iPhone 14 Pro Max The “I returned my iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max” Thread

[ShadowGuardian87]

Folks complain about the 14 and it’s not the phone it’s that they made a poor decision and look for other people that made a poor decision.

If something is not right for you that’s fine. But don’t make it seem like it’s not right for anyone.

Standing in a Apple Store looking in disgust at the camera bump on someone’s phone? Who does that?
It’s totally ridiculous and juvenile.


These blanket statements of no one could use the new iPhone Pro/Max or no one could put it in their pocket or how on earth can someone deal with the camera bump is complete nonsense. How does anyone know what someone else can do. I’m not into the iPhone Mini’s and it wouldn’t cross my mind to say how could you use that phone. If it works for you great.

It’s this juvenile mentality of “I don’t like it then no one should like it”

Then it’s this attitude of “My iPhone 8 is the best iPhone ever and everything after that is trash and you’re a fool for getting the latest iPhone and how dare you spend YOUR MONEY”.

My exact feelings here. It's cool if the 14 is not for you. But it seems a lot of people that supposedly bought it did so without doing much research. Then they look for others to validate their buyer's remorse etc.

 

[sjobsian]

"Absurd"? Calm down. And, you're incorrect - a properly administered poll, while not perfect, would easily eliminate many of these problems. For example, only people confirmed to have actually purchased an iPhone 14 would participate.

Uh, no, the poll is obviously talking about returns as in "I don't want the 14 after all" not just "I want a different color". And it's also obvious that the OP didn't intend for people who don't even own the 14 to vote no - they have people in mind who've evaluated it in person and decided to keep it. Otherwise, everyone in the world who doesn't own the 14 could vote no, and that wouldn't make any sense. "Look, billions of people aren't returning their iPhone 14. They must be satisfied customers . . . . Oh, wait, they've never even used it" 🤣

So your post just proves how polls like these are not accurate at all.

"Absurd"? Calm down. And, you're incorrect - a properly administered poll, while not perfect, would easily eliminate many of these problems. For example, only people confirmed to have actually purchased an iPhone 14 would participate.

The poll is valid. Nobody needs to own the phone and then return it for their vote to be valid. I never owned the phone as I've already discussed. I ordered it and then went and tested it twice at the Apple Store and cancelled my order.

You can attack something but you don't have any evidence to support your position. All polls are subject to manipulation on both sides of the fence. People can lie and manipulate their votes to serve some purpose. Some people may have even voted no here but actually did return the phone and just lied with their vote for whatever reason. There is no evidence that people lied so much in their voting that it invalidates the entire poll. We can suspect these things with any poll, and people can lie and manipulate things even when you insert other checks and balances. People can just simply lie when they vote for anything.

This is off topic and has been discussed at length. Focus on the topic which is not the science and validity of polls but whether you yourself have returned the phone or not.

If you find no value in this, the question becomes why are you here.

 

[sjobsian]

My exact feelings here. It's cool if the 14 is not for you. But it seems a lot of people that supposedly bought it did so without doing much research. Then they look for others to validate their buyer's remorse etc.

Stop with this. What is actually clear if you read this thread is many people don't like the phone after physically using/testing it. Logical absurdities follow from your view and position: in your world, it would seem to be implied that nothing is needed other than text specs and some pictures. No need for any physical stores. No need to go and look at anything physically. Just read the specs and look at pics.

Don't bother looking at that $100,000 Porsche you are thinking of buying because you really know how well you fit inside it and how the paint colour looks in the sun and how it corners without driving it. No need to bother physically trying out a smartphone that you will constantly use and has to fit into your pocket and fit your particular hands and etc. No need to look at that next house you're going to buy: just look at the specs.

As a matter of fact, why don't you go be a VP at Apple and then shut down all of their physical stores because hey, people can just look at specs and pics.

Ok.

 

[xxFoxtail]

14 Pro going back here. And it's due to the weight, it's just too damn heavy.

Came from a 12 mini and loved the bigger screen, 120hz screen and dynamic island. But the weight, been trying to convince myself it's fine but it's not and you notice it every time you pick it up.

