The difference between LAG & STUTTER and why it matters!

[scjr]

So you agree its not faster which is my point.If we are arguing "fast enough" even the 5S fits the bill.But "fast enough" is not enough for a year old flagship

Fast enough for me. I see no noticeable difference in speed, that makes me long for iOS 8. In regards to stability, in my experience, iOS 9 is far superior. You base *everything* on fluidity and I do not. It really is that simple. Do you understand the difference of opinion?

 

[Radon87000]

Fast enough for me. I see no noticeable difference in speed, that makes me long for iOS 8. In regards to stability, in my experience, iOS 9 is far superior. You base *everything* on fluidity and I do not. It really is that simple. Do you understand the difference of opinion?

"Fast enough" and "faster" are two different things.You said you disagreed with the fact that iOS 9 is faster than iOS 8 only in 1% scenarios which implies you think iOS 9 is faster than 8 in many scenarios.By saying its "fast enough" you contradict your original point because the poster whom you quoted is right that 8 is faster than 9 in nearly all scenarios.There is no difference of opinion here as I agree with you that its "Fast enough" but that term also applies subjectively to a majority of non Apple phones.Its nothing special

 

[scjr]

"Fast enough" and "faster" are two different things.You said you disagreed with the fact that iOS 9 is faster than iOS 8 only in 1% scenarios which implies you think iOS 9 is faster than 8 in many scenarios.By saying its "fast enough" you contradict your original point because the poster whom you quoted is right that 8 is faster than 9 in nearly all scenarios.There is no difference of opinion here as I agree with you that its "Fast enough" but that term also applies subjectively to a majority of non Apple phones.Its nothing special

No perceptible difference in speed. iOS 9 *performs* better for me than iOS 8. Safari is far superior. No crashing here. A much more stable OS, when compared to iOS 8. Do you understand?

 

[I7guy]

So you agree its not faster which is my point.If we are arguing "fast enough" even the 5S fits the bill.But "fast enough" is not enough for a year old flagship

If faster means you can get through your workflow,

It's the "squeaky wheel gets the grease " idiom in full affect here. No one knows how much Apple takes into consideration the sentiment of the users on the public forums. And the more people that see the complaints, maybe more will send the feedback to Apple.

People have been complaining about the notification light and sd cards for years. Where has that gone, into accessibility?

Apple almost certainly has a social media department, and I'm sure they monitor it and I'm sure they know at least 5 or 6 of their customers out of 500 million are unhappy with IOS 9. Seriously I think they guage things by sales. But with an xx% adoption rate to IOS 9, they are moving along with their plan of 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 etc; addressing only very critical issues out of band.

 

[C DM]

Yes, agree with you that this have been covered multiple times. It's redundant to discuss this further.

...then why you still advocate that your device is "smooth" and reply peoples who says iOS 9 is "slow"? Practice what you preach.

Where have I been doing this "still"?

 

[C DM]

It's the "squeaky wheel gets the grease " idiom in full affect here. No one knows how much Apple takes into consideration the sentiment of the users on the public forums. And the more people that see the complaints, maybe more will send the feedback to Apple.

Since no one knows and evidence seems to point to the contrary (given many many iOS 8 and iOS 7, if not earlier, threads about all kinds of things that never got any attention to this day) it seems like it's not doing that and thus doesn't really accomplish anything, at least certainly no more than keeping this discussion ongoing (if that is somehow needed or desired for some reason) in already existing threads rather than having a new one all the time just to have the same things in it again as were there just a week ago in another thread about the same thing.

 

[Jayson A]

iOS 8 was buggy but fast
iOS 9 is stable but stuttery

Sorry for wanting what Apple advertised. Metal was to bring better performance and smoother animations.

So, they failed on that promise, but Apple apologists ignore that and say "well, it's smooth enough and gets the job done. No big deal"... Well, android is smooth enough and gets the job done too.

Also, stop bringing up stability when people are talking about lag and stutter. We know it's stable, but that doesn't excuse the lag and stuttering.

