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mollyc

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I don't hate the format they are obsolete. And no when I moved left Polaroid behind.

obsolete:
adjective
  1. 1.
    no longer produced or used; out of date.

Well given that film is both produced and used, it's not obsolete. And as we discussed earlier in this thread there are still film cameras being produced. Especially in the point and shoot market there are several new models out. And on the high end, Leica still makes film cameras.

So no, not obsolete at all. Smaller numbers? Absolutely. But not obsolete.

If you left a Polaroid behind, does that mean you kept the 35mm camera?
 
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mollyc

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Film is not dead and it is certainly not obsolete. It's different. This is a great short video and the great thing that it shows, and this is heartening from a cynical Gen-Xer, is that younger generations are really into it. Slow down, think, compose, focus, evaluate your light, snap the shutter, develop.

This was really interesting. It also makes me feel really old. ?
 

jwolf6589

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Well given that film is both produced and used, it's not obsolete. And as we discussed earlier in this thread there are still film cameras being produced. Especially in the point and shoot market there are several new models out. And on the high end, Leica still makes film cameras.

So no, not obsolete at all. Smaller numbers? Absolutely. But not obsolete.

If you left a Polaroid behind, does that mean you kept the 35mm camera?
Only to not use it. I also kept my tape players because I have micro tapes.
 

Freida

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I think the problem you have is that you don't know the needed knowledge so you rely on P&S whilst you could do the same with a phone. You talk about "serious shooting" and yet you downgrade your resolution.
You feel empowered but all these dials which do things for you that any good photographer can do manually.
So, why not learn more about photography in the first place?
Why do you think pro cameras don't have these crappy dials?

And your point about 3rd party is is another silly thing. Are you telling me that your iPhone has NO APPS? I find it hard to believe.
Apple provides iPhone with some apps as they are not in the business to do everything on top level. Thats why they give controls to developers that will invest the time and resources to create truly amazing apps.

I think it would be beneficial for you to reevaluate your approach as this is a bit silly what you are telling us here.

I don't have the money nor the interest to get a SLR. Its much easier and faster for me to use my Powershot SX740HS. I don't want 3rd party apps on my iphone to control my camera. If they cant build it in then its better to use a Powershot. It is true that my phone is with me everywhere and for that I get average shots everywhere. However when I take trips I always carry my Canon for serious shooting.

Getting 3rd party software would be the same as doing that for apple's voice recorder. It's just average and lacks many features of a dedicated recorder such as VOR. True my phone is always with me, but for serious recording use a dedicated recorder. The same can be said of apples video recorder on iPhone/ipad. For serious video I use a dedicated Camcorder by Canon.

How is it beneficial for a hobbyist like me to learn SLR features when I cannot afford one?
 

jwolf6589

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I think the problem you have is that you don't know the needed knowledge so you rely on P&S whilst you could do the same with a phone. You talk about "serious shooting" and yet you downgrade your resolution.
You feel empowered but all these dials which do things for you that any good photographer can do manually.
So, why not learn more about photography in the first place?
Why do you think pro cameras don't have these crappy dials?

And your point about 3rd party is is another silly thing. Are you telling me that your iPhone has NO APPS? I find it hard to believe.
Apple provides iPhone with some apps as they are not in the business to do everything on top level. Thats why they give controls to developers that will invest the time and resources to create truly amazing apps.

I think it would be beneficial for you to reevaluate your approach as this is a bit silly what you are telling us here.
There seems to be a very negative view of P&S on this forum. But no matter reading Amazon reviews of my camera there is many positive reviews.
 

Apple fanboy

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There seems to be a very negative view of P&S on this forum. But no matter reading Amazon reviews of my camera there is many positive reviews.
No doubt. Very cheap to buy good reviews on Amazon. However I don't think people have a problem with what camera anyone uses. It's the fact that you seem to handicap yourself by reducing your file sizes and refusing to learn about your camera settings or any other aspect of photography.
But each to their own.
 

jwolf6589

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No doubt. Very cheap to buy good reviews on Amazon. However I don't think people have a problem with what camera anyone uses. It's the fact that you seem to handicap yourself by reducing your file sizes and refusing to learn about your camera settings or any other aspect of photography.
But each to their own.
That’s a lie. I do have my manual and do read it from time to time when needed.
 

Freida

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What Apple fanboy said.

The issue is not really the P&S its your stand towards iPhone abilities vs your camera when showing us that you lack a lot of knowledge so instead of dismissing the suggestions here maybe its time to learn more. I guess first step would be to use native resolution. Learn to use your camera better without the silly presets and be in control. Knowing what and when to do.
In reality, your iPhone can do as much as your P&S (if not more). Its the lack of knowledge on your end that gives you the illusion otherwise.



There seems to be a very negative view of P&S on this forum. But no matter reading Amazon reviews of my camera there is many positive reviews.
 

bunnspecial

macrumors G3
May 3, 2014
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Any camera that allows a person to get the photos they wish and express their photographic vision is a "good camera." For some people that's an iPhone or other smart phone. For others that's a digital Hasselblad or 8x10 view camera. For many people it's somewhere in-between(in particular DSLRs and MILCs).

