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I’d like to ask some opinions on a possible Feedback report I might send in to Apple. Dark Mode for Maps. Do you think it’s too difficult to differentiate anything? I’m thinking of making a suggestion to maybe make the colors a little more “obvious”. It’s not an actual issue for me, but I think there could be a benefit for some people to make those colors pop more in Dark Mode.

Any opinions of yours could be added to my feedback report, hence why I’m asking. Basically what I’m thinking is do you think Dark Mode is a little TOO dark on Maps?

I've sort of gotten used to the new dark mode, although I did much prefer the hues of blue from the night mode in iOS 12. The current dark mode I think looks a bit better with the new maps data. But if you live in a region of the world that doesn't have the new maps data yet, then the dark mode could be a bit bland and boring.
 
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I've sort of gotten used to the new dark mode, although I did much prefer the hues of blue from the night mode in iOS 12. The current dark mode I think looks a bit better with the new maps data. But if you live in a region of the world that doesn't have the new maps data yet, then the dark mode could be a bit bland and boring.

Yeah...I agree with this. It is liked they designed it for new maps data.

Never really bothered me though...and didn't they tweak it last year after the initial complaints? I seem to remember it changing slightly.
 
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Yeah...I agree with this. It is liked they designed it for new maps data.

Never really bothered me though...and didn't they tweak it last year after the initial complaints? I seem to remember it changing slightly.

I think they did...I think certain blocks are a bit lighter in tone, and the roads themselves are darker. I'd have to see a side-by-side comparison to know for sure. Not sure if I still have any old photos on my phone from when iOS 13 first hit.
 
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LiDar related feature? For next iPhone?
 

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I’d like to ask some opinions on a possible Feedback report I might send in to Apple. Dark Mode for Maps. Do you think it’s too difficult to differentiate anything? I’m thinking of making a suggestion to maybe make the colors a little more “obvious”. It’s not an actual issue for me, but I think there could be a benefit for some people to make those colors pop more in Dark Mode.

Any opinions of yours could be added to my feedback report, hence why I’m asking. Basically what I’m thinking is do you think Dark Mode is a little TOO dark on Maps?
You’ve put your finger on something that has bothered me for awhile. I love dark mode EXCEPT in maps. I find it very disorienting. I actually sometimes toggle to light mode when I want to use maps.
 
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Somewhat bitter that the cycling implementation appears to be so specific and not a general option for any route.. great that trying to do something more specific, but I still want directions even if generic! I can use common sense to sort out what's clearly wrong. And continual frustration to try to use walking directions when it keeps reverting to driving if go too fast and it has to recalculate anything.
 
LiDar related feature? For next iPhone?
This is a new feature in iOS 14 for getting more accurate location and orientation data when you are in urban areas with poor GPS signals. Since Apple mentions it on their iOS 14 page, it will be available on (at least some) older iPhones without LIDAR as well. They wouldn’t mention a feature like this before revealing the new phone itself. I guess they could implement LIDAR for the feature in future iPhone since they have the 3D image data from their cars (unlike Google which are just 2D I think) and could match that information with a 3D virtualisation made by the LIDAR sensor. That reminds me about a question I have. Is this feature going to be limited to places with Look Around? I assume this feature works by comparing images from Look Around with the image from your iPhone to find your location and orientation. I wonder then, what would happen if the Look Around imagery is very outdated and it can’t find a match? Would it be able to detect that and just rely on GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and cell tower triangulation instead or would the phone just be confused and force a match with an image which could give a more inaccurate location/orientation. Perhaps it will still be more accurate than the standard ways of getting your location that I mentioned earlier?
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Australia is a lot bigger too, even if it is a lot of nothing ;-)

(Google has mapped most of it though, and has Street View imagery for rural and remote Australia)

You can even see on the Image Collection site that some areas are whole states (Tasmania, Queensland, Australian Capital Territory), and some are just the capital cities (Melbourne/Adelaide/Sydney).

Of course some mapping has already finished according to the published timeframe, while some is ongoing through to the end of 2020 - I guess 'new maps' could be launched in some areas/states first like the US (considering that Tasmania/Adelaide/Melbourne & the ACT have been completed) rather than wait for the whole country to be done.

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Australia still doesn't have speed limits either - they appeared in iOS 11b3-b4, but since removed and haven't made a return since.

Cool! I had no idea that they (at least for a while) seemed to be working on it.
 
Somewhat bitter that the cycling implementation appears to be so specific and not a general option for any route.. great that trying to do something more specific, but I still want directions even if generic! I can use common sense to sort out what's clearly wrong. And continual frustration to try to use walking directions when it keeps reverting to driving if go too fast and it has to recalculate anything.

I think it *has* to be specific and slowly rolled out...the cycling directions will be implementing data on not just bike-friendly routes (with bike lanes or otherwise), but also elevation changes.
 