Going for a regular 14 and putting the extra cash on a new Apple Watch.

Agreed. Everything about the 14 Pro is perfect, but I’m personally just going to send it back and get a battery replacement in my 12 mini.

 

[usagora]

Nobody needs to own the phone and then return it for their vote to be valid.

So then the poll is completely meaningless. Thanks for confirming 👍🏻

 

[sjobsian]

So then the poll is completely meaningless. Thanks for confirming 👍🏻

The poll is completely valid… return can mean ordered; tested it after ordering; then cancelling an order.

Why. Are. You. Here. 👍

 

[usagora]

return can mean ordered; tested it after ordering; then cancelling an order.

Ok, I see what you are trying to say now. However, I did state "they [you, the OP] have people in mind who've evaluated it in person and decided to keep it". So, yes, that would be a completely valid "yes" vote (and technically you did own it if you ordered it). But people "returning" it (as in exchanging) for another color or storage size is obviously not a meaningful "yes" vote because in the end they still got a 14. And then there's all the other issues I mentioned. Unfortunately, people like the guy who thought the 10% "yes" vote was significant are making extrapolations that simply are not warranted from such an uncontrolled survey.

Why. Are. You. Here. 👍

It's a public forum and I'm replying to posts in your thread. If you don't like my replies, then feel free to ignore them 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[sunking101]

Me neither. I pay off my 13PM Friday and can't find a single 14PM nearby. These people buying and returned somewhat irritate me because they are taking phones out of stock they don't even want.

The worst are those who buy a couple of different colours and sizes to see which they prefer before sending the rest back. Watch some online videos or get your @sses down to an Apple store!

 

[sunking101]

After being unimpressed with the clunky hardware design and fighting with the dysfunctional & chaotic OS, it’s going back this morning. My old iPhone 6 with iOS12 offers a cleaner, more useful (headphone jack) far more efficient and reliable user experience. This seems to have abandoned that ethos & might as well be an android. The old is practically elegant in its simplicity and effectiveness as a tool. They’ve really cluttered it up with a pile of rickety junk in the time since.

The iPhone 6 and 6+ absolutely sucked. I can tell that you only use your phone for calls, messages and train times because the 1GB of RAM allows for ZERO multitasking. Plus the i6 will be agonisingly slow in 2022.

 

[usagora]

The worst are those who buy a couple of different colours and sizes to see which they prefer before sending the rest back. Watch some online videos or get your @sses down to an Apple store!

Yeah, buying an expensive, high-demand product like an iPhone with the express intention of returning it just seems wrong. It's not like you're buying a pair of pants and you need to be sure the size fits.

 

[John-F]

The poll is completely valid… return can mean ordered; tested it after ordering; then cancelling an order.

Why. Are. You. Here. 👍

Polls like this one should be taken with a grain of salt because there is no way to qualify the respondents. Someone true to the poll's purpose might have ordered and returned, or just looked at the phone in a store and decided against it. But it's also quite possible that there are those who only want to denigrate the phone and have an ulterior motive for responding.

 

[usagora]

Polls like this one should be taken with a grain of salt because there is no way to qualify the respondents. Someone true to the poll's purpose might have ordered and returned, or just looked at the phone in a store and decided against it. But it's also quite possible that there are those who only want to denigrate the phone and have an ulterior motive for responding.

Exactly. If it were limited to verified iPhone 14 purchasers and a more representative sample of iPhone 14 owners, that would be a different story. Someone mentioned that it was somehow a good poll because it's "knowledgeable" Apple customers voting. Well, aside from the fact that many people here are not "power users" and of course what you said about people voting one way or the other for ulterior motives, I'd argue that many here who are indeed power users also tend to be overly critical and picky (with unreasonable expectations) about Apple's products and would return the 14 over some minutiae that no one in the average iPhone using public would even notice or care about.

