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SteveJUAE

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I think as with many features that android phones had first, it’s not so just the feature itself that is problematic, but the implementation. I recall earlier Samsung phones having this faster refresh rate working only with a lower resolution, or resulting in significant battery drain. With iOS, the refresh rate can drop to as low as 10 hz for certain tasks, resulting in possible power savings even.

The TL; DR is that android users buy specs, while iPhone users buy the user experience. Different strokes for different people.

It goes all the way back to earlier snapdragon chips having worse performance than A-series processors despite android users loving to boast about how they sported more cores and more ram. My 5s got “only” 2 cores, but snappier app performance and iMovie export speeds for it.

I find that Android phones tend to focus more on numerical specs (like number of megapixels in a phone), probably because competition is so stiff. With Apple, the main consideration really is whether the next iPhone is good enough to prompt an existing iPhone user to upgrade or not (and even then, the target market is someone with a 2-4 year old iPhone, not the previous year’s model), so they can choose to focus on stuff like larger pixels (instead of more), which would normally be marketing suicide for competing products.

I don’t find it funny as a iPhone user. Apple is sucking the oxygen out of the smartphone market by slowly removing the reasons for choosing an android phone one by one, and I would personally worry more about the continued vitality and viability of the android smartphone market, than I would about what features android had first over the iPhone.
This is just normal rhetoric and how Iphone users console themselves for receiving neither latest specs or waiting years for the simplest of implementations

I think Apples model of entrapment and reliance on apathy to change is a bigger risk to the wealthier demographic Apple appeals to

Now with complete U turn on individual privacy so many issues and bugs and class actions or international government intervention on Apples polices etc even the once faithful are bored or finding it difficult to find any singular redeeming point other than my AW watch wont work with Android
 

Heat_Fan89

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I don’t find it funny as a iPhone user. Apple is sucking the oxygen out of the smartphone market by slowly removing the reasons for choosing an android phone one by one, and I would personally worry more about the continued vitality and viability of the android smartphone market, than I would about what features android had first over the iPhone.
That’s just wishful thinking from a pro Apple user. Google makes way too much money from Android to let it just disappear. Android has developed a strong following because Google constantly finds ways to improve the OS. And I am really looking forward to Android 12 and Material You.

You have several groups of Android users.
1) They dislike anything that’s Apple
2) They won’t overpay for tech
3) They find Google does certain things better than Apple.

Supposedly Apple uses better camera hardware than Google but Google phones take some of the best pictures because it’s controlled by Google software and Google AI.

I am in group three. I use Android because I prefer Google Apps that I think do ambetter job than what Apple offers such as GMaps, Gmail, Google Keep, Google Messenger, Google Phone with call screener and Google Assistant. So I am not about to buy an iPhone to turn it into a Pixel phone.

I concede that Apple makes fantastic hardware and they do a great job integrating their software to take advantage of their hardware but both platforms can coexist and thrive. You don’t want a scenario where it’s just one company calling the shots because when that happens you lose innovation. No one is pushing you to outthink your rival. When that happens a new company will appear to challenge you and knock you off your perch.
 

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I concede that Apple makes fantastic hardware and they do a great job integrating their software to take advantage of their hardware but both platforms can coexist and thrive. You don’t want a scenario where it’s just one company calling the shots because when that happens you lose innovation. No one is pushing you to outthink your rival. When that happens a new company will appear to challenge you and knock you off your perch.
I don't desire a monolithic smartphone market either, if only to keep the antitrust pressure off Apple. However, I am starting to see a trend emerge where android smartphone OEMs are finding it harder and harder to make money selling handphones, which in turn may limit their ability to innovate and support their products.

On the flip side, we have Apple who is willing to continue supporting their devices for 5-6 years at least because they recognise that (1) people are holding on to their devices longer and (2) they have ample ways of continuing to earn from iPhone users, such as via the sales of accessories and services. This also means that thanks to Apple having aggregated the best customers in the world thanks to the iPhone, you have a pool of consumers ready to spend on the next big thing that Apple will release, when it is released (like the long-rumoured pair of AR glasses), which again will have the advantage of being able to tap into the Apple ecosystem right from day one.

