iPad Pro The iPad PRO is finally PRO.

[MayaUser]

Agree with you it isn’t a game changer, but I guess the OP’s point is that on the M1/M2 iPad Pro, some of those specs were not up to speed with other devices which Apple calls “Pro” (especially the display).

when the mini-Led was announced it was a "pro" on OP standards..so, its a tablet still no matter what and its nothing wrong with it

 

[Gelam]

I think you have some good points there. I understand as to why you would say MacOS UI feels more refined, in general, I would rate Apple design language more refined and of higher quality than pretty much anything else.

Unfortionatley when it comes to productivity, beauty is less important than eficiency.
Let me give you a simple example.

Windows has almost no animations. MacOS has some, and iPadOS has quite a lot.

So, iPadOS looks the best in this regard. But, it is also the slowest , since animations take precious seconds off your work. And those seconds compound, but not only that, windows feels snappier - since it really is, whilst on iPad, or even MacOS oftentimes I have to wait for the animation to finish doing it’s thing, so I can continue working
**Window management, clicking, dragging, right mouse click and so on… and especially on iPad.

So that’s just one example, but there are many like it. Windows seems to have been build with a more - get it done efficiently - philosophy, whilst macOS is more in line with - get it done beautifully. Even thou I do appreciate beauty, I like efficiency better when working in a professional setting.


I generally use Edge now, and I like it. It feels fast, simple and stable.

Oh my I fully agree that windows is a lot more easy for productivity and possibilities. There is so many and direct ways to do things. It is the best OS for that.

As per your point in your comments above and below, I fully dread on when I have to do file management and drag and drop images into a pages/keynote document in iPadOS when I get this M4 iPP. (Never owned an iPad), will have to relearn and make so many work arounds for that!

you should try windows. you will be surprised. It is way better and more stable than MacOS. Tables have turned.
btw - I am a 15years macOS user, that recently started using windows again. Windows is better - simpler - cleaner, for the most part.

In fact, if we are talking about UI unfriendliness, iPadOS is probably the winner in this category. It’s just painfully slow and cumbersome to do pretty much anything remotely complex on the iPad, other than opening a random youtube video. And I say this as a 3 years iPad Only advanced user.

 

[Macalway]

Windows 11 is fine. About the same as Mac OS. Problem is hardware. I have a Galaxy Book4 Pro with a 14th gen Intel 155H Core, the latest most common CPU presently. It's great, but still makes the fan go crazy just like they have been doing for 20 years. 28W with efficiency cores, and it's a big advance for them, but still behind the curve.

 

[RedWeasel]

I agree ipadOS is fine as a tablet (touch) OS, but I think the complaints are partly coming from Apple’s somewhat unclear positioning of the iPad Pro as a potential laptop replacement.

I think people have a point: there are many ways in which ipadOS is much more restrictive than a desktop platform: Apps can only operate in a walled garden (both their distribution and execution), access to the hardware is more limited, access to the file system is more limited, ability to automate tasks is more limited, ability to multitask is more limited, and the list goes on. If Apple doesn’t think those things are suitable for an iPad it is fine, but then I would agree with others that their marketing (and arguably pricing) is misrepresenting the device capabilities.

Having said that I don’t think people asking for macOS are being realistic. In its current form, macOS simply isn’t designed for a tablet form factor so the switch between tablet mode and “laptop” mode would be a very poor UX (basically 2 different OSs). IMO the more “Pro” feature set should rather come from an expansion of ipad OS which would be closing the feature gaps with macOS while taking into consideration the hybrid laptop/tablet experience which Apple is trying to sell and allow for seamless switching between the two modes.

Very much this. It doesn't have to be macOS, but it should be *drum roll* iPad OS Pro.

For example, at least give us multiuser. Both me and my wife could use such a device for various things, but we're gonna buy two of them (and yes, I know this is what Apple wants me to do).

And as you said, give iPad OS a proper "laptop" mode. There are use cases where I prefer a tablet and there are use cases where I prefer a laptop, and again, I don't want to buy a tablet and a laptop (and again, I know this is what Apple wants me to do).

 

[RedWeasel]

Those things seem to be terrible at least on Windows side of things.

When you say they "seem" to be terrible, are you speaking of experience or just from having watched reviews on YouTube or similar channels?

 

[RedWeasel]

iPadOS is macOS adapted for a touch-first user interface.

No, iPadOS is iOS blown up for the larger screens of tablets.

 

[RedWeasel]

Hey! If you pay an extra million dollars more you can get 16GB.

And you also get the privilege of upgrading to nanotexture glass, so you will please stop complaining now?

 

[bob24]

No, iPadOS is iOS blown up for the larger screens of tablets.

And as a matter of fact, what Apple now calls iOS and iPadOS simply used to be called iOS regardless of running on an iPhone or an iPad.

 

[iPadified]

well, I am an architect. sorry to burst your bubble, but we are probably the most advanced computer users out there. and no - iPad has exactly zero professional software for architects. In fact MacOS is not that great either

Well, are you not showing concepts for client on meetings, no field work or are you just siting in front of your desk and draw? I agree, apps for MacOS are not great for 3D drawing and rendering.

