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Shirasaki

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Your’re not making a good case here. It simply isn’t a problem. Check Mini sales numbers and get back to us.
What does sales number mean? Oh, I see. High sales number gives Apple valuable feedback on how they could cheap out on components etc further to reduce the cost while raising the price.

Also, if that is not a problem, why only NOW after iPad mini 6 the jelly blows up? Certainly it is noticeable enough that untrained eyes can notice it and think something is going wrong.
 

wilberforce

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Is it so hard to admit Apple cheaps out panels on iPad mini 6 compared to other devices
Apple did not "cheap out," instead they made a design mistake. The LCD controller costs them the same whether it refreshes vertically or horizontally. They chose to have it refresh vertically instead of horizontally, perhaps because it fit better (with the narrow bezels that everyone insists on). It was a bad design choice, not cheaping out.
 
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sunking101

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Apple did not "cheap out," instead they made a design mistake. The LCD controller costs them the same whether it refreshes vertically or horizontally. They chose to have it refresh vertically instead of horizontally, perhaps because it fit better. It was a bad design choice, not cheaping out.
Meh. I don’t possess ANY other devices that exhibit noticeable jelly scrolling in either orientation.
 

Hoo Doo Dude

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What does sales number mean? Oh, I see. High sales number gives Apple valuable feedback on how they could cheap out on components etc further to reduce the cost while raising the price.

Also, if that is not a problem, why only NOW after iPad mini 6 the jelly blows up? Certainly it is noticeable enough that untrained eyes can notice it and think something is going wrong.
You are incomprehensible here. There is no logic to this post.
 

wilberforce

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This video explains exactly why it jelly scrolls so obviously, and compares the orientation of the LCD controller with that in other iPads


It is not a conspiracy to cheap out, although that may be enjoyable to rant about
 

sunking101

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This video explains exactly why it jelly scrolls so obviously, and compares the orientation of the LCD controller with that in other iPads


It is not a conspiracy to cheap out, although that may be enjoyable to rant about
Seen all that before and I understand the argument. I also accept that under laboratory conditions all LCD displays exhibit some degree of jelly scrolling.

The thing is that nobody had ever noticed it before the iPad Mini 6 came long! Even now when actually looking for it I cannot see it on ANY other device I own whether viewed in portrait or landscape. Just the iPad Mini!
 

wilberforce

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Seen all that before and I understand the argument. I also accept that under laboratory conditions all LCD displays exhibit some degree of jelly scrolling.

The thing is that nobody had ever noticed it before the iPad Mini 6 came long! Even now when actually looking for it I cannot see it on ANY other device I own whether viewed in portrait or landscape. Just the iPad Mini!
Yes, it is more noticeable on the iPad Mini 6. I don't think anyone disputes that. It just so happens to be more than your threshold of noticeability.
 

Shirasaki

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Apple did not "cheap out," instead they made a design mistake. The LCD controller costs them the same whether it refreshes vertically or horizontally. They chose to have it refresh vertically instead of horizontally, perhaps because it fit better (with the narrow bezels that everyone insists on). It was a bad design choice, not cheaping out.
Oh alright, although slower screen (comparatively) can also contribute to the increased jelly effect.
 
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PinkyMacGodess

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Our eyes lie to us A LOT on a daily basis. Some we may not even know.

Technically it's the BRAIN that lies, but yeah. For what I use it for, I DO NOT SEE JELLY SCROLLING! Full stop. I don't see it. I should say that I had a horrible reaction to the 'Parallax' feature that on a plane ride almost caused me to puke. I was almost instantly sick with vertigo. I had to put it down, I couldn't do it. After landing I figured out how to turn that feature off, which wasn't 100% off, but it made it usable. So I would think that if there was a thing as 'jelly scrolling' that affected how I use the Mini, I WOULD SEE IT.

I don't see it.
 
