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Very good points. These days the improvement from one release to the next is smaller and smaller.
With the exception of 4K and a small speed bump, there isn't much need to upgrade.
Of course when we do, we want to make sure we don't update just before a new release.
Mostly because we are looking to keep that machine for the longest time possible.
Especially since Apple are generally making it harder for you to upgrade your own machine.

This is why I went with the build my own machine. It takes away the Apple upgrade angst. If I feel a need in a few years I can just upgrade the motherboard if there is a socket change and processor.

I just wish apple would licence macOS so I would not have to hack it.
 
This is why I went with the build my own machine. It takes away the Apple upgrade angst. If I feel a need in a few years I can just upgrade the motherboard if there is a socket change and processor.

I just wish apple would licence macOS so I would not have to hack it.
Can't ever seeing that happen. Why would they? They are still making money from the old mini. If they license it they would kill all those sales for sure.
 
Can't ever seeing that happen. Why would they? They are still making money from the old mini. If they license it they would kill all those sales for sure.

I really don't think it would. People will buy Apple just because of reliability and support. If I didn't have a background in building I would buy Apple just for the benefit of plugging their machines into power and it's up and running.

Apple has one of the best support systems in the industry which is why people love them.
 
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I really don't think it would. People will buy Apple just because of reliability and support. If I didn't have a background in building I would buy Apple just for the benefit of plugging their machines into power and it's up and running.

Apple has one of the best support systems in the industry which is why people love them.
But that support is based on them knowing your hardware and software. As soon as you introduce different hardware in the mix, you lose that great support.
I can recall Dell support telling me my issue was software based, and Microsoft telling me it was hardware based many years ago.
With Apple you get both supported the way things are.
 
But that support is based on them knowing your hardware and software. As soon as you introduce different hardware in the mix, you lose that great support.
I can recall Dell support telling me my issue was software based, and Microsoft telling me it was hardware based many years ago.
With Apple you get both supported the way things are.
Exactly why people buy Apple. What I'm saying is that they could licence it to individuals to use at their own risk with no support.
Very few people other than hobbyist would buy it but a few of us would.
 
Exactly why people buy Apple. What I'm saying is that they could licence it to individuals to use at their own risk with no support.
Very few people other than hobbyist would buy it but a few of us would.
I think the small amount of money they make would be not enough. You say they could offer it with no support, but that's just not the apple way.
And yes my Dell experience (plus like many my positive iOS experience) was a contributing factor to me buying a Mac.
 
I think the small amount of money they make would be not enough. You say they could offer it with no support, but that's just not the apple way.
And yes my Dell experience (plus like many my positive iOS experience) was a contributing factor to me buying a Mac.
I think most Hackintoshers would buy it. Although it makes up a small segment, there is money for Apple to make. Why not take advantage of those people. It would just be another subscription business for them.
 
I think most Hackintoshers would buy it. Although it makes up a small segment, there is money for Apple to make. Why not take advantage of those people. It would just be another subscription business for them.
Because all the negative press regarding no support would negate the small profit they would make.
From a marketing point of view it would make no sence.
When the uneducated read about lack os Apple support are they going to know it's different if you buy an actual Mac?
Probably not.
 
Because all the negative press regarding no support would negate the small profit they would make.
From a marketing point of view it would make no sence.
When the uneducated read about lack os Apple support are they going to know it's different if you buy an actual Mac?
Probably not.
Yeah......I guess the idiots won't understand.:rolleyes:
 
To be perfectly honest I think due to over supply and the fact that there's not that much going on in the tech world currently, consumers are moving on from the tech craze. It's now being seen as just another product. I'm getting that way myself.

I now find I walk past an Apple store or tech store without stopping to look round, basically because I know there's nothing new to look at and because I'm bored with the whole scene. My current iMac is 5 years old (although extensively upgraded) and I've no current plans to upgrade it. I have an iPhone 4s plus a 2 year old Android phone - again no plans for upgrade. Tablet 2 years old - no upgrade plans, plus ATV2 no upgrade plans and finally Window 7 Laptop running W10 again no plans to change.

Not that long ago I would have been chomping at the bit to change these products every few years but now my attitude is hey! they're still running well why bother.

I think many many people now feel the same.
That's called getting old :)
 
The moment NVidia releases drivers for Pascal GPUs, Hackintosh computers will blow anything Apple makes. Apple used to focus on performance, now it only cares about looks.
 
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I always thought it would be great if Apple offered a motherboard. Maybe itx or matx size. They could of used it for the new Mac Pro and kept the customization options and case if people wanted a true Mac Pro. If you wanted to build it yourself you get the motherboard at a premium and it would have a limited warranty with no Apple care offered.
[doublepost=1469306954][/doublepost]At the moment I'm still waiting for a new Mac mini. I'm really hoping thunderbolt 3 will be added, if not I might pick up the new MacBook Pro. I see thunderbolt 3 becoming problematic for Apple as the GPU upgrade options they offer wouldn't be as attractive if you could just hookup an external GPU with thunderbolt 3. Although I don't see them directly supporting it, hacks would most likely get it working.
 
Any mention of the Mini on the con-call last night? I assume not.
Of course not. If we will see a new Mac mini, than that will be in the Autumn time (September, but most likely October). But, if not ... well, than ... :)
 
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We all know Apple is waiting for the CPUs to hit the right price so they can make their insanely large cut of profits.

Let hope we see a better Apple willing to cut margins and deliver competitive products soon.
 
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oh god, I would like to buy new mac mini with quad core, iris pro/external gpu based on pascal, wih upgradable ram and HDD... but this is never ever gonna happen... will hackintosh probably:(
 
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