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I’ve heard that it does work with the Apple Pencil, but I’m not sure if it works completely.
It does, it also has some basic touch functions (zooming and some kind of scrolling), but that's it. Duet pro and Luna display support touch and trackpad (but are paid options). I made a detailed comparisons of all these solutions (including others) in a different thread
 
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It does, it also has some basic touch functions (zooming and some kind of scrolling), but that's it. Duet pro and Luna display support touch and trackpad (but are paid options). I made a detailed comparisons of all these solutions (including others) in a different thread
You should link to that thread while this one keeps on burning :D
 
iPad on its own is a pretty minimalist experience… as part of an ecosystem, it shines... When i can stream games to it from my consoles, when it can remote in to my Mac, when it can interface with my other devices without a single hitch; it is a full system… faceID, email, web surfing and video consumption are at their absolute best. As a consumption and lightly tasked creation device; the iPad Pro has no equal… as a straight up creation device… not so much.

I wouldn’t recommend a working professional rely only on an iPad. But, it is good at what it can do, and definitely would work for most non-power user’s needs.
 
Air. Macbook Air. And don't tell me that 2.8lbs is somehow burdensome.

Look, I get it... some of you want a 12" Air. Some want 13. Some want 14. But that way lies (SKU) madness and it confuses most buyers. "Wait, now I need to consider the 12" vs the 13"? What are the differences....".
I had a MacBook Air 13. I liked my MBA 11 a lot better. I would’ve bought a 12 inch MacBook if I was ready for a new laptop at that time, that was the size of an 11 but with a bigger display.

I disagree with your assessment that everyone should just use a 13 inch MacBook Air. I know for a fact that there is a huge market for smaller ultraportable notebooks. I have no idea why Apple left that space, but I wish they would return.

I also don’t understand the reasoning you used in your second paragraph. Apple has four different size iPhones this year, how many different size iPads? So I don’t understand what would be so confusing to consumers to have two different size MacBook Airs just like they have two different size MacBook Pro‘s.
 
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Because I don't care about MacOS, contrary to most people here. I even prefer windows. And on Windows I have a Sidecar equivalent that works with touch, trackpad and sound and it's amazing (I mentioned it last night).
What I want is Apple Silicon, long battery life, quiet and no overheating, while being fast. Does not exist on Windows....
well. you are not gonna get that ?
 
I sense @bondr006 ’s presence here ???
The big boys have arrived ❤️??

I’m just gonna welcome you ? and let you comment
love your comments
 
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I use both an iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro. Don’t mind the differences at all and don’t expect them to be alike.
 
I know for a fact that there is a huge market for smaller ultraportable notebooks. I have no idea why Apple left that space, but I wish they would return.

Much like the market for the iPhone mini, it’s probably not as huge as you think.

Mind, apart from Chromebooks, I don’t believe there’s a ton of sub-13” laptops nowadays. I have a ThinkPad X280 and I think it’s the last 12” Lenovo made. With that said, the 13” X1 Nano is even smaller and lighter than the X280. Honestly, it actually feels lighter than my iPP 12.9” with SmartFolio case.
 
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Much like the market for the iPhone mini, it’s probably not as huge as you think.

Mind, apart from Chromebooks, I don’t believe there’s a ton of sub-13” laptops nowadays. I have a ThinkPad X280 and I think it’s the last 12” Lenovo made. With that said, the 13” X1 Nano is even smaller and lighter than the X280. Honestly, it actually feels lighter than my iPP 12.9” with SmartFolio case.
Hey, I’m all for Apple making a 13 inch MacBook Air with a very small bezel and decreasing the overall size. ?
 
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I have had the 11.6 for years and was tempted by the 12in but there were too many issues and I finally gave up. The problem with the 11.6 is that it does not have 16GB RAM... and to be honest the screen resolution is trash....
So for my on the go use I have gone with a Samsung 13in laptop that is even lighter than the 12in Macbook, full hd, 16GB RAM, ports, but battery life was never great and is terrible now after almost 5 years and it tends to overheat under load.
I would love a 2 pounds M1/M2 laptop, hope it's in the making.... Another thing I would love is cellular, but Apple is stubborly leaving it as an iPad only feature for some reason.

I will wait and for this summer I think I'll bring my M1 mac mini and my iPad pro 11 with MK on holiday (and use it with either universal control or duet / luna display)

If Apple cannot come up with an ultralight Macbook or cannot at least offer cellular, I think I'll get a thinkpad nano with cellular at some point to replace my samsung....

Of course if iPad pro had MacOS I'd by the 16GB RAM cellular model, as I want my iPad pro anyway, not just a laptop, but that's never gonna happen.
I have two MacBook 12”, one produced in April 2015 (one of the first) and the other in July 2019 (one of the last), needless to say, they are my favorite Macs, despite all their flaws.

I used a last edition 12” PowerBook from 2005 to 2015, and the only real replacement was the MacBook 12”.