So we may see the current trend continue where Apple continues to dominate the market where profits are concerned (which in turn means that Apple has more incentive to invest in improving their products), leaving only scraps for the competition. We already see the trend with the Apple Watch and AirPods Max. Google may continue to keep Android around for near foreseeable future, but questions abound as to how much Google is willing to invest in adjacent markets like wearables.
 

mi7chy

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Google is the leader in smarts. Even with mid range hardware they still beat Apple flagship that's why many are anxious to see what Google can do with flagship hardware.


Here's another and many more. I asked Siri and she only offered an incorrect search result about Bangkok.

 
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Google is the leader in smarts. Even with mid range hardware they still beat Apple flagship that's why many are anxious to see what Google can do with flagship hardware.


Here's another and many more. I asked Siri and she only offered an incorrect search result about Bangkok.

Yeah, Siri is just plain awful only when you compare it to Google Assistant. The sad part is that it was Apple who introduced the voice assistant and they have pretty much neglected that feature. Instead they poured billions into their entertainment business.
 

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You don’t want a scenario where it’s just one company calling the shots because when that happens you lose innovation. No one is pushing you to outthink your rival. When that happens a new company will appear to challenge you and knock you off your perch.
No, it's not a good thing having just one company in charge of an important technology. For that matter, it can be argued that it's not a great thing having only a duopoly (for practical purposes) with iOS vs Android.
 
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I don't desire a monolithic smartphone market either, if only to keep the antitrust pressure off Apple. However, I am starting to see a trend emerge where android smartphone OEMs are finding it harder and harder to make money selling handphones, which in turn may limit their ability to innovate and support their products.
I'm not sure about hardware evolution. But (thinking longer term), it seems possible that some companies could do well just through the magic of volume. And they could possibly factor volume into their calculations--plan to create something that can be used as long as possible in as many products as possible. Sort of like car companies using designs across a range, from budget to expensive, for years and years.
 
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I am not sure if there are people who buy a phone based primarily on the strength of its digital assistant, but I suppose it might be a thing for some.
I suppose the digital assistant would be important for some--but it would be a less than zero concern for me.
 
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Google is the leader in smarts. Even with mid range hardware they still beat Apple flagship that's why many are anxious to see what Google can do with flagship hardware.


Here's another and many more. I asked Siri and she only offered an incorrect search result about Bangkok.


Let’s face it, whether you’ve got a Google Pixel or an iPhone, you’ve got a very capable device in your pocket. All this endless analysing specs and trying to determine one feature being slightly better on one phone than the other and vice versa just gives you the same answer in the end. You won’t go far wrong with either device.

I think the main differentiator is the actual software interface. That’s the part the user has the most interaction with and there’s no point playing the game or which is better because it’s a purely subjective topic. You’ve been here a long time and I’m sure like me, you came to this conclusion years ago! :)
 

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I don't desire a monolithic smartphone market either, if only to keep the antitrust pressure off Apple. However, I am starting to see a trend emerge where android smartphone OEMs are finding it harder and harder to make money selling handphones, which in turn may limit their ability to innovate and support their products.

On the flip side, we have Apple who is willing to continue supporting their devices for 5-6 years at least because they recognise that (1) people are holding on to their devices longer and (2) they have ample ways of continuing to earn from iPhone users, such as via the sales of accessories and services. This also means that thanks to Apple having aggregated the best customers in the world thanks to the iPhone, you have a pool of consumers ready to spend on the next big thing that Apple will release, when it is released (like the long-rumoured pair of AR glasses), which again will have the advantage of being able to tap into the Apple ecosystem right from day one.

