iPad Pro The iPad PRO is finally PRO.

[hovscorpion12]

The perfect combination is what exists with Samsung Dex on the Tab S8/S9 Ultra.

It's simple turn off/on while maintaining the base OS. Zero sacrifices. This is what Apple needs to copy. Not MacOS.

 

[fenderbass146]

Sorry, but no engineer is going to put the time nor the effort to do this. The reason why Dual boot on PC/Macs work so well is that they complement each other. From files to programs. Everything flows in sync. VMs on MacOS does require some storage and RAM sacrifice in order to work. Same with having Linux and Windows installed on same PC.

VM's require RAM & SSD assignment. If Apple dual booted MacOS Sonoma, it requires 2GB minimum. With an 8GB of RAM iPad model, sacrificing 2GB or higher both MacOS and the iPad will experience significant performance issues. Even if you have the 16GB of RAM model, your still sacrificing half of the iPads performance.

It wouldn't have to be a true VM, I was more describing the behavior. It almost be like opening an app or switching a mode and it would allow full Mac OS. It's my impression they are built on the same core/platform.

Also, it it required a reboot/dual boot, it would have all the resources it needs and it would be easy to make the same storage for files accessible.

 

[leifp]

Call me cynical, but I don’t think today’s Apple would go for this, given that it would reduce Mac sales.

Maybe a few year ago when the company was more daring to compete with its own existing product lines to create new uses. But I think this time is gone.

It won’t reduce my purchase of Macs. It would change my purchase plans for the new iPad Pros from “probably not” to “sold”

 

[hovscorpion12]

It wouldn't have to be a true VM, I was more describing the behavior. It almost be like opening an app or switching a mode and it would allow full Mac OS. It's my impression they are built on the same core/platform.

Also, it it required a reboot/dual boot, it would have all the resources it needs and it would be easy to make the same storage for files accessible.

By definition, A 1:1 ratio of specs between the two. Rather than a shared spec of typical VM?

For ex. A 16GB of RAM iPad can boot MacOS with full 16GB RAM available, rather the 8GB shared between MacOS + iPadOS.

 

[robvalentine]

With all the upgrades the iPad Pro is actually PRO now. Even with an OLED display and a new M4 CPU it can flex 💪 on MacBooks.

It ain't pro with iPad os

 

[ofarlig]

What I think Apple would want to do is bring the AppStore MacOS apps to the iPad Pros, more sales means more commission for Apple. I don’t want MacOS with window management and such, that is the reason I prefer my iPad Pro over a MacBook Pro in the first place. But being able to install MacOS apps from the AppStore on my iPad Pro and have them run like any other iPad app would be great.

 

[MajorFubar]

My only question is, what does this new M4 iPad do for you that the current Pro does not? Seems to me it's like shoving a 750BHP V12 into a car whose top speed is still limited to 60mph.

 

[hovscorpion12]

My only question is, what does this new M4 iPad do for you that the current Pro does not? Seems to me it's like shoving a 750BHP V12 into a car whose top speed is still limited to 60mph.

As of next week, video creators will see significant increase in export times when compared to M2. Cooler temps, better performance in photo edits. Anything further would be shown off in June, released in Sept/Oct

 

[DaniTheFox]

If they don’t add a macOS option next month then all hope is lost

I am using apps on my iPad Pro. What are people playing with a OS. I know I have programmed Real-Time OS in assembler 40 Years ago. It was fun. It had a text editor. But this was and is not the OS. I am using Safari, Music etc. An they are in the meantime the same as MacOS which I am using since the beginning.
But Microsoft Teams is not on the same level as the one on Windows. It can not use an external camera. And that’s the problem. Isn’t?

 

[ofarlig]

My only question is, what does this new M4 iPad do for you that the current Pro does not? Seems to me it's like shoving a 750BHP V12 into a car whose top speed is still limited to 60mph.

Lighter, OLED-screen, landscape camera placement, better and lighter keyboard. Seems like a worthwhile upgrade to me.

 

[hovscorpion12]

I am using apps on my iPad Pro. What are people playing with a OS. I know I have programmed Real-Time OS in assembler 40 Years ago. It was fun. It had a text editor. But this was and is not the OS. I am using Safari, Music etc. An they are in the meantime the same as MacOS which I am using since the beginning.
But Microsoft Teams is not on the same level as the one on Windows. It can not use an external camera. And that’s the problem. Isn’t?

I do know that iPadOS 17 does allow external camera and mics. Is could be that MSFT teams that is not updated?

 

[DaniTheFox]

I do know that iPadOS 17 does allow external camera and mics. Is could be that MSFT teams that is not updated?

Your are right. And I think that is the problem which the people see and feel. I mean it is fun to use a command prompt to delete every file with a „xyz“ in the filename with the extension „.old“. But I’m miles away since the first Macintosh.
As long the apps are not on the same level as on other OS we will have this feeling. I mean in Photos I can not do keywords. Sorry it starts here and Logic Pro has also some shortcomings.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

It is public knowledge that the iPhones and iPads do not use standard SSDs but NAND Flash storage which is embedded within the main System-On-Chip (SoC). iPads do not come with eMMC storage or UFS.

This is why iPhones and iPads do not suffer from "swap memory" as much as Macs do and nor can users see it. Also why iPhones and iPads do not have the same read/write as Macs do with the equivalent SSD.

a 1TB iPad does not have the same R/W as a 1TB Macbook Air

You're kind of splitting hairs here. SSDs are NAND flash chips. Difference is that, in an SSD, NAND chips are linked up to a controller that handles incoming and outgoing data.

