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I’ve been thinking about it and I’m not sure. The “iPad computer” advantages used to be pretty clear. Battery, Weight, Speed and Apps. But the M1 MacBook really does seem to address all those categories. And then when you factor in price then i could see a lot people wondering why they are trying to replace a computer with a tablet.

The think the iPad as a product is fine because people like the tablet form factor. For me, I still think my ideal setup is an iMac + iPad Pro combo. For me, the 11” iPad Pro can be an excellent tablet and an okay laptop.

For my personal use, the iPad will not be replaced by a Mac because there are use cases for the tablet form factor and the  Pencil is vital for someone who works with a lot of PDFs. What this does do, however, is open the door to get the “cheaper” iPads as people move back to traditional computers.

The next few years will be interesting. I wonder if Apple and the general “pro” market will stop trying to push the iPad with Macs gaining major advances in several traditional iPad areas. If the market shifts away from Pro iPad demand, I can see Apple slowly reverting back to media centric device similar to the marketing from the original iPad through the iPad Air 1.
 
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I hardly use my laptop since I got a tablet. Most of my use is slouched on the sofa browsing the web and watching YouTube so a laptop isn't ideal for that. I'm not sure why M1-equipped MacBooks are sonehow a gamechanger? They're desirable laptops but still a laptop. Apple haven't reinvented the wheel.
 

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I hardly use my laptop since I got a tablet. Most of my use is slouched on the sofa browsing the web and watching YouTube so a laptop isn't ideal for that. I'm not sure why M1-equipped MacBooks are sonehow a gamechanger? They're desirable laptops but still a laptop. Apple haven't reinvented the wheel.
I feel the same as you. A laptop would be cumbersome for that kind of use and hardly replaces a tablet. Totally different use cases for most people I’d say.
 

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I hardly use my laptop since I got a tablet. Most of my use is slouched on the sofa browsing the web and watching YouTube so a laptop isn't ideal for that. I'm not sure why M1-equipped MacBooks are sonehow a gamechanger? They're desirable laptops but still a laptop. Apple haven't reinvented the wheel.

I assume you have 12.9 inch iPad? I agree with you that if you like to use a tablet for sofa browsing and watching movies on the sofa you would not find the MacBook attractive. Like at all.

I am on the other spectrum. Browsing the web means typing for me. Typing on a touch screen is a nightmare for me. Same is valid for iPad's hardware keyboards. No matter what they cannot beat the experience of laptop keyboard.

In terms of watching movies - well the best option for me is to use a big screen and watch it from a far (better for my eyes and my prescription). If I want to be with device in sofa though for me the laptop wins because it is lappable and I don't need to hold it. It rest on my tummy. I have to hold the iPad all the time and that for me is really cumbersome.

So for people like me where laptops make more sense on the sofa, the M1 changes the picture because if offers better battery life than iPads, improved CPU and superior RAM management which for me is handy for web browsing as it does not reload tabs.

The case where for me tablet makes sense on the sofa is reading but I am not allowed to read in bed (eye prescription and issues) so even this I should avoid as much as possible.
 

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I assume you have 12.9 inch iPad? I agree with you that if you like to use a tablet for sofa browsing and watching movies on the sofa you would not find the MacBook attractive. Like at all.

I am on the other spectrum. Browsing the web means typing for me. Typing on a touch screen is a nightmare for me. Same is valid for iPad's hardware keyboards. No matter what they cannot beat the experience of laptop keyboard.

In terms of watching movies - well the best option for me is to use a big screen and watch it from a far (better for my eyes and my prescription). If I want to be with device in sofa though for me the laptop wins because it is lappable and I don't need to hold it. It rest on my tummy. I have to hold the iPad all the time and that for me is really cumbersome.

So for people like me where laptops make more sense on the sofa, the M1 changes the picture because if offers better battery life than iPads, improved CPU and superior RAM management which for me is handy for web browsing as it does not reload tabs.

The case where for me tablet makes sense on the sofa is reading but I am not allowed to read in bed (eye prescription and issues) so even this I should avoid as much as possible.

This is why it’s great there are many options available for us to choose our desired devices. They is no best option for all and if anything I think it highlights why a tablet could never replace a laptop and a laptop could never replace a tablet. They are just so different and appeal to different audiences.
 