Also, iOS 8 didn't force you to wait for the entire animation to finish before tapping something else, so actually, iOS 9 makes your actions slower and less productive. That's annoying. It sometimes happens to me if I swipe back a page and wanna tap the next button, but iOS 9 doesn't respond right away.. You have to tap again for it to register.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't even use the word "stutter" and "lag" on my post above. iOS 9 brings stutter and lag that wasn't there on iOS 8. For example, mini 2 stutters on several areas (app switcher, etc) and lags while playing some game (Crossy Road, etc).

The point is, we don't need to discuss it further. The stutter and lag is real. The next actionable step is to send bug report for Apple to to fix this.

You're saying it's slower and bringing up smoothness. That's lag vs stutter, even without the words.

 

[TMRJIJ]

In what way is 9.2 faster than 8.4.1?

In every way. Want to see my devices in action?

 

[thed0g]

In every way. Want to see my devices in action?

We're waiting for those videos for 2 months now. Please do.

 

[Radon87000]

In every way. Want to see my devices in action?

Finally.Someone actually decides to show and tell .Show me the following in the video
1.Control Centre swiping in lockscreen,app switcher and Spotlight and when Siri is on
2.Pull down Spotlight animation after not using it for some time
3.Open Settings ->Mobile Data.Scroll down the list of apps
4.In the Control Centre Tap on Air Drop and the resulting animation
5.Swipe to the left of the homescreen into spotlight and than swipe up Control Center from there
6.Call a random number and tap on Keypad in call

PS-As a bonus open Wishlist on iPad Air 2,than open app switcher and scroll to the home screen

 

[scjr]

iOS 8 was buggy but fast
iOS 9 is stable but stuttery.

iOS 9 has some animations issues, but it's not stuttering all the time. The perception by some here is it's a stuttering mess or it stutters all the time. It is not and it does not. It needs some tweaking in areas and it's slowly, but surely happening in this beta run. I personally want stability and that's what I get with iOS 9.

The folks who say it stutters and needs help, I believe. The folks who says it doesn't stutter, I believe as well. Folks should leave it at that and recognize that either side won't be changing anybody's experiences anytime soon.

 

[scjr]

Finally.Someone actually decides to show and tell .Show me the following in the video
1.Control Centre swiping in lockscreen,app switcher and Spotlight and when Siri is on
2.Pull down Spotlight animation after not using it for some time
3.Open Settings ->Mobile Data.Scroll down the list of apps
4.In the Control Centre Tap on Air Drop and the resulting animation
5.Swipe to the left of the homescreen into spotlight and than swipe up Control Center from there
6.Call a random number and tap on Keypad in call

PS-As a bonus open Wishlist on iPad Air 2,than open app switcher and scroll to the home screen

Won't prove a thing. Will prove that you see micro stutters and that he's perfectly happy with his device. Leave it alone and report the bugs over and over again. They'll eventually sort it out, just like they sorted out iOS 8 in later builds.

 

[CupertinoSlave]

Won't prove a thing. Will prove that you see micro stutters and that he's perfectly happy with his device. Leave it alone and report the bugs over and over again. They'll eventually sort it out, just like they sorted out iOS 8 in later builds.

frame drops are not micro stutters. This confirms you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Gunplay]

Whenever I think my iPhone 6 is laggy I just pick up and use my wife's Note 5 for a few minutes. Despite it's super dooper wiz bang specs that thing is lag central.

 

[scjr]

frame drops are not micro stutters. This confirms you have no idea what you are talking about.

I didn't coin the phrase micro stutters and my post still stands.

It's a waste of time to post a video of micro stutters, frame drops, slow downs or whatever since one user is very unhappy and the other one is not. In that sense, I very much know what I'm talking about.

im seeing a bunch of micro stutters, I appreciate the video though

 

[I7guy]

I didn't coin the phrase micro stutters and my post still stands.

