thats not an iPad thats a Macbook. Can I ask - do you own an iPad and do you use it regularly?
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iPad The iPad is not for traditional Mac users
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It’s not that I don’t understand it, it’s that I disagree with you that it is such a large leap to make an operating system touch friendly. At one point Windows wasn’t touch friendly either, but that didn’t stop Microsoft from making the Surface.
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No, it’s not a MacBook. It’s an iPad. Many people use a keyboard and touchpad cover with their iPad Pro.
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You can do that now with apps such as Parallels Access. User experience limited due to the small screen size. You point with your large finger rather than a mouse and icons are quite small.
It really baffles my mind how is it possible that so many people on a tech forum don’t have a glimpse of insight to realize putting a mouse/keyboard operating system on a touch first device is not a good idea…
it’s common sense that its not a good idea, yet, not a small number of people here are stubbornly convinced that‘s exactly what iPad is missing. a mouse+keyboard OS concept from the 80s.
Windows is still not touch friendly. Its a piece of garbage.
Moving in the right direction? Maybe. I don’t know the roadmap and neither do you. This thread has been about “iPad is more sophisticated” not “iPad is on a path to be more sophisticated.”
I went full iPad Pro for a year. I tried really hard. There are lots of posts from me defending the iPad a serious work machine that could be a laptop replacement. Mainly because I figured out workarounds to so many of the limitations of an app-focused device.
But then I got an M1 Air and realized what I’d been missing out on as a user.
“User” = social science university professor. Word and (One)Drive and Outlook and Slack are my main programs. M1 Air is better at all of them than an iPad.
Oh, the workarounds I forced myself to learn and use . . . Not worth it.
For you it is but I disagree with that completely. A Surface Pro 7 is my primary device.
By your example you seem to think bad concept and bad execution are the same thing. They are definitely not.
No matter what Microsoft claims, Microsoft doesn’t want to make windows touch friendly. Windows will always be a mouse and keyboard OS. Just look at the failed Microsoft smartphones that ran windows, they failed for a reason.
The problem is Apple keep sending mixed messages. On one hand they see it as a great, simple device for people who don't want to manage a Mac/PC. On the other hand they do adverts like "What's a computer", add trackpad/keyboard accessories etc, which gives people false hope (I mean, there's even Swift Playgrounds with support to publish to the App Store now).
Also, lukewarm take from me here but Apple doesn't know what to do with the iPad. It's artificially being held back to ensure it doesn't make people buy one device when they can buy two, IMO. If you look at iPadOS much of the development has been reactive (e.g. file system support, which didn't even ship with USB drive support until we complained, multitasking support (they're just trying to reinvent the wheel but it's sooooooooo complicated), half-assed external display support with the only proactive ideas being ones where they can sell you accessories (e.g. Apple Pencil, Magic Keyboard).
I don't think they've practiced restraint. I really think they're seeing how far they can get away with as little work as possible while giving people hope of an augmentable computer. I honestly wish they'd just open up at least the Pro lineup to allow us to ship third party tools (not just apps) to change it how we like because it's disappointing how little focus Apple has here and there's either no strong product direction for the iPad at Apple or those who have it are constantly being held back.
I echo this. Apple will probably never deliver the things I want from an iPad because it would potentially sap Mac sales. But as a consequence I see no point in buying a powerful iPad. I've just ordered myself a poverty-spec basic iPad to replace the mk1 Air which I've owned since launch, I see literally no point in buying a higher-end iPad when the OS and available apps limit the usability.
Man are you serious?
I don't know if you completely misunderstood what I said or if you are trying to be ironic...
But let's make it clear:
- I do want to use an iPad, I love iPads, otherwise I wouldn't bring them with me everywhere
- I like MacOS, otherwise I would have not bought my Macs. I just need some Windows only apps and I just happen to overall prefer Windows (which does not mean that MacOS does not have better things than Windows).