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This is why it’s great there are many options available for us to choose our desired devices. They is no best option for all and if anything I think it highlights why a tablet could never replace a laptop and a laptop could never replace a tablet. They are just so different and appeal to different audiences.
I agree. What I wonder is can we in the future have a hybrid device that can be both tablet and laptop depending on our needs. What I mean is a device that can:

  1. Be detached from the keyboard and become tablet
    1. In the sense of working with mobile OS (light weight)
    2. Being primarily touch controlled device
  2. Once attached to keyboard to become a laptop
    1. In the sense of working with desktop OS
    2. Being primarily mouse and keyboard controlled device
I am only dreaming. I am not saying whether it is doable or not and whether it could work or not. I am just wondering as I am one of those people that has both laptop and a tablet and I could see myself using both so I would not decline the idea of having one device that can do both.
 
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I agree. What I wonder is can we in the future have a hybrid device that can be both tablet and laptop depending on our needs. What I mean is a device that can:

  1. Be detached from the keyboard and become tablet
    1. In the sense of working with mobile OS (light weight)
    2. Being primarily touch controlled device
  2. Once attached to keyboard to become a laptop
    1. In the sense of working with desktop OS
    2. Being primarily mouse and keyboard controlled device
I am only dreaming. I am not saying whether it is doable or not and whether it could work or not. I am just wondering as I am one of those people that has both laptop and a tablet and I could see myself using both so I would not decline the idea of having one device that can do both.
I think Apple and other manufacturers could do what you are dreaming of now but have chosen not to. They are enjoying successes in both markets and a lot of people I know have both laptops and tablets, so this means more money to the manufacturers. They have tried to bridge the gap by offering keyboards to go with tablets but these are often nearly as expensive as the tablet itself and perhaps unpopular by contrast.

I dread to think how much Apple would charge for a hybrid device too lol. iPad Pro’s are already as expensive as MacBook Pro’s bizarrely.
 

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I think Apple and other manufacturers could do what you are dreaming of now but have chosen not to. They are enjoying successes in both markets and a lot of people I know have both laptops and tablets, so this means more money to the manufacturers. They have tried to bridge the gap by offering keyboards to go with tablets but these are often nearly as expensive as the tablet itself and perhaps unpopular by contrast.
This is most probably true.
I dread to think how much Apple would charge for a hybrid device too lol. iPad Pro’s are already as expensive as MacBook Pro’s bizarrely.
Well I am willing to pay for a device that can be both tablet and laptop at the price of laptop + tablet you know. However the concern you mention is valid - they might decide to charge even more.
 
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I agree. What I wonder is can we in the future have a hybrid device that can be both tablet and laptop depending on our needs. What I mean is a device that can:

  1. Be detached from the keyboard and become tablet
    1. In the sense of working with mobile OS (light weight)
    2. Being primarily touch controlled device
  2. Once attached to keyboard to become a laptop
    1. In the sense of working with desktop OS
    2. Being primarily mouse and keyboard controlled device
I am only dreaming. I am not saying whether it is doable or not and whether it could work or not. I am just wondering as I am one of those people that has both laptop and a tablet and I could see myself using both so I would not decline the idea of having one device that can do both.
Sorry, long post.

Yeah for sure it’s always nice to have less things do more. I’m sure a hybrid is at least possible technically. And I’m sure people would find it useful, but I don’t think the concept is quite as ideal as people think.

First, I agree if Apple made a hybrid, it would be expensive. I think some people do think it would save them the cost of one whole device, but it would probably be more like the cost of half a device at most. The hybrid would likely be a combination of a 12.9” ipp and a mba which now individually cost at least around 1000 each, so say 2000 total. I’d say there’s a good chance the hybrid would start close to 2000.

Other than hoping to save money, I think the three main reasons people want a hybrid is to cut down on total weight, to not have to keep track of and charge two devices, and they don’t like the idea of redundant functionality. Here are my thoughts on those:
- weight. Yes, a hybrid would cut down on total weight. This is valuable if you want to carry everything around, and more significantly so the bigger your tablet preference. But when using as a laptop, the hybrid would weigh more than a dedicated laptop (the 12.9” with magic keyboard weighs more than mba).
- not keep track of and charge two devices. If it’s a detachable keyboard, half the time you still have two things to keep track of. Yes, you wouldn’t have to charge two devices, but the obvious downside is you get half the total battery life.
- the idea of redundant functionality. I totally understand the aversion to redundancy. I hate it. But I think as long as a device has an important function that cannot be adequately filled by another device, or if it would be too compromised when combined with another device, then the redundancy is irrelevant. And once the device proves it is necessary, the redundancy is actually a good thing because it can serve as a backup device, or a side by side multitasking device (or sidecar).