In the Mx Series, the SoC directly accesses the NAND chips, removing the abstraction layer provided by the SSD controller.

My understanding is that iPhones and iPads do swap to SSD (very aggressively, I'll add), but because there's no way for the user to see this, it is effectively transparent.

 

[Isengardtom]

The perfect combination is what exists with Samsung Dex on the Tab S8/S9 Ultra.

It's simple turn off/on while maintaining the base OS. Zero sacrifices. This is what Apple needs to copy. Not MacOS.

Agreed.
I won’t like it if they simply replace iPadOS with MacOS

 

[ProbablyDylan]

By definition, A 1:1 ratio of specs between the two. Rather than a shared spec of typical VM?

For ex. A 16GB of RAM iPad can boot MacOS with full 16GB RAM available, rather the 8GB shared between MacOS + iPadOS.

You guys are overthinking it. MacOS already supports iPad/iOS apps, Apple just needs to implement the opposite in iPadOS (that is to say, enable execution of Mac Apps).

 

[Analog Kid]

I think people have a point: there are many ways in which ipadOS is much more restrictive than a desktop platform: Apps can only operate in a walled garden (both their distribution and execution), access to the hardware is more limited, access to the file system is more limited, ability to automate tasks is more limited, ability to multitask is more limited, and the list goes on. If Apple doesn’t think those things are suitable for an iPad it is fine, but then I would agree with others that their marketing (and arguably pricing) is misrepresenting the device capabilities.

The truth is that most professional systems are getting more and more locked down over time for security reasons. Most of the things you're calling "pro" here are seen as liabilities in many professional contexts.

Unfortunately, it still uses the same rear camera sensor from iPhone XS/XR. Not Pro in that respect.

Because "Pros" are using their iPad camera for "professional" work? Despite Apple's aspirational marketing, Pros using mobile cameras for professional work is the rare exception. It's the equivalent to a musician composing on kazoo.

 

[JPack]

Because "Pros" are using their iPad camera for "professional" work. Despite Apple's aspirational marketing, Pros using mobile cameras for professional work is the rare exception. It's the equivalent to a musician composing on kazoo.

Having a better sensor for low light (taken from iPhone 11 or newer) to scan documents would help. You don't need to be a super professional user to take photos indoors to document things for note taking or to show a colleague an object.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Because "Pros" are using their iPad camera for "professional" work? Despite Apple's aspirational marketing, Pros using mobile cameras for professional work is the rare exception. It's the equivalent to a musician composing on kazoo.

Document scanning. Our office scanner is the least reliable machine in the building, we all just use Notes to scan our documents and email ourselves the PDF. They literally redesigned the flash module for better document scanning.

 

[WilliApple]

The OS is what is now holding behind the iPad.

Once Apple makes a good operating system, all hope is here for the iPad.

 

[StuBeck]

If they don’t add a macOS option next month then all hope is lost

Yep, the OS is still the core issue, I know there are things this one can do my 4th gen can't...but it also can't do simple things that my MBP can...still...for more money potentially.

 

[Analog Kid]

Having a better sensor for low light (taken from iPhone 11 or newer) to scan documents would help. You don't need to be a super professional user to take photos indoors to document things for note taking or to show a colleague an object.

Document scanning. Our office scanner is the least reliable machine in the building, we all just use Notes to scan our documents and email ourselves the PDF. They literally redesigned the flash module for better document scanning.

Apple specifically improved document scanning at the system level. It doesn't matter how good a sensor is, it won't remove uneven lighting. Apple addressed that need directly for the "pros".

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Apple specifically improved document scanning at the system level. It doesn't matter how good a sensor is, it won't remove uneven lighting. Apple addressed that need directly for the "pros".

Right - Apple made these new iPads more Pro. We're in agreement.

 

[apparatchik]

Spot on. I have a 12.9in 2018 iPad Pro. The new M4 iPad Pro would allow me to do nothing more. Absolutely nothing. And given the rumours (or lack of), I suspect we aren't getting much for iPad OS at WWDC. As soon as proper windowing, file management, etc come to the iPad I will drop £1,500 on a new one. Until then, my 2018 iPad is doing just fine.

What can you do on a 2024 laptop that you couldn't do on a 2018 one? Surely essentially the same just faster.

 

[ndouglas]

For the amount of money you spend just add hotspot on your phone if it doesn’t have it already. Just saved you hundreds of dollars if not thousands.

Possibly, but since I don’t have a major phone carrier I don’t have the option to hotspot, and ignoring the battery drain for that, seems like whatever savings to refer to would be “a wash” given the extra money spent on the expensive plans with hotspot capability.

 

[Sami13496]

You’re reasoning backwards… with that device you have double the battery life, since there’s a battery in the keyboard and one in the display. It weighs less since there’s no two displays to carry, and you can still just grab the device you want, just the display unit, or the display and the keyboard base. You’re really trying to dismiss the obvious solution instead of trying to see the viewpoint of people you’re talking to.

Ok, I get your point. But if Apple makes 13 inch iPad Pro with MacBook style detachable keyboard (like they just announced) running macOS instead of iOS then that will basically replace MacBook Air. I don’t know how many units they sell but I bet MacBook Air is too popular to risk it. Unless… they price it well higher. The MacPad 2in1 I mean.