So we may see the current trend continue where Apple continues to dominate the market where profits are concerned (which in turn means that Apple has more incentive to invest in improving their products), leaving only scraps for the competition. We already see the trend with the Apple Watch and AirPods Max. Google may continue to keep Android around for near foreseeable future, but questions abound as to how much Google is willing to invest in adjacent markets like wearables.
Not sure if serious!

Your last paragraph is interesting. You talk about Apple leaving scraps for the competition when the Android platform has never been as big as it is now. If Apple couldn't kill off Google Android 7-8 years ago when they dominated the entire landscape, they've got no chance now. Google has 2.5 billion active Android devices out in the field.

I'm sorry but you come across as rather bitter that Google is succeeding. In football terms, you are suggesting Apple as Manchester United are the beacon of the sport despite not winning anything for years against the backdrop of their far more successful business rivals, Manchester City. Apple peaked a long time ago, as did most tech firms, but to cling on to the façade that they essentially control the market is as ludicrous as it is amusing.
 

ian87w

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Is instagram still bad on android?
Blame it on the lack of support of Android's own proper camera APIs as every Android OEM is doing their own thing for their cameras. Blame it on Google as well for being slow in adopting new camera tech (eg. it took a while for Google to support things like dual camera, forcing OEMs to do their own implementation). Apple has the advantage being the same company making the OS and the hardware.
 
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ian87w

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Not sure if serious!

Your last paragraph is interesting. You talk about Apple leaving scraps for the competition when the Android platform has never been as big as it is now. If Apple couldn't kill off Google Android 7-8 years ago when they dominated the entire landscape, they've got no chance now. Google has 2.5 billion active Android devices out in the field.

I'm sorry but you come across as rather bitter that Google is succeeding. In football terms, you are suggesting Apple as Manchester United are the beacon of the sport despite not winning anything for years against the backdrop of their far more successful business rivals, Manchester City. Apple peaked a long time ago, as did most tech firms, but to cling on to the façade that they essentially control the market is as ludicrous as it is amusing.
Imo you're missing @Abazigal 's point.
As a company, you have to have a healthy margin to expand your business. Apple is at the advantage as despite their lack of marketshare, they are raking the most profit compared to other Android OEMs combined. This allow Apple to do expand on things other things without much effort, and also ship anything they make in volume.

You see many Chinese Android OEMs announcing many phones every other week. In reality, none of them are shipping in any large volume worldwide. Majority are China only, with select few markets outside China with limited availability. Even Samsung has to pick and choose which sku for which market. Nobody can launch a product in every major markets at once like Apple. Look at how many countries Google sell the Pixel phones in. Very few. Despite the large majority as a platform, no single Android OEM is as profitable as Apple. There's a reason why many Android OEMs fell on the wayside (HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola), replaced by the Chinese where they can get support from their government.

I agree with @Abazigal 's point, that Apple will continue to dominate the market in terms of profit. And it looks like they are getting more and more vertically integrated. Samsung is literally the only company putting up a fight. The Chinese are just doing their own thing, copying whatever Apple/Samsung is doing, without any clear vision.
 

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I'm not sure about hardware evolution. But (thinking longer term), it seems possible that some companies could do well just through the magic of volume. And they could possibly factor volume into their calculations--plan to create something that can be used as long as possible in as many products as possible. Sort of like car companies using designs across a range, from budget to expensive, for years and years.
That is exactly what Apple is doing. And yes, that saves money on production. Instead of releasing a completely new designs top to bottom every time, Apple only releases new flagships every year, and move the previous flagships as their mid-range products.
 
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Heat_Fan89

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Imo you're missing @Abazigal 's point.
As a company, you have to have a healthy margin to expand your business. Apple is at the advantage as despite their lack of marketshare, they are raking the most profit compared to other Android OEMs combined. This allow Apple to do expand on things other things without much effort, and also ship anything they make in volume.