Other slight downsides to a hybrid:
- detachable keyboards make the iPad become top heavy in “laptop” mode. The other option is a convertible where the keyboard base is the bulk of the device and somehow folds out of the way, but then obviously it’s heavier when used as a tablet, which not everyone will like. So both has compromises.
- this one I’m really not sure, but I wonder how the experience of switching OS and software will be for users. Will it be jarring? I wonder how it will work at a front end and back end level. Will they use the same file system? Can users use the pencil with macOS in slate mode? Will touch work with macOS too then? Will users be forced to use MacOS with the keyboard and trackpad or can they use ipadOS if they want?

So back to my point, which is I think the advantages of a hybrid aren’t as ideal as they seem to many at first glance. But the advantages can still outweigh the disadvantages for some people. I just have no idea how big that group of people is.

I think it was much clearer in the case of the smart phone and point and shoot camera combination. Even though it sneakily increased phone prices, a phone and camera was something everyone in the mainstream wanted with them at all times. It’s not clear how many people want touch slates and how many want laptops and when/how they want to use each. Also there were great advantages of putting phone and camera functionality together (sharing photos, etc). Not so much the laptop and tablet. And for the camera phone, combining them didn’t impede on the phone at all, which was the core function of the device, and the camera function was peripheral enough and/or good enough for most people that they didn’t feel the need to buy a standalone camera. I think the core function of the laptop tablet hybrid would be the laptop, but as mentioned I think the tablet functionality slightly impedes on it if it’s a detachable keyboard, being heavier and top heavy (they did it with the iPad keyboards only because they’re peripheral options). So I think a convertible might be more likely.

Who knows the future though? Apple could do it if they think the market is big enough and figure out a good implementation.

Personally, I’m not too interested in a hybrid, because I really only enjoy touch slates when they’re small, like a phone or an iPad mini, though I may not be the norm. Once they get bigger, I think I’m like you, I don’t want to have to hold them so I’d rather use a clamshell laptop (for productivity) or a big screen tv (for watching stuff - though I realize a good big screen tv is not something everyone has). The exception for me is when I’m using the pencil for drawing, then I like a big slate. But even then, I don’t need touch input or two different OSes. I’d rather just use macOS which is better optimized for pixel point accurate input. So it’s not really a hybrid I want, just a convertible MacBook.
 

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I agree. What I wonder is can we in the future have a hybrid device that can be both tablet and laptop depending on our needs. What I mean is a device that can:

  1. Be detached from the keyboard and become tablet
    1. In the sense of working with mobile OS (light weight)
    2. Being primarily touch controlled device
  2. Once attached to keyboard to become a laptop
    1. In the sense of working with desktop OS
    2. Being primarily mouse and keyboard controlled device
I am only dreaming. I am not saying whether it is doable or not and whether it could work or not. I am just wondering as I am one of those people that has both laptop and a tablet and I could see myself using both so I would not decline the idea of having one device that can do both.
Well, that is exactly what the Surface Book is all about (Edit: Though the OS is...well...)
 
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Well, that is exactly what the Surface Book is all about (Edit: Though the OS is...well...)
Quite a few Windows laptops attempt the 'all in one' machine but they're heavy and thick due to the keyboard being folded over the back. Plus having the keys exposed when you're using the thing in tablet mode is a bit of a fudge. I'm not even sure that the all in one device could really exist without compromises.
 
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Quite a few Windows laptops attempt the 'all in one' machine but they're heavy and thick due to the keyboard being folded over the back. Plus having the keys exposed when you're using the thing in tablet mode is a bit of a fudge. I'm not even sure that the all in one device could really exist without compromises.
Well, with the Surface Book, you detach the screen from the keyboard and end up with a slate which apparently has its own battery (albeit smaller capacity).
 

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Well, with the Surface Book, you detach the screen from the keyboard and end up with a slate which apparently has its own battery (albeit smaller capacity).
Yeah I know but that's not an all-in-one IMO, it's a bit like buying an iPad Pro along with a Magic Keyboard. Sure the MS Surface is probably the best of these hybrid devices but it's still a bit of a fudge. All of these hybrid devices are compromised.
 

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Sorry, long post.

Yeah for sure it’s always nice to have less things do more. I’m sure a hybrid is at least possible technically. And I’m sure people would find it useful, but I don’t think the concept is quite as ideal as people think.