It's a waste of time to post a video of micro stutters, frame drops, slow downs or whatever since one user is very unhappy and the other one is not. In that sense, I very much know what I'm talking about.

There are professional people who photograph the iOS interface with a camera that does 10,000 frames a second looking for this stuff to report it on the fora.

 

[imagineadam]

iOS 8 was buggy but fast
iOS 9 is stable but stuttery

Sorry for wanting what Apple advertised. Metal was to bring better performance and smoother animations.

So, they failed on that promise, but Apple apologists ignore that and say "well, it's smooth enough and gets the job done. No big deal"... Well, android is smooth enough and gets the job done too.

Also, stop bringing up stability when people are talking about lag and stutter. We know it's stable, but that doesn't excuse the lag and stuttering.

Also, iOS 8 didn't force you to wait for the entire animation to finish before tapping something else, so actually, iOS 9 makes your actions slower and less productive. That's annoying. It sometimes happens to me if I swipe back a page and wanna tap the next button, but iOS 9 doesn't respond right away.. You have to tap again for it to register.

My thoughts exactly. This simple behavior change even though it seems small has a huge impact on the overall feel of the OS!! All of a sudden everything feels herky jerky and I'm tapping 3-4 times to open an app when before I'd tap once. And everything loads up a half second or second or two slower. I immediately felt this with my iPhone 6 when I'm jumped to iOS 9.1. I really hope they bring back the OS being able to register a touch mid animation again. I've gotten used to the general overall slight slowdown to the phone but making me wait even longer just for things to react is really annoying especially when they say iOS 9 is supposed to be "faster and more responsive"! It's one big step backward of responsiveness being that the phone is no longer responsive during animations as it was in iOS 8 and below!!!

As for the animations... I've always kept reduce motion on because I feel like it's faster even though I think the actual time it takes is the same. But when I do turn it off occasionally I have noticed more stutter more often than iOS 8.4.1. No biggie. I just turn back on RM! I hope they polish things back up and return it to 8.4.1 levels. The one bright spot for me is battery life has been great under 9.1 and safari (which I use a lot) has been more stable and truly faster than before.

 

[Act3]

The one bright spot for me is battery life has been great under 9.1 and safari (which I use a lot) has been more stable and truly faster than before.

Agreed, safari is a step up especially with the option to use a content blocker. Saves some data, pages load faster. I also get better battery life. However the responsiveness of the device is definitely a step backward even though Apple claimed it would be better.

 

[CupertinoSlave]

There are professional people who photograph the iOS interface with a camera that does 10,000 frames a second looking for this stuff to report it on the fora.

or just people with a working set of eyeballs

 

[Radon87000]

There are professional people who photograph the iOS interface with a camera that does 10,000 frames a second looking for this stuff to report it on the fora.

Or people,you know,who actually use their phones with all bells and whistles enabled

 

[dark_knight177]

Sorry for wanting what Apple advertised. Metal was to bring better performance and smoother animations.

Metal was never meant to bring better performance. Metal was meant to lock developers into iOS ecosystem to the point where it would be difficult for developers to port their apps into other platforms such as Android.
Don't believe what Apple's marketing says.

 

[Abazigal]

Metal was never meant to bring better performance. Metal was meant to lock developers into iOS ecosystem to the point where it would be difficult for developers to port their apps into other platforms such as Android.
Don't believe what Apple's marketing says.

As with everything Apple does, I believe the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Metal does lock developers in, but it also has genuine benefits for the platform.

 

[RebornProphet]

Metal was never meant to bring better performance. Metal was meant to lock developers into iOS ecosystem to the point where it would be difficult for developers to port their apps into other platforms such as Android.
Don't believe what Apple's marketing says.

There are performance gains, you only need to look at some of the titles that utilise Metal to see the benefits, especially on games. Sure, the aspect you speak of does exist in that a title developed on Metal would be more difficult to port to Android but to say there are zero performance gains from Metal is wrong.

 

[I7guy]

Or people,you know,who actually use their phones with all bells and whistles enabled

Or people who actually use their phones.