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Shirasaki

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Technically it's the BRAIN that lies, but yeah. For what I use it for, I DO NOT SEE JELLY SCROLLING! Full stop. I don't see it. I should say that I had a horrible reaction to the 'Parallax' feature that on a plane ride almost caused me to puke. I was almost instantly sick with vertigo. I had to put it down, I couldn't do it. After landing I figured out how to turn that feature off, which wasn't 100% off, but it made it usable. So I would think that if there was a thing as 'jelly scrolling' that affected how I use the Mini, I WOULD SEE IT.

I don't see it.
Great, good on you to not see the jelly effect.
 
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darngooddesign

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Meh. I don’t possess ANY other devices that exhibit noticeable jelly scrolling in either orientation.
My 9.7" iPad Pro does in both landscape and portrait if I look for it, it's more obvious in landscape, but I can easily ignore the issue. Heck, even my iPhone XR does it in landscape.
 
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Tagbert

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The fact that other people on this forum are okay with jelly scrolling is not okay. Apple will continue to make cheaper quality products which is bad for the consumer.
It is clear that many people do not see jelly scrolling. It may be that your eyes are just more sensitive to the specific movement and refresh rate than others. I have gone to the Apple store and tried to see it on their iPad Minis and there just isn't anything to see. it just looks like an LCD screen scrolling. Not as smooth as a 120Hz iPad Pro but not really different than other LCS screens. It is not that we are "ok with jelly scrolling" but just that we don't see it.
 
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sunking101

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It is clear that many people do not see jelly scrolling. It may be that your eyes are just more sensitive to the specific movement and refresh rate than others. I have gone to the Apple store and tried to see it on their iPad Minis and there just isn't anything to see. it just looks like an LCD screen scrolling. Not as smooth as a 120Hz iPad Pro but not really different than other LCS screens. It is not that we are "ok with jelly scrolling" but just that we don't see it.
Define "not as smooth as 120Hz"? Way too many people are putting this jelly scrolling down to it being a 60hz display panel when we've had those for years without jelly scrolling. You don't need a 120hz panel to be able to scroll slowly down a screen without it looking a hot mess.🙄
 
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Flash1420

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It is clear that many people do not see jelly scrolling. It may be that your eyes are just more sensitive to the specific movement and refresh rate than others. I have gone to the Apple store and tried to see it on their iPad Minis and there just isn't anything to see. it just looks like an LCD screen scrolling. Not as smooth as a 120Hz iPad Pro but not really different than other LCS screens. It is not that we are "ok with jelly scrolling" but just that we don't see it.
Well people weren't complaining with previous iPads that had 60Hz displays. Maybe your eyes are not that sensitive to motion.
 

Moonlight

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I've said before that the loose buttons on my iPad are a bigger deal breaker than jelly scroll. However, both are ludicrous issues for a supposedly premium brand tablet to suffer from. I'm not sure why you guys can't see jelly scroll. It's terrible.
What exactly is a loose button? Like the volume button fell out?
 

sunking101

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What exactly is a loose button? Like the volume button fell out?
Where there is some play, some movement in the button if you touch it lightly before pressing it.
I can gently shake my iPad and the volume buttons rattle. I can move my TouchID button left to right. All my buttons feel cheap.
 

Moonlight

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Where there is some play, some movement in the button if you touch it lightly before pressing it.
I can gently shake my iPad and the volume buttons rattle. I can move my TouchID button left to right. All my buttons feel cheap.
Is this a wide spread issue. My Mini does not do this at all.
 
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PinkyMacGodess

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Define "not as smooth as 120Hz"? Way too many people are putting this jelly scrolling down to it being a 60hz display panel when we've had those for years without jelly scrolling. You don't need a 120hz panel to be able to scroll slowly down a screen without it looking a hot mess.🙄

Yeah you do! A whole bunch of armchair experts have spent months flapping their gums on the problem and that is their solution. You can't deny them their solution because they will just keep complaining about it.

I really tried to find it, and... But the biggest problem now is the damn battery capacity. I have to charge it at least weekly, if not more often, because it powers up at ~5% and stuff just goes sideways after that. *sigh*
 
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