The reason for so much appreciation? It's an iPad, in fact it's better than an iPad, in terms of weight and size, but it's a Mac. An iPad will always remain only an iPad (and I love iPads, especially minis), it's great for those who need an iPad, but I'm not that young anymore and I'm better off doing some tasks with MacOS.
 
I have two MacBook 12”, one produced in April 2015 (one of the first) and the other in July 2019 (one of the last), needless to say, they are my favorite Macs, despite all their flaws.

I used a last edition 12” PowerBook from 2005 to 2015, and the only real replacement was the MacBook 12”.

The reason for so much appreciation? It's an iPad, in fact it's better than an iPad, in terms of weight and size, but it's a Mac. An iPad will always remain only an iPad (and I love iPads, especially minis), it's great for those who need an iPad, but I'm not that young anymore and I'm better off doing some tasks with MacOS.
What I would love to see is a 13in Macbook that has tiny bezels and weighs as much as the 12in Macbook, has 2 TB4 ports + MagSafe and a mini-lend screen. Hopefully M2 will support 32GB RAM and 2 external monitors. And really the ultimate dream would be cellular for this MacBook.
 
What I would love to see is a 13in Macbook that has tiny bezels and weighs as much as the 12in Macbook, has 2 TB4 ports + MagSafe and a mini-lend screen. Hopefully M2 will support 32GB RAM and 2 external monitors. And really the ultimate dream would be cellular for this MacBook.
I think that time has passed.

The MacBook 12” is clearly a product imagined and wanted by Ive (a tribute to the PowerBook 12” and the previous ones), and widely ostracized for this too.

As well as certain versions of Apple Watch (Ceramic Edition) or Apple Watch bracelets (grey and black steel, which featured other historic products from other brands).

But personally I don't even think it would make sense anymore: young people have to use tools designed by them and for them, and tablets are even old for that.

The near future (indeed, it would be better to say the present) would be an iPad Pro in various sizes with the ability to function as a keyboard when paired with another iPad/dock, with MacOS, and as a tablet.

After the iPad Duo (which follows Microsoft’s concept) the future should only concern wearables: Apple Watch that work like iPhones, with CPUs performing tasks for other wearables such as glasses, and rollable screens of any size that reproduce MacOS thanks to the power of the Apple Watch on the wrist.

It will never happen: Apple has to sell and earn, innovators have gone elsewhere, those who replaced them do not have the strength and vision to dictate the line to management and investors.
 
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I think that time has passed.

The MacBook 12” is clearly a product imagined and wanted by Ive (a tribute to the PowerBook 12” and the previous ones), and widely ostracized for this too.

As well as certain versions of Apple Watch (Ceramic Edition) or Apple Watch bracelets (grey and black steel, which featured other historic products from other brands).

But personally I don't even think it would make sense anymore: young people have to use tools designed by them and for them, and tablets are even old for that.

The near future (indeed, it would be better to say the present) would be an iPad Pro in various sizes with the ability to function as a keyboard when paired with another iPad/dock, with MacOS, and as a tablet.

After the iPad Duo (which follows Microsoft’s concept) the future should only concern wearables: Apple Watch that work like iPhones, with CPUs performing tasks for other wearables such as glasses, and rollable screens of any size that reproduce MacOS thanks to the power of the Apple Watch on the wrist.

It will never happen: Apple has to sell and earn, innovators have gone elsewhere, those who replaced them do not have the strength and vision to dictate the line to management and investors.
I think the death of traditional tools is greatly exaggerated....
Many thought that laptops and desktops were doomed many years ago and they are still here and not going anywhere.
Over 5 years ago a big CEO (of a Swiss luxury watch company) said smartphones were bound to be replaced in 5 years by wearables and other new techs.... Didn't happen either...

Let me make a crazy prediction. Laptops and smartphones are here to stay for decades. New form factors will join them, take some market share, but not replace them, because some things will not change:
1. We want an all screen device that can fit in our pocket, foldable or not. A watch will not replace it.
2. We need keyboards and a decent size screen to work, and this will never fit in a pocket. Smartphones will not replace laptops.
3. People want a phyical keyboard for a laptop, not a screen.

Going back to the subject, it's a great time for a Macbook successor with Apple Silicon
 
Nope. A 15" MacBook Air would be ideal or a mythical hybrid OS iPad.

For now, I try and consume more on my iPad (but even then there are limitation) and leave the real work for my desktop.
I feel like guys like AlumaMac get some special kind of pleasure from demeaning iPads… weird.. ?
 
I am personally in the Make-It-Run-macOS boat because freaking iPadOS has so many little bugs and inconsistencies that I simply have to use my MacBook in order to make sure I don’t lose my data. And that’s just for little things like file management and documents! I simply cannot trust it.

But there are times where I just want the screen without a keyboard! I would love an M1 iPad Pro running macOS because it would allow me to cut down my device collection. I would use that thing nonstop.
 