First, I agree if Apple made a hybrid, it would be expensive. I think some people do think it would save them the cost of one whole device, but it would probably be more like the cost of half a device at most. The hybrid would likely be a combination of a 12.9” ipp and a mba which now individually cost at least around 1000 each, so say 2000 total. I’d say there’s a good chance the hybrid would start close to 2000.
Yeah, I imagine similar price.
Other than hoping to save money, I think the three main reasons people want a hybrid is to cut down on total weight, to not have to keep track of and charge two devices, and they don’t like the idea of redundant functionality. Here are my thoughts on those:
- weight. Yes, a hybrid would cut down on total weight. This is valuable if you want to carry everything around, and more significantly so the bigger your tablet preference. But when using as a laptop, the hybrid would weigh more than a dedicated laptop (the 12.9” with magic keyboard weighs more than mba).
Valid point. Except that even if I had to carry laptop, I would still carry the tablet with keyboard so this combination of tablet + keyboard + laptop is heavier than a hybrid device. The reason I would carry around keyboard is because if I don't have it then the tablet would not work at all for me. I can't go to the laptop for every little thing I need to type.
Also it is not just about the weight, it is also about the space they take in my backpack. Laptop + tablet + tablet keyboard would take more space than a hybrid device.
- not keep track of and charge two devices. If it’s a detachable keyboard, half the time you still have two things to keep track of. Yes, you wouldn’t have to charge two devices, but the obvious downside is you get half the total battery life.
True but at least I expect the two parts to use the same charging cable and port. As it is, at least for me it is not because my Windows laptop does not charge via USB-C.
- the idea of redundant functionality. I totally understand the aversion to redundancy. I hate it. But I think as long as a device has an important function that cannot be adequately filled by another device, or if it would be too compromised when combined with another device, then the redundancy is irrelevant. And once the device proves it is necessary, the redundancy is actually a good thing because it can serve as a backup device, or a side by side multitasking device (or sidecar).
Agree that for this hybrid device to make sense, there should no big compromises either way with functionality. However I do not want to have multiple devices that do just 15 % something different from each other. This is too high maintenance in terms of tech and I do not find it optimal to be honest.
Other slight downsides to a hybrid:
- detachable keyboards make the iPad become top heavy in “laptop” mode. The other option is a convertible where the keyboard base is the bulk of the device and somehow folds out of the way, but then obviously it’s heavier when used as a tablet, which not everyone will like. So both has compromises.
It depends on how it is done. I have an old Asus hybrid that is not perfect bit it is done in different way compared to iPads because:
  • The tablet has small storage base + SD card
  • The keyboard has 500 GB storage
  • Tablet can be detached completely from the keyboard
This way the keyboard is still heavier than the tablet, but the tablet can function on its own with its storage capacity.

So yes if it is a hybrid device, there should be a choice on where some parts are put (keyboard base or tablet).

The reasons I do not use this device are two:

  1. RAM is just 4 GB
  2. Pencil support in Windows IMO is below Pencil support in iOS. No palm rejection is a huge downside.
- this one I’m really not sure, but I wonder how the experience of switching OS and software will be for users. Will it be jarring? I wonder how it will work at a front end and back end level. Will they use the same file system? Can users use the pencil with macOS in slate mode? Will touch work with macOS too then? Will users be forced to use MacOS with the keyboard and trackpad or can they use ipadOS if they want?
Valid questions. My original idea was coming from another point of view. Quite often you will see that people want their apps to exist on an iPad - Microsoft office, Apple office apps, Photoshop. Then we either have things like iMovie, Photoshop, Playgrounds.

Those apps either had to be tweaked for touch input but the thing is would you need them for touch input if you have a hybrid device. I actually do not think that touch input is superior or the greatest thing ever. There are cases where touch input is superior to mouse input, but there are also cases where mouse input makes much more sense. I think that with wanting certain apps on an iPad we make way too many compromises to make them work on touch and the end result is not great.

Even take LumaFusion. Love the app but I do not think that it needs touch input to be great. On the contrary. I quite often have to use the pencil as pointing device because my finger cannot be precise enough to choose the point for videos split. I use the keyboard as a case anyway because I don't need the device to be laying on the table when I work on video edits as this would only lead to neck pain. So I am really not sure why LumaFusion needs the touch screen or use the touch input as primary. I get it on an iPhone and say iPod but on an iPad? Not working properly.