What I think IS frustrating for many here is seemingly repetitive questions that aren't actually questions but opportunities to tell us that a certain model camera is the best ever made, combined with a stubborn reluctance to learn the things that actually matter and can make a person a better photographer. I have 15 years now of photography as a hobby behind me. I've used a lot of different equipment ranging from a my phone, P&S digitals(even when I was mostly using film, I often carried a Canon Powershot 540 in my pocket that, as it so happened, made a great meter for my meterless cameras), 35mm SLRs, Medium format SLRs, view cameras, and DSLRs.

The equipment doesn't matter, though. I know a lot more about photography now and would say that my skills are much better than they were 15 years ago, but I'm always seeking to improve and to learn more. In fact I've used so many different types of cameras BECAUSE I wanted to explore what different types of equipment made possible(for better or worse) and try to have the best tools for the job at hand.

I think fundamentally what a lot of us are saying is that endlessly telling us why one particular model of camera is the best ever made isn't a productive discussion...
 

soulreaver99

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Aug 15, 2010
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There seems to be a very negative view of P&S on this forum. But no matter reading Amazon reviews of my camera there is many positive reviews.

We don't have a negative view of P&S in this forum. I have an RX100 m5 that I love using along with an A7III and iPhone 12 - which I would have no reason to dumb down their resolutions because I invested in them and will make the most out of their performance. Whatever you do is your choice if it works for you.

A lot of people here have been trying to be helpful to your questions but you seem to push back like you know better and justify why you are doing things they way you are doing them, and then we question why are you asking in the first place. Seeing some of the photos and advice given by the people that have replied to you - they are very talented photographers.

Also throwing out one line replies for the sake of replying doesn't add to the conversation. As I suggested earlier, I think going into a point and shoot chat room on discord is a better fit on the conversations you are looking for.
 
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bsamcash

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There seems to be a very negative view of P&S on this forum. But no matter reading Amazon reviews of my camera there is many positive reviews.
It’s not P&S cameras we are having the negative view of. It’s your responses to every bit of help that is being offered as well as your inconsistencies. We love photography no matter what the tool, and we want each other to grow in the hobby/profession.
 

Allyance

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Well I thought my digital camera future was looking better as my son finally sent back my Olympus E-10 he had been storing for me. It arrived last night late because of the intense heat (107), UPS drivers were having problems. I bought this camera back when it first came out, with the grip and the high capacity battery. Unpacked it, put the battery in the charger and let it charge up a bit so I could test it. Camera worked fine, so I put battery back the charger. Later on I notice that the battery was beginning to swell. I didn't really expect it to last 15 years. I can not find a replacement battery anywhere, called Olympus and nice CSR tried to find any data, but went out of production in 2005. I found a company that made a universal add on that used the DC input on the camera, even had the attachment to the camera. They no longer make that item either. So now if any one knows of any B-12LPB batteries kicking around, I would greatly appreciate letting me know. Camera body has provisions for 4 AAA or CR3V batteries, but since the camera had the grip on, I can't find the battery holder and cover for the body. Looking to make my own outboard system with modern batteries and using the DC input. Hate to just abandon it, camera takes great pictures and I don't have the budget to replace it. Most of the photos I have posted on the various threads were taken with the E-10, except the cats and squirrel, I used the 12P.
 

someoldguy

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Aug 2, 2009
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Well I thought my digital camera future was looking better as my son finally sent back my Olympus E-10 he had been storing for me. It arrived last night late because of the intense heat (107), UPS drivers were having problems. I bought this camera back when it first came out, with the grip and the high capacity battery. Unpacked it, put the battery in the charger and let it charge up a bit so I could test it. Camera worked fine, so I put battery back the charger. Later on I notice that the battery was beginning to swell. I didn't really expect it to last 15 years. I can not find a replacement battery anywhere, called Olympus and nice CSR tried to find any data, but went out of production in 2005. I found a company that made a universal add on that used the DC input on the camera, even had the attachment to the camera. They no longer make that item either. So now if any one knows of any B-12LPB batteries kicking around, I would greatly appreciate letting me know. Camera body has provisions for 4 AAA or CR3V batteries, but since the camera had the grip on, I can't find the battery holder and cover for the body. Looking to make my own outboard system with modern batteries and using the DC input. Hate to just abandon it, camera takes great pictures and I don't have the budget to replace it. Most of the photos I have posted on the various threads were taken with the E-10, except the cats and squirrel, I used the 12P.
What about looking on eBay for a parts camera that has a good battery holder and cover?
 

Allyance

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What about looking on eBay for a parts camera that has a good battery holder and cover?
One guy is selling battery grip, charger and battery for $345, only one. I checked photo dealers, ebay, craig's list. Problem is, even if I found a OEM battery, how much life would be left in it? Only supposed to be good for 4-5 years.
 

jwolf6589

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What Apple fanboy said.

The issue is not really the P&S its your stand towards iPhone abilities vs your camera when showing us that you lack a lot of knowledge so instead of dismissing the suggestions here maybe its time to learn more. I guess first step would be to use native resolution. Learn to use your camera better without the silly presets and be in control. Knowing what and when to do.
In reality, your iPhone can do as much as your P&S (if not more). Its the lack of knowledge on your end that gives you the illusion otherwise.
Oh whatever dude. It’s my damm camera and I shoot in whatever resolution I want to shoot in!!!! Dam it!!!
 
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