I would think so, or for 2020 iPad Pro. Where did you find this dialog?

when I start the Maps app I get this new icon in place of the blue dot sometimes and other times I see both.
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This is a new feature in iOS 14 for getting more accurate location and orientation data when you are in urban areas with poor GPS signals. Since Apple mentions it on their iOS 14 page, it will be available on (at least some) older iPhones without LIDAR as well. They wouldn’t mention a feature like this before revealing the new phone itself. I guess they could implement LIDAR for the feature in future iPhone since they have the 3D image data from their cars (unlike Google which are just 2D I think) and could match that information with a 3D virtualisation made by the LIDAR sensor. That reminds me about a question I have. Is this feature going to be limited to places with Look Around? I assume this feature works by comparing images from Look Around with the image from your iPhone to find your location and orientation. I wonder then, what would happen if the Look Around imagery is very outdated and it can’t find a match? Would it be able to detect that and just rely on GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and cell tower triangulation instead or would the phone just be confused and force a match with an image which could give a more inaccurate location/orientation. Perhaps it will still be more accurate than the standard ways of getting your location that I mentioned earlier?

I love your explanation and it makes total sense. It wouldn’t shock me if Maps was able to rely on GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth and cell tower triangulation to help fix our of date look around areas easier and faster. Also maybe a similar AR walking feature like Google? I just love that this can take off much more from where it currently is.
 
Not iOS 14 specific, but Look Around has been released for Seattle. I can go back and put this in the iOS 13 maps thread if preferred!
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I can see the Seattle Look Around.

It says the images were taken in August 2019.
Knowing that, we might be able to guess a pattern that may be followed after all the major cities are released. Time between imagery dates and release for Seattle is 10 months.

The imagery I just pulled up for Chicago said it was taken in July of 2019. Chicago was released in April of 2020...so that's 9 months.

Just looked at DC, Philadelphia, and Boston. Imagery from DC and Philadelphia says June of 2019. Released in February of 2020. 8 months. Boston says July. Released February. 7 months.

New York is interesting. The imagery I pulled up says June 2019. It was released in September of 2019. 3 months.

I have yet to check the dates for Vegas, LA, SF, and Honolulu, but of the ones I mentioned...NYC seems to be an outlier in terms of time between imagery date and release date.
 
We know Apple already has all of the data they need. I think they're just choosing to release Look Around in major cities first. New York being released in three months was a coincidence, as the Northeast was one of the last regions surveyed ahead of the release of iOS 13. They probably wanted major cities like New York and Los Angeles to be the showrunners in showing off the new Look Around technology that iOS 13 made possible.
 
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Knowing that, we might be able to guess a pattern that may be followed after all the major cities are released. Time between imagery dates and release for Seattle is 10 months.

The imagery I just pulled up for Chicago said it was taken in July of 2019. Chicago was released in April of 2020...so that's 9 months.

Just looked at DC, Philadelphia, and Boston. Imagery from DC and Philadelphia says June of 2019. Released in February of 2020. 8 months. Boston says July. Released February. 7 months.

New York is interesting. The imagery I pulled up says June 2019. It was released in September of 2019. 3 months.

I have yet to check the dates for Vegas, LA, SF, and Honolulu, but of the ones I mentioned...NYC seems to be an outlier in terms of time between imagery date and release date.

Unless Apple is just doing this for select locations I do not see how Apple can maintain that time frame with the sheer area needed to be covered. If it is only select locations .... bummer
 
Unless Apple is just doing this for select locations I do not see how Apple can maintain that time frame with the sheer area needed to be covered. If it is only select locations .... bummer

I think people read too much into the timing and are forgetting some key things:
* First rollouts, whether one city or the first three, take way more time as they figure out if they did it correctly in the first place.
* Major cities have WAY more info, people, cars, etc. to review, block....and the feature itself is WAY more important there as an actual feature to help navigate to places or get info.
* The majority of the country (from a square miles perspective) can be handled quite easily by the AI set up to review car license plates, faces, etc. and will mostlikely be released either like the original updated Maps areas or in one large release IMHO.
* After the top 10 cities, I think Look Around releases will fly out the door...full USA by this time next year at the latest.
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Will do!

It’s probably taking it’s time rolling out. Justin O’Bierne has it updated on his site

It finally showed up for me this afternoon.

First post of iOS13 and this thread have been updated with the addition.
 
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I think people read too much into the timing and are forgetting some key things:
* First rollouts, whether one city or the first three, take way more time as they figure out if they did it correctly in the first place.
* Major cities have WAY more info, people, cars, etc. to review, block....and the feature itself is WAY more important there as an actual feature to help navigate to places or get info.
* The majority of the country (from a square miles perspective) can be handled quite easily by the AI set up to review car license plates, faces, etc. and will mostlikely be released either like the original updated Maps areas or in one large release IMHO.
* After the top 10 cities, I think Look Around releases will fly out the door...full USA by this time next year at the latest.
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It finally showed up for me this afternoon.

First post of iOS13 and this thread have been updated with the addition.
Great, thanks!

And as for what you said about the rest of the US after the top 10 cities...I could definitely see that happening. Especially when you consider that the entire US has already been driven around at least once. And now for some places, twice now.
 
Great, thanks!

And as for what you said about the rest of the US after the top 10 cities...I could definitely see that happening. Especially when you consider that the entire US has already been driven around at least once. And now for some places, twice now.

Justin has an interesting take on this (as always) and how it relates to some new/future features HERE.
 
Justin has an interesting take on this (as always) and how it relates to some new/future features HERE.
Yeah I just read that this morning, actually! Sure makes sense! It definitely starts to answer the question I had back when the most recent iPad Pro. I was pretty curious about why they included LiDAR.
 
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