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Sheepish-Lord

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Many more reasons than this but, 1) Macbook Airs have no cellular option 2) no more 11 or 12” size, 3) the utility of the pencil is quite useful (sometimes, but enough to be another reason) 4) ios games (not a big one for me but sometimes nice to relax … 5) camera for (also minor but useful enough the times I need it, like document photos)

For my purposes, #1 above is really huge, having to get wifi passwords at cafes, libraries, airports and so many public places is a pain, and 50-80% of the time after all that hassle their wifi is horrible compared to my mediocre but “fine” $10/month cellular service. #3 is pretty useful for me too, marking up documents for work.

That being said, I do share others’ wishes for more MacOS file system features. The “Files” app was/is a welcome change and step, but the lack of TextEdit (I’ve tried many 3rd party ipad alternatives) remains quite inconvenient.
For the amount of money you spend just add hotspot on your phone if it doesn’t have it already. Just saved you hundreds of dollars if not thousands.
 
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bob24

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Yes, that is basically what I was trying to say. iPad OS is iOS adapted to bigger screens. It's not macOS adapted to tablets, at least not directly.

And to add to this, in the context of this discussion (making the iPad a more “Pro” device), the UI, Apps ecosystem, software flexibility, and tasks management it what matters. The base layer of the OS (which was always the same as macOS) is irrelevant to the discussion.

It is clear that from this perspective iPadOS has a closer feature set to iOS than to macOS.
 
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bob24

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Still just a bigger iPhone for my uses.

It works for me as a laptop replacement for basic productivity tasks.

For sure there are a lot more limitations compared to a MacBook and it isn’t a full laptop replacement. But the larger screen and availability of a nicely integrated keyboard/trackpad mean to me it is more than just a “bigger iPhone” as there are things I do on the iPad which wouldn’t really do on the iPhone as it would be too impractical.
 

dumastudetto

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Yes, that is basically what I was trying to say. iPad OS is iOS adapted to bigger screens. It's not macOS adapted to tablets, at least not directly.

Not directly, but its roots are very much in macOS. The bottom line.... iPadOS is the vision of what Apple thinks macOS should be when deployed on tablets.
 

Contact_Feanor

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Perhaps, but what is the argument against having iPad and MBA? They both so thin and light it wouldn’t be hard to carry around. And at home even easier, just grab the device you need at a given moment. With this solution you basically have one screen less in terms of stuff to carry. And half battery life compared to having both devices. Many want this hybrid to happen but is there really enough added value?
You’re reasoning backwards… with that device you have double the battery life, since there’s a battery in the keyboard and one in the display. It weighs less since there’s no two displays to carry, and you can still just grab the device you want, just the display unit, or the display and the keyboard base. You’re really trying to dismiss the obvious solution instead of trying to see the viewpoint of people you’re talking to.
 
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iOS is using the same kernel as macOS (XNU) and also some of the same foundation frameworks, but the UI frameworks are separate.

memory consumption and memory management are very different.

iOS and iPadOS apps run with a smaller footprint, use less system resources, don't run login items that hog the system, run differently in the background, release themselves from memory when they are not in view, etc
 
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xDKP

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Absolutely nothing. There is zero more pro with this version than the was with the original M1. It is still massively retarded by iPadOS!

Edited: clarity

I have an iPad Pro 11" that still runs super quick - not like I really think the M4 was even close to be needed with the current OS
 
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aevan

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Ok. I'll entertain this notion. I'll say MacOS has no utility. All that horsepower in the M3 Max/M2 Ultra with nothing to show for it.

1. How many pro apps are actually optimized for 64GB+ RAM Apple Silicon
2. Mid file sistem
3. Insane GPU with less than 5 games to show off
4. Insane GPU w/RT, but game devs still prefer UE5 on Windows
5. 16-core Neural Engine w/ 18 TOPs

I can go all day.

Real PROs work with Windows

Is this sarcasm? Lol.