I have the impression that since you hate Windows (you said it's garbage), for you things are just black or white , so people can only love MacOS and hate Windows or viceversa, and not like both and slightly prefer one or the other.... And AMD has nothing to do here. I am not a fanboy of anything. I don't care about Intel, Apple, AMD or Samsung, I get what does the job best for me....
The fact that I would love to have MacOS in addition to iPadOS for use with a keyboard does not mean that I don't enjoy iPadOS for use without a keyboard, and sometimes also with a keyboard
You keep insisting on this...
Everyone here is saying the same thing, we don't want MacOS instead of iPadOS but in addition to it.
And you argument keeps being that it would be a bad idea because it lacks touch. Who cares?
I can run MacOS on my 12.9 or even on my 11 pro with Magic Keyboard via either remote desktop (with iPad resolution to use the full screen) or duet display and it works perfectly. Actually better than on my 11.6in air, which has a very poor resolution
I have invested quite a lot of time in iPadOS contrary to your assumption. Not specifically in photos because I don't care about photo, but in other areas, including music. And I made an example of its shortcomings yesterday. You can blame it on the apps lacking support for files, I also blame it on iPadOS for giving the only option of airdropping between 2 different iPads to send an mp3 to an app that does not support files, while this should have been possible with just one iPad...
Most people complaining about the iPad's artificially-imposed limitations don't give a flying ---- about games. Try being a musician, photographer or videographer. The limitations imposed by the OS and the lack of pro-grade apps for those high-profile purposes are not 'small complaints'. I'm certain there are others too, those are the ones I notice because they're my focus, especially music.
I occasionally take pictures or record audio sometimes. I legit would rather use the Mac instead of the iPad for editing. I have a larger screen and more controls that way. I also, I do understand that the iPad isn't well suited for a variety of fields as it currently is. This could be improved.
Also when I say "small complaints" I'm only referring to myself. What is one person's complaint is another person's non-issue after all. For example, with games, it is something I care about, I literally have a gaming PC and if Apple did gaming better on the iPad then I wouldn't need a Switch or whatever.
The two sides of this argument aren’t mutually exclusive, as in its fair to say iPadOS as it is today is far too limited without also wanting macOS on the iPad. That’s where I stand.
Apple just needs to do something serious with iPadOS. it’s a basic fork of iOS with little direction, that hasn’t earned the distinction.
If Apple won't give iPads a better OS which would encourage the development of pro-grade apps (but potentially steal $2k Mac sales), it would be nice at least if they would incorporate secure native screen-sharing via the internet so that we can screen-share our Macs remotely to our iPads to do tasks that our iPads can't do. The practical usefulness of such a facility will of course wholly depend on how great the internet access is at both ends, but third-party solutions to do this have been around for a decade (e.g. RDM+), albeit with different degrees of success because none of them are natively integrated with the OS(s). Apple wouldn't then need to worry about losing Mac sales to iPads by making iPadOS 'too good' because users would still need their Mac to reach back to.
Honestly, I don't think that Apple could do much better than third party remote desktop solutions. Jump desktop is great and it's what allows me to use the iPad pro with MK on the go as a laptop. You need to have a cellular iPad for that to work seamlessly, but I am perfectly fine with that. But where signal is low (or absent) it becomes an issue... So if you have something important that cannot be done on an iPad you need to be confindent that signal would be good enough where you go.
That's why, knowing that Apple will not do an iPad with MacOS, I would love to have a 2 pounds cellular Mac. I use the pencil a lot so ideally if that could support the pencil (like sidecar) it would be great (no need for touch). But I doubt it, as it would cannibalize the iPad sales. Still if it's light enough bringing it plus the iPad pro would still be fine.
@Charlie Carcinogen @Digitalguy I am not a closed person - I just think OSX on iPad - at this point - is a horrible idea. From a product standpoint and from a company standpoint.
That's the attitude you have shown in this thread. It's not just a matter of MacOS as an option on iPad being a horrible idea or not (we can disagree on that and still maintain an open attidute)