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sanke1

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On the other hand, do people who like IOS 9 better than IOS 8 for various reasons make these things up, just for fun? The biggest thing is Safari improvements in IOS 9, even if the other aspects are downplayed.
Who is complaining about Safari? Why do you like to go offtopic every single time? Every one knows it is about metal animations and how they stutter and feel like Android 2.1.

Stop trolling us with your offtopic comments. I am also waiting for your 60 fps smooth stutter free animations video where you were going to prove all of us wrong.
 

Narcaz

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How is it planned obsolescence when even the iPad Pro suffers from this lag?

You misunderstood me. My posts was arguing against a general pattern of planned obsolescence. At least for me El Cap improved my older machines. It is a day and night difference on the rMBP with the new Metal based animations. Therefore i suspect a lack of polishing for iOS, which even affects new products. Imo another reason could be that the iOS team was too busy with all those new products. If my memory serves me right there was a report of Apple employees, who described the Watch project as a black hole for resources. On top of that they have been working on 6S, iPP and ATV4. Animation performance, especially on older devices, certainly had a very low priority. Just a possible explanation, not an excuse.

I honestly don't know what you guys are doing to your devices. My iPad air 2 is as smooth as butter. No lag or stutter. Everything works as it should.

#smoothasbutter

I'm glad you enjoy your butter smoothness, but you fell in the same trap as a lot of other posters: broad generalizations. And why are you implying a user error? Is it really so hard to imagine that after clean installs (and a hardware exchange) someone could get the idea that maybe Apple is responsible?
 
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Radon87000

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Both my iMac and iPhone 6(s) are not familiar with the expressions "lag" and "stutter".
I own a MBA 2014 and El Capitan still has animation stutters compared to Yosemite.Try the three finger swipe to the app list.Runs at 20 fps thanks to Metal whereas it was running fluid 60fps on Yosemite with OpenGL
 

I7guy

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Who is complaining about Safari? Why do you like to go offtopic every single time? Every one knows it is about metal animations and how they stutter and feel like Android 2.1.

Stop trolling us with your offtopic comments. I am also waiting for your 60 fps smooth stutter free animations video where you were going to prove all of us wrong.
Where's your video? I'm waiting to see what your experience is like?
 

C DM

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This guy is only about Safari. Who the hell cares about Safari? iOS is a lot more than Safari.
As it is similarly more than control center and notification center where quite a bit of the whole stutter discussion ends up going.
 
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Act3

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I see quite a bit of stutter or lack of smoothness on the air 2 in safari on ios 9.2 beta 4 especially when using split keyboard, it goes away with reduced transparency on.
 

Merkie

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As it is similarly more than control center and notification center where quite a bit of the whole stutter ends up going.
Exactly, stutters are all over the place. The reason you are hearing a lot about the Control Center is because it because the issue is very apparent there and it also easy to test. No need to have the last word all the time. Try writing something down that is not an open door next time.
 

C DM

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Exactly, stutters are all over the place. The reason you are hearing a lot about the Control Center is because it because the issue is very apparent and easy to test for. No need to have the last word all the time. Try writing something down that is not an open door next time.
Safari isn't the only thing that's better with the whole OS being more stable overall. You made a comment and I made one. Does that mean you need to have the first word all the time? Seriously now. Why don't people try sticking to the topic instead of the users next time. Is it because they don't have anything to actually say but need to say something nonetheless so they turn to saying something about other users?
 
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JM

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I advice that you stop hoping, there's no fix coming. If there was, it would have come in 9.2, but it didn't.

Another reason why there will be no fix is that apple has no incentive to make older devices faster, they don't make money that way.

I found an easy solution. I just bought Nexus 6P and that was the end of all my problems with lag and constant checking for new iOS updates.

What do you like more about the 6P compared to iPhone? Animations aside... Thanks :)
 

Merkie

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Safari isn't the only thing that's better with the whole OS being more stable overall. You made a comment and I made one. Does that mean you need to have the first word all the time? Seriously now. Why don't people try sticking to the topic instead of the users next time. Is it because they don't have anything to actually say but need to say something nonetheless so they turn to saying something about other users?
You always start a debate when someone says they are experiencing lag and/or stutter. It's annoying. Especially with these super useless "other people have other experiences" posts you're making 90% of the time.
 

C DM

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You always start a debate when someone says they are experiencing lag and/or stutter. It's annoying. Especially with these super useless "other people have other experiences" posts you're making 90% of the time.
Whatever personal feelings and emotions might be, these threads and forums are still not the places to discuss users.
 
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jonnyb098

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Agreed. I don't understand how they can claim something is better, when it's actually worse. Did they test this stuff or did they just tell the marketing team to have fun with some buzz words and then worry about delivering after.

Hear me out fully before shooting the messenger......

This is the new Apple , we saw it with iOS 9, Apple Watch, Apple Music, iPad Pro.......they tell the public one thing and EVENTUALLY deliver. After two keynotes they could barely articulate how the watch will make our lives better and why we NEED one (something Steve Jobs could actually do, yes I said it......because its true). iOS 9 was said to have major performance improvements and animations smoothness. Apple Music explanation was a disaster. And iPad Pro is well( you tell us what you want to do with it and then maybe we'll adapt but for now its a giant iPad).