 

[John-F]

Exactly. If it were limited to verified iPhone 14 purchasers and a more representative sample of iPhone 14 owners, that would be a different story. Someone mentioned that it was somehow a good poll because it's "knowledgeable" Apple customers voting. Well, aside from the fact that many people here are not "power users" and of course what you said about people voting one way or the other for ulterior motives, I'd argue that many here who are indeed power users also tend to be overly critical and picky (with unreasonable expectations) about Apple's products and would return the 14 over some minutiae that no one in the average iPhone using public would even notice or care about.

Yes. Neutral polls such as which color is your favorite, or which case do you prefer, have a greater likelihood of being more accurate. But polls that reflect a dislike are much more likely to be slanted.

 

[babyexercise]

as its been said over and over and over again, it doesn't come down to fitness. going to the gym isn't going to make the phone any easier to hold. it's not going to change the weight distribution of the phone. it's not going to change how the phone feels in your pocket. you could be a bodybuilder, but unless you have shaq-like hands, phones of this size and weight are uncomfortable to use. to some, the benefits are worth that trade off. but for others in this thread, it's clearly not.

You can make your arm stronger, have you watched the movie Rambo? Watch it again if you have difficulty holding a phone.

 

[sjobsian]

Ok, I see what you are trying to say now. However, I did state "they [you, the OP] have people in mind who've evaluated it in person and decided to keep it". So, yes, that would be a completely valid "yes" vote (and technically you did own it if you ordered it). But people "returning" it (as in exchanging) for another color or storage size is obviously not a meaningful "yes" vote because in the end they still got a 14. And then there's all the other issues I mentioned. Unfortunately, people like the guy who thought the 10% "yes" vote was significant are making extrapolations that simply are not warranted from such an uncontrolled survey.



It's a public forum and I'm replying to posts in your thread. If you don't like my replies, then feel free to ignore them 🤷🏼‍♂️

Exactly. If it were limited to verified iPhone 14 purchasers and a more representative sample of iPhone 14 owners, that would be a different story. Someone mentioned that it was somehow a good poll because it's "knowledgeable" Apple customers voting. Well, aside from the fact that many people here are not "power users" and of course what you said about people voting one way or the other for ulterior motives, I'd argue that many here who are indeed power users also tend to be overly critical and picky (with unreasonable expectations) about Apple's products and would return the 14 over some minutiae that no one in the average iPhone using public would even notice or care about.
These comments are absurd. You have ZERO data really. You do not have a list of each person who voted and their profile and what they did or didn’t buy. This is just speculative dribble. The poll is valid. All polls are subject to the same kinds of criticism.

You like many others commit the logical fallacy of making generalizations based on UNPROVEN assumptions.

 

[sjobsian]

Exactly. If it were limited to verified iPhone 14 purchasers and a more representative sample of iPhone 14 owners, that would be a different story. Someone mentioned that it was somehow a good poll because it's "knowledgeable" Apple customers voting. Well, aside from the fact that many people here are not "power users" and of course what you said about people voting one way or the other for ulterior motives, I'd argue that many here who are indeed power users also tend to be overly critical and picky (with unreasonable expectations) about Apple's products and would return the 14 over some minutiae that no one in the average iPhone using public would even notice or care about.

These comments are absurd. You have ZERO data really. You do not have a list of each person who voted and their profile and what they did or didn’t buy. This is just speculative dribble. The poll is valid. All polls are subject to the same kinds of criticism.

You like many others commit the logical fallacy of making generalizations based on UNPROVEN assumptions. You also make broad generalizations about people and you also have nothing to support that really.

 

[John-F]

... The poll is valid. ...

There is simply no basis to assume that.

 

[usagora]

You do not have a list of each person who voted and their profile and what they did or didn’t buy. This is just speculative dribble.

That's the whole point. There's absolutely no control over who responds, so the poll ends up being purely speculative. You can't have any confidence in the accuracy of the results. As the other member pointed out, polls like this have a negative bias to them as well, because the question focuses on a negative event ("did you return your iPhone 14"). A more neutral poll question would be "How do you feel about your iPhone 14 so far?" and choices would be degrees of satisfaction from "thrilled" to "I'm returning it".

