See here you go. You accuse ME of name calling "in a round about way" and you keep making baseless and derogatory comments about other users and accusing others of defending him or "babysitting them" while not minding your own poor behavior. Double standard at work again.
Saying that you are babysitting is a verb. I can't name call you a verb.
Queen6 doesn't need me to babysit him, nor am I or others defending his post, we are merely pointing out that you are equally guilty of making unprovable comments and baseless anecdotes.
Well apparently he/she does.
You continue to repeat that I and others "don't understand" while others keep telling you that it is YOU who don't understand. When you think everyone else is the problem and everyone keeps pointing the finger back at you, perhaps they are not the ones who lack understanding?
I'm not guilty of the same because you fundamentally don't understand what you're talking about.
These have been some of your comments regarding the keyboards extracted from posts in this thread.
"I.E. learn to type. The keyboard is far superior to the previous one."
(The you are typing on it wrong talking point)
"Idk how in the world it makes your fingers sore that makes 0 sense if you type properly."
(Because my fingers don't hurt while typing on it, nobody elses should and/or they are typing on it wrong?) Any actualy proof that typing on it "correctly" results in no finger pain for any user? Any evidence that I am typing on mine incorrectly since my fingers do in fact hurt? Am I mashing my keys? Being too gentle? Do I need to adjust my hand position? Change my angle of approach? What am I doing wrong if I am doing it wrong? Do you know? After all these years, it isn't the keyboard that is the problem, it is that I haven't embraced the changes I need to make to type on the new ones properly. Got it.
"Maybe you are literally using it wrong. You don't mash keys."
(Again the typing on it wrong talking point combined with a baseless comment about exactly HOW they are typing on it with no evidence whatsoever that this is actually the case) Do you personally know that user? Have you observed him actually mashing the keys? Is this "literally" just speculation without evidence? Or perhaps he is "literally using it exactly right" and not mashing the keys.
"I use both daily and the newer keyboard is way better. People just don’t like change."
(The people don't like change talking point. I like it so therefore everyone who doesn't must not like change) What do you actually know about how I or others who don't like the keyboard embrace change? Nothing.
"But then you go off the deep end. It's easily a better keyboard"
(So anyone who doesn't think the keyboard is better is going off the deepend? What?)
"Yea but nobody cares about your anecdotes."
Nobody meaning specifically you as you are the only one who has stated that) How many users constitutes nobody?
Yes, us developers do appreciate keyboards - hence why it's nice to have a better keyboard. The 2015 keyboard is basically like typing into a giant bowl of jello compared to the new models."
(All of us developers? Or is that the greater WE who don't like the 2015? Your own preference or are you speaking for developers as a whole? Do you actually KNOW the keyboard preferences of all developers and how many actually prefer 2016+ vs 2015 and earlier?
"I find it tiresome that people go into an Apple store (not you necessarily) and try the keyboard for 5 seconds and declare that it's inferior."
Funny, I find it tiresome that people keep claiming this to be the case.
Notice how each one of these is an opinion? When have I said that these types of opinions must be backed up by factual evidence?
Again, it is baseless and unprovable, but you keep repeating this claim despite a complete lack of facts that this is actually the case in most circumstances.
Good grief. At the very least, you should understand what you're talking about. Let's start with the original message:
Certainly in my realm it's like an exodus as the 2016 design simply works against peoples real working needs, nor do many now trust Apple after well over 2 years of the current nonsense with the Butterfly that "just doesn't work" keyboard.
Some of these guy's have spent their entire career on Mac's, nor are they switching platforms out of boredom. Apple's poor design, lack of openness, trying to be different for the sake of it and failing, with a design philosophy that's best described as "stuck in the sand".
Independant professional's have the luxury of choosing their hardware, once the MBP was the weapon of choice for many, today it's just dropping off the radar and for good reason...
Q-6
Ok, and to which I said:
Any data to back this up?
Do you understand that someone can ask for data for a claim that someone is making? If someone says "in my industry everybody is from Ford to Chevy" that's not an
opinion like saying "I think the keyboard is better/worse". I don't know how much more obvious this can be without questioning your intent.
Then OP replied with an anecdote. Ok great. But I didn't ask for, and still don't care about what that person's anecdote is because it's completely irrelevant to the question posed.
In any sort of discourse between people, when someone makes a factual claim, that claim can be challenged and people can ask for more data or supporting evidence. It was a pretty innocuous question because my own anecdote is that the keyboard change is a non-factor. My firm (Fortune 20/25 or something) and a huge purchaser of MacBook Pros made absolutely 0 change, and nobody I know that has one has complained about it. But that's not supporting data and nobody gives a crap about that anecdote. Unless you want to say it is, then sure I guess that means people like they keyboard because my number of samples is in the thousands and the OP's is in the 100s.
It would be my guess that you have actually observed fewer people spend 5 seconds and declare a keyboard inferior than Queen6 has observed professionals leaving Mac for PC in his industry which requires absolute reliability and no option for downtime due to the remote and unfriendly climates he sometimes has to work under. But I can't prove that either.
"Then it seems like they've had a Mac for all the wrong reasons. If a keyboard redesign means you completely switch your workflow, I think that says a lot about your workflow, or priorities."
You know absolutely nothing about another person's reasons for purchasing a Mac, zero, nada. Let alone someone else's workflow or priorities. So why do you even pretend or assume that you do?
I don't need to in order to question what they've said. If your workflow is more dependent on a laptop keyboard than the tools you use, I don't even know what to tell you because it's so blatantly ridiculous. You think someone who uses Final Cut Pro is going to sell their Mac equipment, not renew their license, and then go buy a Windows machine and learn to use new software and create new workflows all because of a keyboard? The worst case is you can use a Bluetooth keyboard most of the time for $20. The workflows are far more important than a keyboard. Business is done with software.
Again, I am not trying to babysit or defend Queen6's comment, because I have no idea how accurate his statement is or is not. But neither do you. Thats a fact. Nor do you have any idea of anyone elses reasons for buying, the motives for having done so or their workflows.
You are defending Queen6's comment and you've been doing so for a while now, and it's unfortunate because you don't understand that you don't need to judge the accuracy of his/her statement - we can ask for supporting data for a factual claim and
that supports their statement.
You clearly don't agree with the premise of the thread and it obvious.
This is what you have become confused about, I think. You can't separate my like for the new keyboard style from the discussion that was had asking for data to support a factual claim. I can not like the premise of the thread, but that's
completely and unequivocally irrelevant. I am not asking for facts to back up an opinion on the keyboard, Queen6 didn't
give an opinion on the keyboard in the statement that I asked for supporting evidence for.
The question is do you now understand why I and others believe it is you who doesn't understand?
I understand that you're either confused or disingenuous.
But again, it is clear you just want to debate and have the last word, so feel free.
I don't care about "getting the last word". If you say something I may or may not feel like responding to it. Even mentioning something like this as motivation is immature. I guess you just want to get the last word?