You see many Chinese Android OEMs announcing many phones every other week. In reality, none of them are shipping in any large volume worldwide. Majority are China only, with select few markets outside China with limited availability. Even Samsung has to pick and choose which sku for which market. Nobody can launch a product in every major markets at once like Apple. Look at how many countries Google sell the Pixel phones in. Very few. Despite the large majority as a platform, no single Android OEM is as profitable as Apple. There's a reason why many Android OEMs fell on the wayside (HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola), replaced by the Chinese where they can get support from their government.

I agree with @Abazigal 's point, that Apple will continue to dominate the market in terms of profit. And it looks like they are getting more and more vertically integrated. Samsung is literally the only company putting up a fight. The Chinese are just doing their own thing, copying whatever Apple/Samsung is doing, without any clear vision.
The problem with that thinking is that the Western market has become saturated. The upgrades we are now seeing from Apple and Google for that matter are somewhat incremental in most cases. Small changes here and small changes there to the hardware and are then marketed as must have Phones.

Apple is now trying to expand into Asia where most of its citizens are rather poor. So they tend to buy budget phones that offer a lot of value. Samsung, Huawei, Honor and other companies capitalized on that market. Sure people will buy an iPhone in places like India but they are not going to be the type of customers Apple desires. They won’t buy an iPhone every few years or buy lots of apps.

That’s where Android fits in. Both platforms serve a need in the high tech world. Those that say well Android smartphone makers are not making enough money from their phones, well we don’t know that. We are not privy to their financials. Most budget smartphones are not using the latest ground breaking tech. Motorola is one such company who continues to expand their Android phone lineup.

The market would be a lot different however if Apple were to license iOS to other smartphone makers which is something they have shown to have no interest in doing. Someone suggested well we need more than a Duopoly. I agree but Microsoft at one time made an OS fro smartphones and they gave up. Ubuntu was supposed to release a Linux based smartphone OS and we are still waiting. So others have tried but Apple and Google present too much of a challenge for new entries.
 
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This is just normal rhetoric and how Iphone users console themselves for receiving neither latest specs or waiting years for the simplest of implementations

I think Apples model of entrapment and reliance on apathy to change is a bigger risk to the wealthier demographic Apple appeals to

Now with complete U turn on individual privacy so many issues and bugs and class actions or international government intervention on Apples polices etc even the once faithful are bored or finding it difficult to find any singular redeeming point other than my AW watch wont work with Android
My first experience iOS experience was using iPod Touch 3 (I didn't know anything in depth of iOS either, so figured I'd just "dive in). My first Android (Samsung Galaxy s2) was also just to see how the experience would be (I figured an iPhone would just be an Ipod Touch but with vibration, cellular capabilities, and superior specs). Both ended up being very nice to check out that I ended up using both for many years to come.

I can't speak for other Android users, but for me, I continued to replace my phone with new Android ones because of the experience. Ironically enough, Apple seems to be more spec focused because their announcements always mention the processor (A5, A10, A13, etc.), how it compares to their previous processors ("twice as fast as our last generation"), and other additions (M-series co motion processors, "Bionic")
 

SteveJUAE

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I don't desire a monolithic smartphone market either, if only to keep the antitrust pressure off Apple. However, I am starting to see a trend emerge where android smartphone OEMs are finding it harder and harder to make money selling handphones, which in turn may limit their ability to innovate and support their products.

On the flip side, we have Apple who is willing to continue supporting their devices for 5-6 years at least because they recognise that (1) people are holding on to their devices longer and (2) they have ample ways of continuing to earn from iPhone users, such as via the sales of accessories and services. This also means that thanks to Apple having aggregated the best customers in the world thanks to the iPhone, you have a pool of consumers ready to spend on the next big thing that Apple will release, when it is released (like the long-rumoured pair of AR glasses), which again will have the advantage of being able to tap into the Apple ecosystem right from day one.