All polls are subject to the same kinds of criticism.

No, they aren't, because not all polls are created equal. Those are just facts.

The poll is valid

I have a feeling that whenever you pass (and may you live a long life), this phrase will be etched on your tombstone 🤣

 

[fatTribble]

No, mostly it's people who have been oversold by Apple's sensational hyperbolic marketing promising 2x better photos + early reviews from influencers who are shipped out to keynotes and receive free handsets to 'review' and whom are always utterly biased and will claim it the best smartphone with unimaginable improvements.

Anyone who's had the phone for 30 mins and coming from an iPhone 11-13 quickly realises that's all a load of baloney and thus return the phone.

I read about anything I can find on the new iPhones when they release. I watch the Apple event.
I didn’t come across any claim from Apple that the photos were 2x better.
I didn’t read or see a video that claimed it has unimaginable improvements.

I do agree with you though that many who return the phones have been oversold. Maybe they need to do more research before euphorically being one of the first to buy a new iPhone only to return it when reality sets in.

If you’re not sure you want it, why run out to be the first to own it?

 

[sjobsian]

There is simply no basis to assume that.

There is simply no basis to not assume that. Show your evidence.

 

[babyexercise]

That’s a ridiculous comment to make. I’m in decent condition and go to the gym regularly and find the 14 Pro Max and even the Pro slightly uncomfortable to hold for prolonged periods due to weight distribution being uneven (which means I have to compensate for this) and also having to grip the phone in a slightly unnatural way due to the squared edges and dimensions. I was using my burner iPhone 7 for a while before picking up the 14 Pro and Pro Max and it was much more comfortable over extended use but of course I missed the new tech whilst using the 7 so I readily accept having to make a compromise with comfort to be able to use a better camera etc.

Make sure your weight in training room is more than enough

 

[sjobsian]

That's the whole point. There's absolutely no control over who responds, so the poll ends up being purely speculative. You can't have any confidence in the accuracy of the results. As the other member pointed out, polls like this have a negative bias to them as well, because the question focuses on a negative event ("did you return your iPhone 14"). A more neutral poll question would be "How do you feel about your iPhone 14 so far?" and choices would be degrees of satisfaction from "thrilled" to "I'm returning it".



No, they aren't, because not all polls are created equal. Those are just facts.



I have a feeling that whenever you pass (and may you live a long life), this phrase will be etched on your tombstone 🤣

You have nothing but unproven speculative comments. No data. No evidence. You just attack the poll. All polls can be attacked and criticized.

Come back with all your data and your standard deviations and then quantify it proving your speculative assumptions. Until then, the poll stands as valid like other polls.

Your assumptions are humorous you take them as fact. People could also lie and vote no, etc.

 

[Sammy in SoCal]

My exact feelings here. It's cool if the 14 is not for you. But it seems a lot of people that supposedly bought it did so without doing much research. Then they look for others to validate their buyer's remorse etc.

This is not the same as buying a car where there’s no cooling off period. They don’t need to validate their buyers remorse if they have until the very end of the month(if you took delivery on the 16th) to make the decision on whether to return or exchange the phone.

 

[usagora]

You have nothing but unproven speculative comments. No data. No evidence. You just attack the poll. All polls can be attacked and criticized.

Come back with all your data and your standard deviations and then quantify it proving your speculative assumptions. Until then, the poll stands as valid like other polls.

Your assumptions are humorous you take them as fact. People could also lie and vote no, etc.

Not sure if you're purposely missing my point over and over just to argue or seriously don't get it. Every reply you make continues to prove my point. In any case, this conversation is over 👋🏻

 

[ericg301]

You can make your arm stronger, have you watched the movie Rambo? Watch it again if you have difficulty holding a phone.

It’s not about the arm. It’s about the hand.

And Rambo was roided up.