All of these devices and services have the potential to be amazing, simply stunning. Its painfully obvious. But Apple has now become a company of releasing products and services that are really good and mostly work better than the competition.......but are not "OMG I gotta have it" (Apple music, Apple watch, iPad Pro).

iOS 9 is a very solid release as far as stability, aside from one thing they promised us on stage which was smoother scrolling and animations. Lets save everyone a lot of grief here. YES there are animation stutters, NO not everyone notices it (I apparently have been cursed with good eyes, and I do video production so I'm more sensitive to it) So lets quite with the BS excuses. Even the iPad pro has stuttering all over the UI with a 2.2Ghz processor and 4GB of RAM. So its obviously iOS 9.1 which made things horribly worse. They made a huge deal about METAL for iOS 8 and 9 yet we see NONE of those advantages in comparison to iOS6 or 7.....games still look the same (because developers have to code for 1-4 year old hardware) and animations even on the newest devices like iPhone 6S Plus(3D touch frame drops galore) and iPad Pro are a joke. They should have ZERO animation hiccups with this hardware. So the whole point of METAL right now seems........pointless.

Apple Music......has so much damn potential but is riddled with silly bugs and inconsistencies. Especially on iPad.

Apple Watch is cool, somewhat fashionable for a smart watch and also has tons of potential

iPad Pro is really breakthrough for professionals but unless they want to sell more than a couple million, the app store needs a major overhaul to allow developers to give trials of expensive high end software. Let face the facts here, it took tweetbot over 2 years to get an updated twitter app out and other developers still have some trouble utilizing iPads, especially for gaming. The ecosystem is has become very broken in the past few years in every category on iPads. What is going to make developers pay better attention to iPad NOW????? Apple has to foster the environment. They said themselves they're pissed about all the free to play garbage and made a dedicated "pay once and play" section. SO FIX IT! You have $200 billion in the bank, start allowing demos and trials! Or buy a freaking company that knows how to do it.
 

Radon87000

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Safari isn't the only thing that's better with the whole OS being more stable overall. You made a comment and I made one. Does that mean you need to have the first word all the time? Seriously now. Why don't people try sticking to the topic instead of the users next time. Is it because they don't have anything to actually say but need to say something nonetheless so they turn to saying something about other users?
The only factual improvements in iOS 9 are Safari,the Camera and the Notes app.So yeah it's one of the limited improvements
 

JM

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The only factual improvements in iOS 9 are Safari,the Camera and the Notes app.So yeah it's one of the limited improvements
Don't forget the increase of app response time when pressing on it! That's a feature. When iOS goes too fast, I get confused and scared.
 
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Max(IT)

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Now i know for sure my devices; 5s, 6, 6s and iPad 2 are lag and stutter free.:p

Add mine to the list.

Whats worse is people trying to sweep this issue under the carpet.iOS 9 runs like crap compared to 8.4.1 and this when Apple EXPLICITLY says it should run better.This is a important issue which needs fixing.If you dont like these threads just dont click on them.Simple.
On every of my iDevices iOS 9 runs better than iOS 8.
I hope Apple focus on important matters like new features instead of wasting time listening to whiners ... And I bet they are doing that.

What's worse is being called liar or idiot (not In so many words) because your phone performs differently than other. iOS 9 seems to run better on some devices than others. But you are clearly making sure nothing is swept under the rug.:rolleyes:
On every single device Im using, an iPad Air, an iPhone 5s and and iPhone 6, iOS 9 better than iOS 8.
Just better.
I don't really give a crap about a 1 fps drop as far as Apple is providing for a better, more stable, more powerful iOS....

Don't understand why you guys still debating this.

iOS 9 in fact slower than iOS 8 counterpart. Don't believe me? Xcode can analyze your device frame rate. There's no single scenario that iOS 9 perform better.

"My device is way smoother than iOS 8, you guys who complains about iOS 9 have no life!". Then it's good for you. Just live in denial your device perform better.

Satisfied with performance is subjective. Frame rate analysis is objective.

If you satisfied with your device performance, then that's good! I'm happy for you. But attacking people who says iOS 9 slower is stupid. There's clearly a data, and you decide to ignore it.

It's been liberating for me to leave this forum for weeks. The debate is a never ending process between group of believers vs objective people.

Please, for your well being, reserve your energy for something else than arguing with these believer.
And again: who cares about the frame rate ?

I see the moaners are out in full force today.....

Wait, I just saw a 0.01 second lag on my phone.. Oh no what will we do now?
what a drama mate ! LOL
 

C DM

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The only factual improvements in iOS 9 are Safari,the Camera and the Notes app.So yeah it's one of the limited improvements
Stability is quite factual and important too.
 
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Act3

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Was iOS 8 really an unstable mess? I've had my air 2 since last November, I really do not recall it crashing or being unstable on any of the versions of iOS 8. The Air 2 was a beast of a performer out of the gate. I've spent about 10 months using it with an iOS 8 version and now about 2 months using it with a version of iOS 9. Its crashed about same number of times now, zilch.
 
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