I am not even asking for that much, I just want Apple to let the damn Sidecar have touchscreen and trackpad support (and sound, while we are at it...)
But, you dont even want to use an iPad. Why are you even here discussing this (for real?) You hate both iPads and MacOS and you like windows but hate Intels crappy hardware.. So… What are you doing here?

Just get an AMD and call it a day.
 
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I am personally in the Make-It-Run-macOS boat because freaking iPadOS has so many little bugs and inconsistencies that I simply have to use my MacBook in order to make sure I don’t lose my data.

But there are times where I just want the screen without a keyboard! I would love an M1 iPad Pro running macOS because it would allow me to cut down my device collection. I would use that thing nonstop.
I think iPads should run MacOS if for no other reason than because they are so damn powerful.
 
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I agree with Digitalguy. There’s absolutely nothing good about the limitations we have now. I understand Apple wanting to make it easier for grandma, and they could continue doing that. But that doesn’t mean that they can’t have a setting to change to allow us power users to do things differently.

I’ve been in that exact situation where I wanted to use a file from one program in a different one and there was simply no way to do it. It’s 2022 and these tablets are super powerful, there’s no excuse why you can’t do something so basic.
Here is what you are missing. MacOS on iPad is a horrible idea.
Look if you don't trust me - go ahead and try it. Install Jump Desktop and VNC into a MacOS. And just work in it for a while. Than tell me what to you prefer

And it wont be OSX.
 
I’ve been in that exact situation where I wanted to use a file from one program in a different one and there was simply no way to do it. It’s 2022 and these tablets are super powerful, there’s no excuse why you can’t do something so basic.
they can. you just use crappy software for them.
but its up to your software not up to iPad OS.

how do I know? Well what you described is not a problem for me. For me it works as it should.
And we talked about this before. iPad is way more powerful than people realize - especially people that never wanted an ipad in the first place and want to use their stone age type workflows ?. Or second group - people that want a POWERHOUSE Workstation. iPad is not a powerhosue workstation, if its not already obvious. For that you need a desktop.

But, dont blame iPad if you are using it wrong / or using old and/or bad developed software…
it’s not iPads fault…
 
Again, easier yes, more efficient, no. For old people yes. I made the example of my 80-year old mother yesterday.
For people with more sofisticated needs, no. I want to be able to easily open/move file with/to multiple apps, not just the photos app, and a centralized location is more efficient for that.
you can you just don't know how because you never invested time to learn and you just want to do it the windows way… Photos app is a centralized location btw… ?
 
I think iPads should run MacOS if for no other reason than because they are so damn powerful.
How ? How will you use it? MacOS is not touch friendly?
It amazes me how people don't understand that. Do you know why windows for touch failed? Because it was exactly what you want to put on iPad now. It was a garbage os that was not designed for touch.

iPad will never ever have anything other than iPadOS.. so. idk what to tell you.. deal with it I guess ??‍♂️
But thats for the better too. We need a touch first OS not a mouse/keyboard first OS on a tablet… how is this not obvious to a such a large group of people? Could you please explain…


I think what you actually want is iPadOS to get a few more features, but mostly get more Pro apps. But you call that MacOS, even thou MacOS on iPad would be the worst idea ever. Thats what killed windows mobile computing let me remind you ? And I wholeheartedly agree with iPad getting more pro apps, getting a few tweaks here and there— it’s a great system , but it still has quite a few things to improve and sort of long way to go.! to reach it’s full potential. To me, thats a reason for celebration *(but we should probably keep discussions like this where we complain about it - since that might sort of keep Apple innovating. hm maybe? I would like to think so at least.)

Have a great day btw :D
 
Here is what you are missing. MacOS on iPad is a horrible idea.
Look if you don't trust me - go ahead and try it. Install Jump Desktop and VNC into a MacOS. And just work in it for a while. Than tell me what to you prefer

And it wont be OSX.
I’m not going to do that.

Tell me why Apple can’t make OSX work on a tablet that has a keyboard and trackpad cover attached to it?
 
they can. you just use crappy software for them.
but its up to your software not up to iPad OS.

how do I know? Well what you described is not a problem for me. For me it works as it should.
And we talked about this before. iPad is way more powerful than people realize - especially people that never wanted an ipad in the first place and want to use their stone age type workflows ?. Or second group - people that want a POWERHOUSE Workstation. iPad is not a powerhosue workstation, if its not already obvious. For that you need a desktop.

But, dont blame iPad if you are using it wrong / or using old and/or bad developed software…
it’s not iPads fault…
Again, I completely disagree with you.

You are using your own anecdotal evidence with a control of 1 to say that everything works just because it works for you in your situations.

It’s not the fault of the apps that I use that the operating system on the tablet doesn’t allow me access to the file system and doesn’t allow me to choose a file and which app to open it in. That is the core function of all computing, but taken away for the iPhone in the iPad. Maybe at the beginning it was a good idea, but not now.
 
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