least 20 times a day mostly when opening a folder or terminating an app and quickly scrolling through the home screen.If you want to see a guaranteed animation skip open the TouchID in settings menu and the keypad animation hangs for a split second before coming up

 

[Radon87000]

There aren't that many IOS 9 issues at this point. From the article listed below going back 5 years or so, some pretty nice bugs.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2010812/bugs-and-fixes-troubleshooting-ios-6.html

While none of the bugs in IOS left me "stranded" so to speak. IOS 7 was host to a number of bypasses and other vulnerabiltiies and other items. I'm positive there were complaints about performance in IOS 7, but it's useless to dig them up. IOS 8 I do agree was probably the worst of the bunch, but again never left me stranded. And to me IOS 9 is the best release in many years.

BS Article.
Battery Life?Heads up.Many people still feel that to be an issue on iOS 9
Wifi loss?Was an issue which lasted all through iOS 8
Music?The Music App on iOS 9 is utterly dog **** compared to the one on iOS 6 unless you are an Apple Music subscriber
Incompatible third party apps?LOL.Is the author for real?

The only real issue on that list is battery life which speaks volumes about Apple's QC policies back then.I could write an entire page on iOS 9 issues to the contrary

 

[Radon87000]

What do you mean by "stranded"?

I think he meant he never encountered the MAJOR iOS 9 bug which left many people "Stranded" with a dead phone on the slide to upgrade screen

 

[CoolKid26]

There are animation skips prevalent all throughout iOS 9 not just scroll stutters.On an average I see these stutters at least 20 times a day mostly when opening a folder or terminating an app and quickly scrolling through the home screen.If you want to see a guaranteed animation skip open the TouchID in settings menu and the keypad animation hangs for a split second before coming up

I don't see the Touch ID one. Everything is lightning fast for me except for occasional scrolling up and down. With that, Im not sure if that's the app fault or iOS.

 

[Radon87000]

I don't see the Touch ID one. Everything is lightning fast for me except for occasional scrolling up and down. With that, Im not sure if that's the app fault or iOS.

I am talking about TouchID settings.Its possible that the 6S may not have it as it has a significantly more powerful GPU than the 6 which improves certain matters as it can bruteforce its way through shoddy coding

 

[I7guy]

BS Article.
Battery Life?Heads up.Many people still feel that to be an issue on iOS 9
Wifi loss?Was an issue which lasted all through iOS 8
Music?The Music App on iOS 9 is utterly dog **** compared to the one on iOS 6 unless you are an Apple Music subscriber
Incompatible third party apps?LOL.Is the author for real?

The only real issue on that list is battery life which speaks volumes about Apple's QC policies back then.I could write an entire page on iOS 9 issues to the contrary

The book would be a he/said she said type of book.