Anyway - to answer 1. - almost all of them? I mean, at least the ones I use.
2. "Mid file system" is some weird ass nonsense so I won't comment.
3. Real PROs - but talking about how many games Mac has.

Etc. I'll just assume anyone who says lines like "REAL PROS use PRODUCT X" are either joking or still a teenager.
 

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I have photography apps such as Topaz that don't work on iPad OS so I stick to my iMac.

I doubt they will ever put MacOs on iPad - it would eat into the sales of MacBooks. Can't allow that!

Everyone's use case is different.
I also don't see MacOS on iPad. They must how ever expand and mature the OS. It's childishly simplistic and not suitable for Pro use in many cases. Even for a home user it's pitiful that it still doesn't come with multi user login. It's toy like in many ways, when it doesn't need to be.
 

hovscorpion12

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Is this sarcasm? Lol.

Anyway - to answer 1. - almost all of them? I mean, at least the ones I use.
2. "Mid file system" is some weird ass nonsense so I won't comment.
3. Real PROs - but talking about how many games Mac has.

Etc. I'll just assume anyone who says lines like "REAL PROS use PRODUCT X" are either joking or still a teenager.

It is 100% sarcasm. LOL.
 

hovscorpion12

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I can guarantee this.

If Apple were to bring MacOS to iPad, the first thing people are going to do is open task manager and complain about RAM usage to the end of time. or how come they can't see SSD health.

**Apple doesn't use SSDs on iPads**

- How "8GB on iPad is not enough"
- Why is my iPad using X amount of RAM
- How do I clear SDRAM

All the same complaints Mac users have been saying since 1990s. Also, Apple would be forced to completely rewrite MacOS to divulge information on the iPad in the System Information app.

These are all the apps built in to MacOS. Your telling me with a straight face you actually want ALL of these.

The vast majority of these softwares won't work anyway since they require SPECIFIC HARDWARE.


or would you rather have a fully fleshed out iPadOS that is an extremely powerful hybrid of MacOS.

There's a reason Tim Cook is the CEO. Because he's cookin'

Let Apple Cook.
 
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fenderbass146

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So, when you remove it form the keyboard…does it just turn off? Does it reboot? Does it go into some transition state back into iPadOS? Are files accessibly across the two operating systems, or is it like two separate worlds?

Seems like people who champion this make it seem like macOS will just be a skin or something. It’s a different operating system. I can’t imagine it’s as simple as “oh, put it on the keyboard and it’s macOS, take it off and it’s iPadOS!”
That's for a programmer to figure out. Files would have to be accessible. I'd assume there would be some transition state, but it wouldn't require a reboot and existing apps wouldn't have to close. It almost open like running a virtual machine. You would get a dedicated MacOS window.

That said, even if a dual boot "reboot" was required, I'd be onboard.
 
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hovscorpion12

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That's for a programmer to figure out. Files would have to be accessible. I'd assume there would be some transition state, but it would require a reboot and existing apps wouldn't have to close. It almost open like running a virtual machine. You would get a dedicated MacOS window.

Sorry, but no engineer is going to put the time nor the effort to do this. The reason why Dual boot on PC/Macs work so well is that they complement each other. From files to programs. Everything flows in sync. VMs on MacOS does require some storage and RAM sacrifice in order to work. Same with having Linux and Windows installed on same PC.

VM's require RAM & SSD assignment. If Apple dual booted MacOS Sonoma, it requires 2GB minimum. With an 8GB of RAM iPad model, sacrificing 2GB or higher both MacOS and the iPad will experience significant performance issues. Even if you have the 16GB of RAM model, your still sacrificing half of the iPads performance.
 

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I can guarantee this.

If Apple were to bring MacOS to iPad, the first thing people are going to do is open task manager and complain about RAM usage to the end of time. or how come they can't see SSD health.

**Apple doesn't use SSDs on iPads**

- How "8GB on iPad is not enough"
- Why is my iPad using X amount of RAM
- How do I clear SDRAM

All the same complaints Mac users have been saying since 1990s. Also, Apple would be forced to completely rewrite MacOS to divulge information on the iPad in the System Information app.

