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I couldn't wait and got mine and seriously glad I did!

There will always be another upgrade, imo the only thing coming to the 27in is going to be a new video card, and maybe a slight cpu upgrade. Unless you game a lot, buy and be happy :)

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Just got a new desk today too!
 
Any chance the ports will be moved to a more convenient location? On the side?

I don't know how long I can wait for this. I was planning on going with the low-end 21.5" model (I'll be the only one using it, seems like more than enough for one person), but if it gets upgraded to the Core i3, I wonder how much the price is likely to go up.
 
Well the last two years the story was the same. When these announcements were announced the product usually appeared withing two to three weeks. Like clockwork.

That goes for the mac mini's, and imacs.

I am calling it. Since the 21.5's will see the biggest jump in performance.

The Core i3 550 in the low end with 750GB HD.

The Core i5 650 in the mid tier with a 1.5TB HD.

It looks like the base mac will see the biggest jump in performance.

The i3 550 is not much slower or slower at all by a few percentage points than the core i5 650.

I just handed in today the 3.33 E8600 and canceled my order. Hopefully it was the right decision. I will still have a quad core i5 to keep me company from the office. The wife will have to live with it for a few weeks. :p

How does the dual Core i5 650 compare to:

- quad core i5 in 27inch
- current C2D in 21.5 iMac and
- MacBook Pro Mobile i5 and i7?

am still on the fence on deciding whether I'll go with the 21.5 or 27 inch screen and I guess a good performance comparison between quad and dual core i5s and i7s would be interesting!

anyone have some good websites which has some of these comparisons? Thanks!
 
Trying to decide between 27" iMac and IBM zEnterprise 196

I just need something for casual CS5 work, some gaming, iTunes, and syncing my ipod.

Should I go with the quad-core, i7 with 8 GB of RAM or the 96 5GHz core, 3 TB RAIM zEnterprise 196? I guess the 27" monitor makes the iMac worth it over the display-less IBM garbage.

http://www.crn.com/226200077

thoughts?
 
I doubt it also. But the new Clarks are 73W. So if Apple wants to use those chips they are going to compensate or intel is as they have made custom chips for Apple in the past. Can you say Core 2 Duo (E8435) from the last generation imacs. As C2D uses 65W and the new Core series uses 73W.

Like I said it's a stretch, but possible.

P45 chipset has higher TDP due the need of Northbridge (22W vs 4.7W) than the P55 so the extra 8W in Clarkdale is irrelevant.

http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/designguide/319972.pdf
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/designguide/322171.pdf
 
i3 with intel GPU

Hey guys, I've read that intel GPUs are not great, and that the i3 has the intel GPU integrated. How would this compare to the Nvidia 9400m in the current base model iMac? Would the move to i3 be a small speed bump but with poorer GPU performance? How would the i3 with integrated intel GPU compare to mid-level 21.5 with C2D and ATI Radeon HD 4670?
 
Hey guys, I've read that intel GPUs are not great, and that the i3 has the intel GPU integrated. How would this compare to the Nvidia 9400m in the current base model iMac? Would the move to i3 be a small speed bump but with poorer GPU performance? How would the i3 with integrated intel GPU compare to mid-level 21.5 with C2D and ATI Radeon HD 4670?

For the most part the i3 is on par with the C2D, maybe slightly faster. And there is no contest , Intel's GPUs have always missed the mark. I am not sure about the specs for the integrated GPU, but I do not see it performing better then the 4670.
 
For the most part the i3 is on par with the C2D, maybe slightly faster. And there is no contest , Intel's GPUs have always missed the mark. I am not sure about the specs for the integrated GPU, but I do not see it performing better then the 4670.

i have an i5 laptop and it smokes my old centrino duo laptop i used to have. i3 is the same thing except no hyperthreading or turboboost or whatever. the architecture is a lot faster than c2d

the intel HD is not fast, but not crap either. it's enough for 90% or so of the people out there
 
I couldn't wait and got mine and seriously glad I did!

There will always be another upgrade, imo the only thing coming to the 27in is going to be a new video card, and maybe a slight cpu upgrade. Unless you game a lot, buy and be happy :)

IMG_3808.jpg


Just got a new desk today too!

No Magic mouse?
 
P45 chipset has higher TDP due the need of Northbridge (22W vs 4.7W) than the P55 so the extra 8W in Clarkdale is irrelevant.

http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/designguide/319972.pdf
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/designguide/322171.pdf


Before the new Core series of processors came around most processors consisted of a processor, a chipset northbridge (with a graphics interface and memory controller, also called the Memory Controller Hub or MCH), and a southbridge (the I/O Controller Hub, or ICH). The potential power consumption of these three components has to be added together. The processors are rated from 65W up to 130W, a P45 MCH requires up to 22W, and the ICH10R is rated at 4.5W.