So we may see the current trend continue where Apple continues to dominate the market where profits are concerned (which in turn means that Apple has more incentive to invest in improving their products), leaving only scraps for the competition. We already see the trend with the Apple Watch and AirPods Max. Google may continue to keep Android around for near foreseeable future, but questions abound as to how much Google is willing to invest in adjacent markets like wearables.
Are you just stating this to encourage a debate or really believe this hot air ? :rolleyes:

Seriously lack of support 4 years now vs 6 years and Apple likely only did 6 as a differentiator and to encourage users who do not upgrade regularly that no sales is better than a sale to a competitor

Yes Apple do gouge their faithful with long term charges and accessories etc, unfortunately many rarely sit down a calculate the true cost of ownership of the Apple ECO, something the most cost wise and lower income nations are only too aware of compared to the higher consumer orientated west

Apple exploit to the full their wealthier customers who either do not care or notice or are apathetic to change however this wealthy demographic is not immune to innovation and real change which comes more from the other OEM's.

We see continuously how Apple struggle to keep pace with others and the old adage from Apple enthusiast is "Apple will adopt it when they perfect it" how many years are we going to listen to this as an excuse of Apple not being able to keep up and innovate even the smallest of things

Apple can just about throw out a real increment every 2 years at best and the S upgrade year is just another round on minor increments for the wealthy annual upgrade crowd

Apple wealth is used in diversification and transitioning from an assembler to a real OEM as they know their vulnerabilities only too well

There was a time when it was almost impossible to find a discounted price on Apple products other than refurbished now MR is littered almost daily with promotions from many retailers even on the current products

Seems to me the slippery slope has started already there is nothing left to throw out of the box now bar a sticker LOL and now they have even throw privacy out so what happens on your Iphone is going
 
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Abazigal

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Are you just stating this to encourage a debate or really believe this hot air ? :rolleyes:
I feel that more people really ought to be explaining Apple's success, not explain it away.

It's very tempting to do what many other critics and analysts do where they just treat Apple like any other company, and if all you are doing is simply comparing Apple to everyone else and then go "hey, Apple isn't doing what everyone else is doing, so I don't think whatever Apple is doing is going to work", then I frankly think you are all headed down the wrong path, and it shows in how Apple continues to defy conventional wisdom and go on to become even more successful year after year despite the naysayers.

I have long learned to do the opposite, by instead approaching these topics from Apple’s perspective. I like to begin with Apple, and then I look outwards at different industries, compared to the rest who tend to first cover an industry, then attempt to draw a link to Apple from time to time. I feel this tends to lead to error and inaccurate analysis, because you are comparing Apple too much to other companies, and you are not allowing Apple’s unique attributes to speak for themselves or recognise how Apple is able to set themselves apart from the competition.

So to summarise, the best way of analysing what Apple does is to begin with Apple. Focus with Apple, then move outwards, and it will all make sense.
Seriously lack of support 4 years now vs 6 years and Apple likely only did 6 as a differentiator and to encourage users who do not upgrade regularly that no sales is better than a sale to a competitor
That's the sheer genius here. Apple doesn't need us to keep buying new iPhones year after year; they simply need us to keep using iPhones, as Apple has plenty of ways to continue earning from us, from accessories to services to apps.

And besides, my 8+ is still receiving iOS 15 (and gets most of the new features), and continues to work with other products like the Apple Watch and airtags. Is hanging on to the same phone for 4-5 years somehow supposed to be worse than constantly upgrading and creating more landfill?

Apple exploit to the full their wealthier customers who either do not care or notice or are apathetic to change however this wealthy demographic is not immune to innovation and real change which comes more from the other OEM's.
Rather than say that iOS customers are apathetic to change (which really sounds more like sour grapes to me), it's probably more accurate to say that they simply find the changes introduced by Apple more meaningful compared to what is being offered by the competition. Apple looks at innovation as something that improves customers’ lives. Instead of announcing A LOT of new features and upgrades to either be first or different, Apple is more focused on announcing select features and upgrades that it thinks will lead to better experiences.