These are all the apps built in to MacOS. Your telling me with a straight face you actually want ALL of these.

The vast majority of these softwares won't work anyway since they require SPECIFIC HARDWARE.


or would you rather have a fully fleshed out iPadOS that is an extremely powerful hybrid of MacOS.

There's a reason Tim Cook is the CEO. Because he's cookin'

Let Apple Cook.
Are you suggesting the storage in iPads is not 'solid state'? 🧐
 

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Sorry, but no engineer is going to put the time nor the effort to do this. The reason why Dual boot on PC/Macs work so well is that they complement each other. From files to programs. Everything flows in sync. VMs on MacOS does require some storage and RAM sacrifice in order to work. Same with having Linux and Windows installed on same PC.

VM's require RAM & SSD assignment. If Apple dual booted MacOS Sonoma, it requires 2GB minimum. With an 8GB of RAM iPad model, sacrificing 2GB or higher both MacOS and the iPad will experience significant performance issues. Even if you have the 16GB of RAM model, your still sacrificing half of the iPads performance.
Sacrificing half the performance? Please talk the class through your logic behind this statement. 😬
 

hovscorpion12

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Are you suggesting the storage in iPads is not 'solid state'? 🧐
It is public knowledge that the iPhones and iPads do not use standard SSDs but NAND Flash storage which is embedded within the main System-On-Chip (SoC). iPads do not come with eMMC storage or UFS.

This is why iPhones and iPads do not suffer from "swap memory" as much as Macs do and nor can users see it. Also why iPhones and iPads do not have the same read/write as Macs do with the equivalent SSD.

a 1TB iPad does not have the same R/W as a 1TB Macbook Air
 
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hovscorpion12

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Sacrificing half the performance? Please talk the class through your logic behind this statement. 😬

I'm assuming you've never Dual-booted an OS or installed a VM. Sacrifices are required when installing a second OS or VM in order for that second OS/VM to function.

Risk 7: Decline in disk and PC performance​


The Windows OS is the primary OS in the dual boot Windows and Linux scenario, so it gets preferential treatment. Being the primary OS, Windows tends to have better disk and PC performance. It loads faster, and the apps run better. However, this takes a toll on the secondary OS (in this case, the Linux OS), resulting in slowing down of the whole PC. Unfortunately, there’s not much you can do to avoid this risk apart from minimizing its effects.

In this case, its iPadOS

 

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I'm assuming you've never Dual-booted an OS or installed a VM. Sacrifices are required when installing a second OS or VM in order for that second OS/VM to function.

Risk 7: Decline in disk and PC performance​


The Windows OS is the primary OS in the dual boot Windows and Linux scenario, so it gets preferential treatment. Being the primary OS, Windows tends to have better disk and PC performance. It loads faster, and the apps run better. However, this takes a toll on the secondary OS (in this case, the Linux OS), resulting in slowing down of the whole PC. Unfortunately, there’s not much you can do to avoid this risk apart from minimizing its effects.

In this case, its iPadOS

Your 50% claim is so wildly wrong it isn't even deserving of a technical explanation. Just take everyone's word for it if you don't want to think of a real figure.
 

ric22

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It is public knowledge that the iPhones and iPads do not use standard SSDs but NAND Flash storage which is embedded within the main System-On-Chip (SoC). iPads do not come with eMMC storage or UFS.

This is why iPhones and iPads do not suffer from "swap memory" as much as Macs do and nor can users see it. Also why iPhones and iPads do not have the same read/write as Macs do with the equivalent SSD.

a 1TB iPad does not have the same R/W as a 1TB Macbook Air
You evaded my question 👀 You posted a bunch of info I never contradicted or even commented on?
 
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hovscorpion12

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Please make the iPad OS a more like macOS experience next week 🙏🙏🙏🙏

It'll be more at WWDC in June, but I do believe iPadOS 18 will inch closer to being a MacOS hybrid.

The only advantage next week will be faster export times for creators.
 
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