This is exactly what I wanted to write too, but thought I shouldn’t bother… Thank you for pointing this out.
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iPad The iPad is not for traditional Mac users
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My favorite thing about the iPad and iPhone is that they've taken a lot of things previously too complex or cost prohibitive for most people and made them accessible. It can be argued that iOS devices in general have already usurped traditional Macs/PCs, even though the iPad is a smaller piece of that pie than the iPhone.
At the same time though, they're also both complex enough to stand on their own. I've written long form articles, created complex, multi-layer graphic designs, and knocked out video editing projects in record time on iPad Pro. Why should that not be considered a step in the right direction for the iPad? Because it's not on some slapped-on version of macOS? I say keep it. Apple just needs to keep making each device in the lineup do what it does best.
and that's probably a feature that could attrack many Windows users too... Windows tablets are far from iPad hardware-wise, they are heavier, loud and hot under load. And battery life is not even close. iPad could be a tablet when needed (and even Windows users already buy it as a tablet) and a true laptop, without qualifications, when that's what's needed...
Its unnecessary . (it can be solved differently)
Dual boot OS is not a solution. Its a patch to the problem. Most people don’t use dualboot and never have. Most people really just use one OS.
What I would like to see is Parallels coming to iPad or UTM to the AppStore.
I am not against having MacOS on iPad as an option (I have it in fact, thru JumpDesktop - and I use it daily - for all the software that’s not available on iPad - but I basically use it on iPad - with the MagicKeyboard and a Logitech MX S2 Mouse.)
I don’t think its a good product direction for Apple to put MacOS and iPadOS on it.
As for your problems and issues with iPadOS, what Apple needs to do is improve iPadOS untill you can only take your iPad and forget about your Mac. I sympathize with your problem.
I do acknowledge there is a problem - and I personally have this problem too. I solve it by using JumpDesktop to login into a MacOS Mac Pro Workstation.
The solution to this is not putting MacOS on iPad thought. What I see as a solution is the following.
1. Universal Apps. MacOS apps need to work on iPadOS
2. iPadOS needs to improve to have more professional features - and APIs to allow for pro mac grade software and mac grade system control *but keep the iPad simplicity - so rethink how it can be done.
I agree with that. I had a Surface Pro for work a few years ago and it was a miserable experience due to hardware. I could live with Windows as both tablet and PC but the device was thick, battery life was horrible, the stand was awkward and worst of all under any load the thing would blow hot air in my face while using as a tablet. I have spent some time with a Surface Pro X which solves a lot of those issues.
There is a big difference between remote desktop and a virtual machine or dual boot, one is dependent on the network, the other isn't. Dual boot is not necessarily the best option, a sub-system could be a better solution (like Android can run on Windows 11), as long as the solution is local, not dependent on the Internet connection
I do the core of my professional work 100% on my Mac.
The software to do it on iPad simply isn’t there.
But, if the software was there (the app I need), iPadOS would not present an issue to me.
Exactly.
yes fix the external display support ?
Even thou… external display support is actually App Developers issue not iPadOS issue that much… (some apps use the external display without scaling)
?? Agreed. ?
You make a great point.
We have built an device that provides the best tablet experience and by adding a Magic Keyboard it can provide the same amazing Mac experience you know from MacBooks. And since tablets work best with a touch interface, and laptops work best with a mouse/keyboard experience you can switch between the two based on which is best for your task at the moment.
I like the bold part.
Yes, if you look at it this way it can make a lot of sense. iPad does have a Keyboard and a trackpad / mouse - so it’s effectively a laptop. So why not alow it to be a laptop too.
It is a good point.
What I would need for it to be implemented nicely and me to be happy with it - is not dual booting between the two - but a switch in the iPad Settings (one you can also put in controlCenter) that when you press it iPad just switches between iPadOS UI and MacOS UI.
It would ofcourse remain one OS, and no reboots required, but you would have the option of having windows. This iPadOS MacOS UI would probably still have to be a bit different than MacOS to allow you to still use touch controls…
Maybe that switch is actually Windowed apps switch?
So you press it, get a really cool animation and all your apps become windowed like on MacOS. That would blow my mind tbh. It would be the coolest thing since TimeMachine animations… Yeah. That would be really amazing.
Maybe Apple should do it?
Control Centre switch to switch to windowed apps - desktop environment *(but still a bit modified to allow touch). Imagine the crazy animation that would transition from iPad UI to ‘MacOSlike’ UI. crazy.cool.
This would be something similar to Dex, a desktop mode, and it's already rumored to come, maybe even in iPadOS 16 already.
I would LOVE to have Parallels / UTM on iPad.
Might as well get UTM…
If this rumor turns out to be true, it would be fun to play around with.
Yes, I especially would love this to work on an external display, but at this point I'd take any improvement to iPadOS. Unforatunately for me it's rumored to be a M1 only feature....
So..