 

[RedWeasel]

Just try to get it: iPads are for other users than those that need or want MacOS. That includes artists (many kinds), teachers, pilots, architects, scientists etc that are not tied to a desk all the time and for which MacOS is spectacularly poorly designed.

Just try to get it: There are users who have a need for both and would like to have it all in one device, not two.

 

[RedWeasel]

And as a matter of fact, what Apple now calls iOS and iPadOS simply used to be called iOS regardless of running on an iPhone or an iPad.

And it was initially called iPhone OS up to and including version 3. It was renamed to iOS with version 4 because it was not only running on phones anymore.

 

[Starscape]

So, can it actually perform multitasking? If not, it's definitely not 'pro'.

 

[dumastudetto]

No, iPadOS is iOS blown up for the larger screens of tablets.

iOS was built off macOS. And previously iOS was the iPad OS, before they forked it.

 

[engbren]

While I would love for Apple to allow virtualized alternative OSes on iPadOS that isn’t strictly necessary to fix the most glaring problems in iPadOS.

Background tasks need to be allowed to run freely if authorized by the user.

The Files app needs to be fixed so that it isn’t insanely slow and buggy. I’d rather have a macOS style system but I could work with an improved Files app.

The windowing system is still terrible on iPadOS. Just bite the bullet and give a free floating window mode. Problem solved. Anyone who likes the current system with stage manager can continue to use those modes.

All of these plus an improved clipboard / copy / paste system. When working on large documents, it is common to want to pull content from multiple other sources, including mixes of text and rich content. Something macOS handles with ease but such a common task seems to break frequently in iPadOS.

 

[bob24]

And it was initially called iPhone OS up to and including version 3. It was renamed to iOS with version 4 because it was not only running on phones anymore.

Yep, actually it is a bit awkward that they originally renamed it from iPhone OS to iOS as a way to signify that it wasn’t just for phones anymore, and eventually changed the iOS branding to be phone-only while other variants did get the device name in the OS name (iPadOS, watchOS, tvOS). Going back to something like iPhoneOS would have been more consistant.

 

[RedWeasel]

iOS was built off macOS. And previously iOS was the iPad OS, before they forked it.

iOS is using the same kernel as macOS (XNU) and also some of the same foundation frameworks, but the UI frameworks are separate.

So the relationship between iOS and macOS is more like siblings, not like parent and child.

 

[bob24]

iOS was built off macOS. And previously iOS was the iPad OS, before they forked it.

The low level stuff indeed came from OSX (it wasn’t called macOS at the time), but all the top layers of the OS (the UI and other stuff) were specific to the iPhone and then ported to the iPad. So there is clearly more commonality between iPadOS and iOS than there is between iPadOS and macOS.

 

[menist]

Specs are finally Pro, still needs the Apps to catch up, like AVP 😛

 

[bob24]

Specs are finally Pro, still needs the Apps to catch up, like AVP 😛

This is a pretty good summary, although I would add that Apps and the OS still need to catch-up with the hardware.

 

[kfury77]

I'm pretty disappointed with it really.
- No always-on screen option like iPhones have. I would have liked that to have it beside my computer monitor while working.
- Still no GPS on the Wi-Fi only model (even though cheapest Apple Watch has it)
- Cameras weren't upgraded so are not as good as iPhone 15 - and Ultra-wide camera removed
- Only one single USB-C port.
- No RAM improvement - still same 8GB as standard as the old M1iPad Pro

 

[dumastudetto]

iOS is using the same kernel as macOS (XNU) and also some of the same foundation frameworks, but the UI frameworks are separate.

So the relationship between iOS and macOS is more like siblings, not like parent and child.

Of course the UI frameworks are separate. One is a traditional pointer interface UI, and the the other is primarily touch.

The result of what we see today is Apple's work taking macOS and turning it into the world's most advanced mobile operating system. iOS and iPadOS are already versions of macOS for mobile devices.

 

[darthbane2k]

Spot on. I have a 12.9in 2018 iPad Pro. The new M4 iPad Pro would allow me to do nothing more. Absolutely nothing. And given the rumours (or lack of), I suspect we aren't getting much for iPad OS at WWDC. As soon as proper windowing, file management, etc come to the iPad I will drop £1,500 on a new one. Until then, my 2018 iPad is doing just fine.

I’m hearing the 2018 iPads lose iOS support this year, which was one of the reasons I decided to upgrade. Could be wrong though. Guess we find out in June.

 

[Torty]

How much TOPS to be considered AI? And what is the rumored A18 TOPS?

I thought the M4 is based on the upcoming A18?

Microsoft considered at least 40 TOPS to call a PC an “AI PC”

 

[Jim Lahey]

It finally has screen technology commensurate with this millennium, but otherwise I'm not convinced. Virtually no IO, no user accounts and half an operating system. It's undoubtedly the most Pro iPad so far, but that is always the case with each iteration. In isolation it's just another iPad but this time with extra tinsel and a MacBook-class price tag.

All only in my opinion of course.

 

[Gelam]

Microsoft considered at least 40 TOPS to call a PC an “AI PC”

I see what you mean. While the M4 is 38 TOPS close enough to 40 TOPS, I can see the rumored A18 having double the NPU core count being much more suitable for generative AI with the potential of 80+ TOPS. Looks like M5 will be the AI PC Apple will release.