Touch is not panacea and is not the answer for everything. For me having hybrid device also makes us evaluate when we need touch and when touch is not the appropriate way to go.
So back to my point, which is I think the advantages of a hybrid aren’t as ideal as they seem to many at first glance. But the advantages can still outweigh the disadvantages for some people. I just have no idea how big that group of people is.
Me neither. I know that the iPads as they are also a huge compromise - start from complicated settings, from serious fragmentation between different apps and system and finish with the dumbed down versions of apps that are really not for touch interface so they made compromises to make them fit.
I think it was much clearer in the case of the smart phone and point and shoot camera combination. Even though it sneakily increased phone prices, a phone and camera was something everyone in the mainstream wanted with them at all times.
Well if we have to be honest those devices lead to compromises too. Not for mainstream, but for pros. No matter what the phone sensor would not give me DSLR photo quality because it cannot have the sensor of the DSLR. And the RAW files themselves do not hold the same info as the DSLR RAW files and even if you had RAW files, you do not have a lot of apps on the phone that can take advantage of the RAW files. What I am saying is that this device had enough compromises and drawbacks but they are not for the general folks out there. There is one huge thing that has as inmprovement though - one charging but half battery life as you said.
It’s not clear how many people want touch slates and how many want laptops and when/how they want to use each. Also there were great advantages of putting phone and camera functionality together (sharing photos, etc). Not so much the laptop and tablet. And for the camera phone, combining them didn’t impede on the phone at all, which was the core function of the device, and the camera function was peripheral enough and/or good enough for most people that they didn’t feel the need to buy a standalone camera.
This is true. The only downside is that most phones lose quite battery when used for video recording or photos recording and it might impede your call function if the phone is dead.

I think the core function of the laptop tablet hybrid would be the laptop, but as mentioned I think the tablet functionality slightly impedes on it if it’s a detachable keyboard, being heavier and top heavy (they did it with the iPad keyboards only because they’re peripheral options). So I think a convertible might be more likely.
Yes, for me it should be convertible.
Who knows the future though? Apple could do it if they think the market is big enough and figure out a good implementation.

Personally, I’m not too interested in a hybrid, because I really only enjoy touch slates when they’re small, like a phone or an iPad mini, though I may not be the norm. Once they get bigger, I think I’m like you, I don’t want to have to hold them so I’d rather use a clamshell laptop (for productivity) or a big screen tv (for watching stuff - though I realize a good big screen tv is not something everyone has). The exception for me is when I’m using the pencil for drawing, then I like a big slate. But even then, I don’t need touch input or two different OSes. I’d rather just use macOS which is better optimized for pixel point accurate input. So it’s not really a hybrid I want, just a convertible MacBook.
I see your point. My idea of a hybrid device to be honest is pure productivity. I am not focused on media consumption or playing games (where indeed a smaller device makes more sense). I am focused on pencil usage and where creativity touches productivity. There are people that need to sketch out ideas for work and for this having a tablet with pencil support is great. Those people however quite often need also quite powerful software to make this sketch mainstream in the sense of sharing it with others and being able to collaborate with others. For that I do not see touch input or tablet OS being enough.

So for me it is more about simplifying those workflows where you need to do something with pencil on the tablet factor and then transfer it to laptop/desktop machine (easy, quick, without the need of external factors like location, network and brand compatibility) to continue the work.
 

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- the idea of redundant functionality. I totally understand the aversion to redundancy. I hate it. But I think as long as a device has an important function that cannot be adequately filled by another device, or if it would be too compromised when combined with another device, then the redundancy is irrelevant. And once the device proves it is necessary, the redundancy is actually a good thing because it can serve as a backup device, or a side by side multitasking device (or sidecar).
Thats the part that I'm curious about. Do people actually want an "iPad Laptop" or do they simply want their laptop programs available on an iPad.

Because as it is then the iPad is a product of compromise:
- Laptop Size but runs a Phone OS
- Many Apps but they aren't full versions
- Incredible Power but no software that uses that power
- Its got a file system but dont be surprised if it corrupts your files
- Multitasking but un-intuitive and awkward
- ARM Mac Day1 all the pro apps, iPad Year 10 no pro apps
- Built around Apple Ecosystem but relies on 3rd party for software

So if most users accept that the iPad isn't a laptop then what do they actually want the future of the iPad to be? Personally, I dont think people want the iPad to become a Mac. They simply want a software/OS experience that matches the incredible hardware and are making the (incorrect?) assumption that MacOS is the answer when the real solution is for Apple to make "Pro software" for the iPad Pro.
 
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Thats the part that I'm curious about. Do people actually want an "iPad Laptop" or do they simply want their laptop programs available on an iPad.

The latter for me. I pretty much just want Calibre and full Firefox and Chrome with extensions support. I was trying to do an external transfer with my credit union and that part of the website didn't work on iPadOS Safari.