The Core platform, including theCore i3, Core i5 and i7series CPUs, introduced Intel’s first mainstream two-chip design. The memory controller slipped into the processor with Bloomfield (Core i7 on LGA 1366) and the PCI Express interface now follows suit. As a result, the need for a separate northbridge is gone, leaving mainly I/O and management functionality behind.

Given this slimmed-down arrangement, the P55 chipset is officially called the Platform Controller Hub, or PCH. Since large chunks of the PCH correspond to equivalent areas of the old ICH, net complexity and power consumption are similar.

Effectively, the new processors stay at the same power level as as some of the preceding Core 2 Quads: 95W. Compared to Core i7 on LGA 1366, the current core series of processors are already rated 35W lower. Moreover, the fact that there's no longer a discrete MCH means that 20-some watt piece of logic no longer contributes to overall power consumption.

You have to still account for the wattage either way, regardless. So yes it does matter it is a all in one design, so USB, GPU, etc all contribute to thermal constraints. Not just the processor. And all have to be given equal value when considering what to put into the machine.

How does the dual Core i5 650 compare to:

- quad core i5 in 27inch
- current C2D in 21.5 iMac and
- MacBook Pro Mobile i5 and i7?

am still on the fence on deciding whether I'll go with the 21.5 or 27 inch screen and I guess a good performance comparison between quad and dual core i5s and i7s would be interesting!

anyone have some good websites which has some of these comparisons? Thanks!

here are some good sites.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2901
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2010/2010052401_Core_i3-550_mini-review.html

Here you can compare just about any processor you would like, except for the newest ones such as the i3 550.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/144?vs=109

i have an i5 laptop and it smokes my old centrino duo laptop i used to have. i3 is the same thing except no hyperthreading or turboboost or whatever. the architecture is a lot faster than c2d

the intel HD is not fast, but not crap either. it's enough for 90% or so of the people out there

No turbo boost. It has hyperthreading.

Hey guys, I've read that intel GPUs are not great, and that the i3 has the intel GPU integrated. How would this compare to the Nvidia 9400m in the current base model iMac? Would the move to i3 be a small speed bump but with poorer GPU performance? How would the i3 with integrated intel GPU compare to mid-level 21.5 with C2D and ATI Radeon HD 4670?

The core i3 and i5 dual cores both have intergrated GPU's. Most likely Apple will add their own GPU's. No way no how is Apple going only with an intel GPU.

The Core i3 550 is more than a speed bump. It is faster than any C2D made and that includes the C2D E8600. Efficiency and multi-threaded applications will benefit the most.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_...6003174AJ (BX80616I3550 - BXC80616I3550).html

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2010/2010052401_Core_i3-550_mini-review.html

The core i3 540 to say nothing of the core i3 550 beat the fastest core series processor the E8600 in these tests by a score of 17 to 8. And the E8600 is a fast dual core processor and still is.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2901
 
The core i3 and i5 dual cores both have intergrated GPU's. Most likely Apple will add their own GPU's. No way no how is Apple going only with an intel GPU.

Thanks for the info dudeman. Sorry to sound like a noob, but does that mean apple will use the i3, but somehow bypass the integrated GPU and utilize a better, dedicated one? So we get the benefits of the i3 vs C2D without the drawback of an inferior GPU. Is that what they're doing with the current i5 in the 27"?
 
Thanks for the info dudeman. Sorry to sound like a noob, but does that mean apple will use the i3, but somehow bypass the integrated GPU and utilize a better, dedicated one? So we get the benefits of the i3 vs C2D without the drawback of an inferior GPU. Is that what they're doing with the current i5 in the 27"?
Yes, and the i7 too.
 
You have to still account for the wattage either way, regardless. So yes it does matter it is a all in one design, so USB, GPU, etc all contribute to thermal constraints. Not just the processor. And all have to be given equal value when considering what to put into the machine.

Southbridge handles USB. GPU is needed in both machines anyway. So iX + P55 board will consume less than C2 + P45. However, at least my iMac uses NVIDIA chipset (GeForce 9400 mGPU) and I'm pretty sure that late '09 iMacs does well (C2D versions) because the low-end still has 9400M as GPU. Unfortunately I could not find the TDP for that. 9400M uses 12W but I don't know is that the graphics core only or does that include bridges (9400M has both bridges in it).

Anyway, P55 chipset won't really increase the TDP, likely decrease it because of its low TDP.
 
Southbridge handles USB. GPU is needed in both machines anyway. So iX + P55 board will consume less than C2 + P45. However, at least my iMac uses NVIDIA chipset (GeForce 9400 mGPU) and I'm pretty sure that late '09 iMacs does well (C2D versions) because the low-end still has 9400M as GPU. Unfortunately I could not find the TDP for that. 9400M uses 12W but I don't know is that the graphics core only or does that include bridges (9400M has both bridges in it).