This year, the iPhone gets a better camera and battery life, the apple has a larger screen while retaining the same size, and Fitness+ increases the likelihood of people sticking with the service (and with Apple hardware). I don't think it's an unfair statement to say that the Apple Watch and iPad face very little in the way of legitimate competition. Perhaps instead of trying to deflect by labelling people who are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for Apple Watch bands as sheep, it may instead be more meaningful to reflect on why Android OEMs don't seem to be having any luck making similar inroads on their end.

Apple can just about throw out a real increment every 2 years at best and the S upgrade year is just another round on minor increments for the wealthy annual upgrade crowd
I think statements like this really show how much people really don't understand Apple, when you all continue to compare this year's iPhone to the previous year.

A flagship iPhone is meant to give the average owner years of premium experiences with little to no need to upgrade to a new model on an annual basis (hence the commitment to years of software updates). The iPhone 13 was never intended to cause the entire iPhone installed base (much less existing iPhone 12 owners) to run out and upgrade, and fixating on this only creates a blind spot. Apple's business model does not rely on year-over-year upgrades and changes that are so shocking and momentous that a billion iPhone users all run out and upgrade simultaneously. It's a fool's errand, and Apple wouldn't be able to handle that sort of demand either (even as we speak, the iPhone is already facing supply constraints).

Instead, knowing that the average iPhone user is expected to hold on to their phone for 2-3 years at least, the iPhone 13 is instead meant to appeal to people still holding on to iPhones from 2018 or earlier. Which to me makes perfect sense when we go back to my earlier statement about how Apple has moved on from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones.

In summary, the iPhone business is all about continuous refinement and advancement with new features aimed at improving the overall user experience in a manner that I (amongst a billion other users) find meaningful. I am happy being all-in in this regard. Sure, I spend more upfront, but my experience has been that this quickly pays for itself in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

I see myself continuing to stay a happy Apple user for a good many years to come. :D
 

Tig Bitties

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Currently have the iPhone 12 Pro Max, and can't wait to ditch this crappy iOS for the Pixel 6 Pro, and get back to stock Android.

It boggles my mind how popular the iPhone still is, it's not a good operating system, at all.

This iPhone itself truly is an excellent piece of hardware, with fantastic build quality, a beautiful screen, great battery life. Smooth fluid UI. But it's all ruined by iOS. Ugh.

But that's just my opinion.
 

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I don't think it's an unfair statement to say that the Apple Watch and iPad face very little in the way of legitimate competition. Perhaps instead of trying to deflect by labelling people who are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for Apple Watch bands as sheep, it may instead be more meaningful to reflect on why Android OEMs don't seem to be having any luck making similar inroads on their end.
I don’t think this is strictly true. The Apple Watch holds a 52.5% share of the smartwatch market. While this is impressive for a single vendor, it’s almost a given that iPhone owners are predominantly going to choose an Apple Watch.

That means almost half the market has chosen something else - be it from Samsung, Garmin, Fitbit, Huawei, Xiaomi, TicWatch or any of the dozens of other vendors. With that much choice, no single vendor can dominate.

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The same is true of the iPad. While Apple’s sole 32% share is excellent, 68% of tablet users are buying something else - whether that’s Android, FireOS or Windows. Again, there are too many vendors across those OS sectors for clear dominance.
 
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I don’t think this is strictly true. The Apple Watch holds a 52.5% share of the smartwatch market. While this is impressive for a single vendor, it’s almost a given that iPhone owners are predominantly going to choose an Apple Watch.

That means almost half the market has chosen something else - be it from Samsung, Garmin, Fitbit, Huawei, Xiaomi, TicWatch or any of the dozens of other vendors. With that much choice, no single vendor can dominate.

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The same is true of the iPad. While Apple’s sole 32% share is excellent, 68% of tablet users are buying something else - whether that’s Android, FireOS or Windows. Again, there are too many vendors across those OS sectors for clear dominance.
Excellent points. Our fellow poster is often stating that Apple owns the watch and tablet markets even though some of us repeatedly prove that that is far from being true. Oh well, people believe what they want to believe.
 

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I feel that more people really ought to be explaining Apple's success, not explain it away.