Also, implement a swap file so one doesn't lose work when switching apps and tabs.

Are there any iOS apps that can do regex full text search for a folder of files (recursive subdirectories)? I use Notepad++ Find in Files a lot for that.
 

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Thats the part that I'm curious about. Do people actually want an "iPad Laptop" or do they simply want their laptop programs available on an iPad.

Because as it is then the iPad is a product of compromise:
- Laptop Size but runs a Phone OS
- Many Apps but they aren't full versions
- Incredible Power but no software that uses that power
- Its got a file system but dont be surprised if it corrupts your files
- Multitasking but un-intuitive and awkward
- ARM Mac Day1 all the pro apps, iPad Year 10 no pro apps
- Built around Apple Ecosystem but relies on 3rd party for software

So if most users accept that the iPad isn't a laptop then what do they actually want the future of the iPad to be? Personally, I dont think people want the iPad to become a Mac. They simply want a software/OS experience that matches the incredible hardware and are making the (incorrect?) assumption that MacOS is the answer when the real solution is for Apple to make "Pro software" for the iPad Pro.
That makes sense, yes. I still can't decide which camp I'm in. I didn't get rid of my iPad Pro out of not liking the iPad Pro anymore. I got rid of it because the M1 Mac just undeniably made more sense to me as a large screen "mobile" device than the iPad Pro, whereas pre-M1 Macs did not. I actually think the iPad Pro works fine as a laptop, and I don't even have much trouble with the multitasking system, other than the fact that I'm often having to put things back where I had them because it's impossible to remember which apps fully support it and which don't. I put the blame for this more on developers than Apple, but Apple needs to do something to get these features universally implemented, whether that's further motivation for developers, or just plain rejecting any apps that don't support it. Developers have had 2 iPadOS versions now to get their crap together and the vast majority of them still haven't done it.

The MacBooks have always been more versatile than the iPad and probably always will be. The problem was that they ran too hot, too slow, and chewed through battery too quickly. Now they don't have any of those problems AND have the ability to run iPad apps. They also have a more laptop-ish aspect ratio than the 12.9" iPad Pro, which makes multitasking a little better too. It's just hard to justify owning an iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard to mostly use as a laptop when the new M1 Macs just took the leap they took.
 

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Quite a few Windows laptops attempt the 'all in one' machine but they're heavy and thick due to the keyboard being folded over the back. Plus having the keys exposed when you're using the thing in tablet mode is a bit of a fudge. I'm not even sure that the all in one device could really exist without compromises.
Seems to me it’s pretty simple to do well. It’s a touchscreen tablet that can be docked into a docking enclosure to use a full-size monitor, keyboard and mouse. Out of the dock it’s a tablet and can also be ensconced in a keyboard case like lots of us use now (like the Magic Keyboard). Bonus points if it changes interfaces between OS/iPadOS mouse/touch when docked/undocked.
 
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iPad Pro here as well, I bought mostly because I like to take notes, write my thoughts, etc, using the pencil....I also have the magic keyboard for when I want to lay down and browse, write emails, etc from the iPad. It would be great to have an Apple tablet with pencil that could snap on the Mac chassis....
 

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Seems to me it’s pretty simple to do well. It’s a touchscreen tablet that can be docked into a docking enclosure to use a full-size monitor, keyboard and mouse. Out of the dock it’s a tablet and can also be ensconced in a keyboard case like lots of use now (like the Magic Keyboard). Bonus points if it changes interfaces between OS/iPadOS mouse/touch when docked/undocked.

You mean something like this? ???
 

Digitalguy

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You mean something like this? ???
I just bought a surface book 2 15 (new at a big discount). What the clipboard it would need to be a good tablet is a bigger battery (well it lasts more than my old iPad 12.9) and at least one port.... Other that that it's extremely light for a 15in tablet (same weight as a surface pro 12.3). If Apple made an iPad pro this size and this light, I would buy it immediately...
 

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what's made my M1 Mac so good is the battery life so it's much more portable in the sense you don't need to be stuck near a charging plug. that was my issue with previous Macs where it didn't last half a day....the M1 can last a full day easily and does make more sense from that point of view.
 

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what's made my M1 Mac so good is the battery life so it's much more portable in the sense you don't need to be stuck near a charging plug. that was my issue with previous Macs where it didn't last half a day....the M1 can last a full day easily and does make more sense from that point of view.
I’m charging mine so infrequently that I actually get annoyed when I have to plug it in.
 
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