Rene is trying to say - iPad is just a toy deal with it?
also goes to dare that apple might even thing about making Mac run iPadOS?! WTF.
whats up with the whole demeaning of other users? Video Editing / Architecture / 3d Modeling / Photo Editing are some of the most demanding uses of computers… imagine taking MacOS from them and giving them some toy os like iPadOS ?
that would be a great way to force people to use windows I guess
Interesting you got those as the take aways from watching. My takeaway from watching it was "Apple didn't create the iPad for advanced/techie users - I was created for the masses. The techies saw a lot to like in the iPad and keep pushing Apple to get all they want".
Allowing virtualization software on the App Store would be the absolute easiest thing Apple could do to make us all happy. I hope that Parallels is lobbying Apple to be allowed to create a iPadOS version. Given I can use iPadOS for about 80% of what I want to do - I'd be content to use a VM for the remaining 20%. Would also allow Apple to upsell me on a 16GB iPad model instead of 8GB.
that was the tone of the video. it was trying to lower expectations and to try sell it as ‘normal’ or ‘okay‘. If Apple keeps insisting its users are idiots, but I know a lot of very savvy computer users - that are not ‘techies’ or ‘geeks’ just normal people that grew up in the 21 century…
I think Apple needs to rethink its strategy of treating its users as idiots, if it wants to survive the tech generation…
I think Apple needs to rethink its strategy of treating its users as idiots, if it wants to survive the tech generation…
I value, simplicity - not because I am an incapable idiot and can’t grasp anything other than super simplistic concepts - instead I value simplicity for the stunning beauty and virtuosity of it. True quality is in simplicity. It’s an aesthetic category, or philosophical thinking about relations.
Simple in Apples devices often means effortless, virtuous and skillful. Apples UI is not dumb, its the opposite of dumb its virtuous.
Well. I don’t look at the iPad as a geriatric toy for the incapable minds of 19 century… I look at it as an amazingly polished tool for the tech generations of 21 century.
I really do hope Apple realizes there are no computer illiterate people any more. Not that were born in the last 20 years, anyway. And we need more solutions that are ‘elegant’ not dummed down for idiots that can’t use a normal computer.
I really do hope Rene is wrong in his thinking about iPad and it doesn’t represent Apple’s thinking. iPad can - really - be so much more. And for me is. But, knowing that Apple doesn’t intend to keep handicapping it artificially because it wants geriatrics to use it, would be a welcome knowledge…
/// as you can see, the video got me pissed. I don’t see iPad as a toy for computer illiterate people born in the 19th century… I see it quite differently.
Simple in Apples devices often means effortless, virtuous and skillful. Apples UI is not dumb, its the opposite of dumb its virtuous.
Well. I don’t look at the iPad as a geriatric toy for the incapable minds of 19 century… I look at it as an amazingly polished tool for the tech generations of 21 century.
I really do hope Apple realizes there are no computer illiterate people any more. Not that were born in the last 20 years, anyway. And we need more solutions that are ‘elegant’ not dummed down for idiots that can’t use a normal computer.
I really do hope Rene is wrong in his thinking about iPad and it doesn’t represent Apple’s thinking. iPad can - really - be so much more. And for me is. But, knowing that Apple doesn’t intend to keep handicapping it artificially because it wants geriatrics to use it, would be a welcome knowledge…
/// as you can see, the video got me pissed. I don’t see iPad as a toy for computer illiterate people born in the 19th century… I see it quite differently.
I completely agree....the iPad is a computing appliance designed for the masses. So easy my 75yo parents can use it to access mail, banking, messaging and videoconferencing.
The problem is, it's "us nerds" who's always had the latest and greatest. We don't mind fiddling and tinkering and we want all that goodness of the iPad form factor with the traditional computing paradigm that we're all used to.
We just need to realise, the iPad was never about us.
The problem is, it's "us nerds" who's always had the latest and greatest. We don't mind fiddling and tinkering and we want all that goodness of the iPad form factor with the traditional computing paradigm that we're all used to.
We just need to realise, the iPad was never about us.
I find it ironic that most “internet know-it-alls“ uses the iPad i Laptop mode, ie hooked up to a keyboard. The iPad is so much more than that.
You're missing my point. Like a few others have pointed out, I see no reason why the OS couldn't be opened up / enhanced to facilitate the hosting of complex apps like audio and video processing without ruining the experience for people who already like it just as it is. Literally non of us frustrated by its certain limitations want the things it's already good at to be taken away.
And I completely disagree. Apple created this situation themselves, by creating the iPad pro first, then giving it M1 and a 16GB RAM version. This is not for the masses and it's more than fair to expect it to be able to do the work you do with a laptop with such a device. And iPadOS still needs a lot of improvement to get there.
Honestly I don't care about the iPad purists who are scared of any change that it would make more similar to a Mac.
I would be personally ok with either making the changes exclusive to the M1 iPads or taking the optional MacOS shortcut (wether it's virtualized or not), but at this stage iPadOS is severely handicapped and needs a lot of improvements for the iPad pro to deserve its name...
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