Anyway, P55 chipset won't really increase the TDP, likely decrease it because of its low TDP.

I tried to find the TDP just for the GPU on the intel chips. They must include that into the overall CPU TDP. I really am pissed at Intel at their CPU+GPU integration. I feel that overall is the sole reason that has hampered the delays of the new imacs. I am hoping that Apple comes correct and uses AMD Fusion as a option for the new imacs when they(fusion) becomes available to market.
 
I tried to find the TDP just for the GPU on the intel chips. They must include that into the overall CPU TDP. I really am pissed at Intel at their CPU+GPU integration. I feel that overall is the sole reason that has hampered the delays of the new imacs. I am hoping that Apple comes correct and uses AMD Fusion as a option for the new imacs when they(fusion) becomes available to market.

Yeah, it's included in the TDP (73W). IGPs are the future, AMD will release theirs in 2011. For an average Joe, they are just fine, like 9400M and 320M are. It's not that big issue for iMac as there is more than enough space for dedicated GPU, it simply means that Apple must use something else than 320M.

I don't think there is delay on iMac. Look at the past, 10-11 months is very common time between updates. Currently, it's been 9 months so basically, the update should come within two months. If there isn't one before October, then there is a delay.
 
Thanks for the info dudeman. Sorry to sound like a noob, but does that mean apple will use the i3, but somehow bypass the integrated GPU and utilize a better, dedicated one? So we get the benefits of the i3 vs C2D without the drawback of an inferior GPU. Is that what they're doing with the current i5 in the 27"?

No. They are all the new Nehalem microarchitecture.

The i7 and i5 in the 27' uses the "lynnfield' core and does not have a integrated GPU and is 45nm. While "clarksfield' is 32nm and is dual core only and has a integrated GPU.

No one knows what they will use but most likely the i3 because they are almost the exact same price as the E7600 and run at 3.2Ghz. The i3 540 is much cheaper and runs at the same clock frequency as the E7600 which is 3.06 and never in Apple's history that I know of did they use a processor during a refresh that was ran at the same speed as the CPU it replaced except the Quad core models. The core i3 350 runs at 3.2Ghz.

Just for marketing reasons most people don't know that the i3 is faster clock for clock than C2D and will look at the speed. That is all mostly your mainstream consumer knows. And Apple knows this.

The 27's imacs use use a discrete GPU. The i3 if it shows up in the new imacs will have a integrated GPU and most likely a discrete GPU as well. The effect will be similar to the macbook pro use of the integrated GPU and discrete GPU.

Check out this article. Explains quite a bit.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/inside-apples-automatic-gpu-switching.ars
 
Yeah, it's included in the TDP (73W). IGPs are the future, AMD will release theirs in 2011. For an average Joe, they are just fine, like 9400M and 320M are. It's not that big issue for iMac as there is more than enough space for dedicated GPU, it simply means that Apple must use something else than 320M.

I don't think there is delay on iMac. Look at the past, 10-11 months is very common time between updates. Currently, it's been 9 months so basically, the update should come within two months. If there isn't one before October, then there is a delay.


The last refresh was within a six month time frame. The one before that was longer at 11 months. The average is 221 days so that is 7 months. So I wouldn't say 10-11 months is common. Only once did a refresh go that long.

The refresh is coming very, very soon. When retailers report shortages and Apple instructs them to get rid of invertory there has usually been a refresh within a months time or sooner.

This has been the case every single time. Look at the last time with the Mini. Or the Mac.

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/2...ores-of-imac-and-mac-mini-supply-constraints/

Now look at the current inventory notice.
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/22/imac-shipments-running-low-ahead-of-refresh/

There is nothing pointing to a Oct time frame except a report which we do not know is accurate or not. But when inventory is low that is a better indicator of a imminent refresh. Which in the past happened within a months time frame every single time.
 
The last refresh was within a six month time frame. The one before that was longer at 11 months. The average is 221 days so that is 7 months. So I wouldn't say 10-11 months is common. Only once did a refresh go that long.

The refresh is coming very, very soon. When retailers report shortages and Apple instructs them to get rid of invertory there has usually been a refresh with a months time or sooner.

This has been the case every single time. Look at the last time with the Mini. Or the Mac.

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/2...ores-of-imac-and-mac-mini-supply-constraints/

Now look at the current inventory notice.
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/22/imac-shipments-running-low-ahead-of-refresh/

It was 7.5 months between the previous and the update before that, not six. Buyer's Guide includes all iMacs since 2003. Ignore older than 2006 iMacs as those are PPC. It has taken 11 months TWICE since Intel iMacs, and three times it has taken 7-8 months. So, 11 months is not extraordinary, it's completely normal. Whether this update takes 10 or 11 months, nobody knows. It does look like it's imminent but how imminent? Late August seems possible
 
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