It's very tempting to do what many other critics and analysts do where they just treat Apple like any other company, and if all you are doing is simply comparing Apple to everyone else and then go "hey, Apple isn't doing what everyone else is doing, so I don't think whatever Apple is doing is going to work", then I frankly think you are all headed down the wrong path, and it shows in how Apple continues to defy conventional wisdom and go on to become even more successful year after year despite the naysayers.

I have long learned to do the opposite, by instead approaching these topics from Apple’s perspective. I like to begin with Apple, and then I look outwards at different industries, compared to the rest who tend to first cover an industry, then attempt to draw a link to Apple from time to time. I feel this tends to lead to error and inaccurate analysis, because you are comparing Apple too much to other companies, and you are not allowing Apple’s unique attributes to speak for themselves or recognise how Apple is able to set themselves apart from the competition.

So to summarise, the best way of analysing what Apple does is to begin with Apple. Focus with Apple, then move outwards, and it will all make sense.

That's the sheer genius here. Apple doesn't need us to keep buying new iPhones year after year; they simply need us to keep using iPhones, as Apple has plenty of ways to continue earning from us, from accessories to services to apps.

And besides, my 8+ is still receiving iOS 15 (and gets most of the new features), and continues to work with other products like the Apple Watch and airtags. Is hanging on to the same phone for 4-5 years somehow supposed to be worse than constantly upgrading and creating more landfill?


Rather than say that iOS customers are apathetic to change (which really sounds more like sour grapes to me), it's probably more accurate to say that they simply find the changes introduced by Apple more meaningful compared to what is being offered by the competition. Apple looks at innovation as something that improves customers’ lives. Instead of announcing A LOT of new features and upgrades to either be first or different, Apple is more focused on announcing select features and upgrades that it thinks will lead to better experiences.

This year, the iPhone gets a better camera and battery life, the apple has a larger screen while retaining the same size, and Fitness+ increases the likelihood of people sticking with the service (and with Apple hardware). I don't think it's an unfair statement to say that the Apple Watch and iPad face very little in the way of legitimate competition. Perhaps instead of trying to deflect by labelling people who are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for Apple Watch bands as sheep, it may instead be more meaningful to reflect on why Android OEMs don't seem to be having any luck making similar inroads on their end.


I think statements like this really show how much people really don't understand Apple, when you all continue to compare this year's iPhone to the previous year.

A flagship iPhone is meant to give the average owner years of premium experiences with little to no need to upgrade to a new model on an annual basis (hence the commitment to years of software updates). The iPhone 13 was never intended to cause the entire iPhone installed base (much less existing iPhone 12 owners) to run out and upgrade, and fixating on this only creates a blind spot. Apple's business model does not rely on year-over-year upgrades and changes that are so shocking and momentous that a billion iPhone users all run out and upgrade simultaneously. It's a fool's errand, and Apple wouldn't be able to handle that sort of demand either (even as we speak, the iPhone is already facing supply constraints).

Instead, knowing that the average iPhone user is expected to hold on to their phone for 2-3 years at least, the iPhone 13 is instead meant to appeal to people still holding on to iPhones from 2018 or earlier. Which to me makes perfect sense when we go back to my earlier statement about how Apple has moved on from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones.

In summary, the iPhone business is all about continuous refinement and advancement with new features aimed at improving the overall user experience in a manner that I (amongst a billion other users) find meaningful. I am happy being all-in in this regard. Sure, I spend more upfront, but my experience has been that this quickly pays for itself in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

I see myself continuing to stay a happy Apple user for a good many years to come. :D
You really should interview for a marketing position with Apple. Everything you said has NO bearing on the Android market. The iOS and Android markets are so mature that outsiders wanting a piece of the Duopoly don't stand a chance. Even Microsoft conceded they had no chance. All you are doing is preaching to those that buy iPhones.

I have considered an iPhone but all of my go to Apps are made by Google. I also don't want to spend anywhere near $600 for a phone....any phone.
 
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