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DanCorleone

macrumors member
Apr 21, 2013
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Apparently Apple is working on a redesign of the Mac Mini. This situation where they can't swap Intel chips with the HD4600 and HD5000 graphics for the current processors with the HD4000 seems to me to be a case in point of Apple's problem. Apple should just keep the machine current while they perfect their redesign. It is apparent from prior posts on this forum that people like MrGuder are suffering. My wife is using my late 2006 white iMac 20" while we wait. Her late 2006 24" unfortunately died (power supply).
 

shaunp

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Nov 5, 2010
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I'm not trying to start an argument but backups are useless for me these days. I keep my data separate from my OS. If my OS drive fails I'd replace it and install a fresh OS, more time consuming yes but how often does it happen? As for my data if any redundancy fails I'll just swap the drive out. No harm No foul. I don't understand what everyone's obsession is with Time Machine and backups in general. Less downtime...sure but sometimes I almost prefer to start fresh.

Obviously if it's for work or business that is a totally different story.

What happens if you delete a file, or if your data volume is damaged? I can understand the argument for just reinstalling the OS, but not backing up your data will bite you one day.
 

mvmanolov

macrumors 6502a
Aug 27, 2013
858
5
Tuesday is tomorrow!
and
Tomorrow is Tuesday...!

or,

Tuesday is dead!

Long live Tuesday!

or,

In the name of Tuesday, i release you!


:D
 

mvmanolov

macrumors 6502a
Aug 27, 2013
858
5
It's Tuesday already where i am.

Next Tuesday is almost certainly coming, but you never can be 100% sure!

Bah, your Tuesday's don't count... didn't you know that! US Tuesday is the only "real" tuesday...

apologies to all nice, friendly, and wonderful US people... up here in Canada US-bashing is a bit of a national-sport and i just couldn't help myself :D (luv)
 

MrGuder

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Nov 30, 2012
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I noticed that people on ebay are buying mac mins and then upgrading the ram and adding larger SSD's and then selling them as new saying they only opened the box to add the ram and upgrade the SSD. Some of these ebay users have their own ebay store and they sell all apple products and do these upgrades and then sell them to the public.

For instance this person is selling this
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3ghz i7 / 16GB / 960GB SSD
UPGRADED 16GB DDR3 memory
For multitasking power.
UPGRADED Crucial M500 960GB SSD
Offers spacious storage and fast read/write times.

Price is $1799.00

Do you think this is a safe sale? Could they load the mac mini with malware that could send keystrokes back to the seller etc? I didn't know so many ebay sellers upgraded minis and then resold them. I may opt for this as this is a good price for a large SSD and 16 ram compared to apples site.

Here is another ebay
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3GHz i7 Quad Core 16GB 512GB SSD Drive
Windows 7
Price $1638.00
 
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Truthfulie

macrumors regular
Dec 18, 2013
248
0
Too many thermal problems with Hasswel. Apple might wait for Broadwell to avoid it.
The heat issue is mostly for desktop SKUs and it was only problematic if one was attempting an overclock. Sure it runs hotter than Ivy Bridge but it wasn't causing any major issues running at certified clock speed. Some over clockers have removed IHS and applied better thermal paste in order to somewhat remedy this.
 

philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
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I noticed that people on ebay are buying mac mins and then upgrading the ram and adding larger SSD's and then selling them as new saying they only opened the box to add the ram and upgrade the SSD. Some of these ebay users have their own ebay store and they sell all apple products and do these upgrades and then sell them to the public.

For instance this person is selling this
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3ghz i7 / 16GB / 960GB SSD
UPGRADED 16GB DDR3 memory
For multitasking power.
UPGRADED Crucial M500 960GB SSD
Offers spacious storage and fast read/write times.

Price is $1799.00

Do you think this is a safe sale? Could they load the mac mini with malware that could send keystrokes back to the seller etc? I didn't know so many ebay sellers upgraded minis and then resold them. I may opt for this as this is a good price for a large SSD and 16 ram compared to apples site.

Here is another ebay
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3GHz i7 Quad Core 16GB 512GB SSD Drive
Windows 7
Price $1638.00



I used to do the business of upgrades for years.

I can build that machine for about 790 + 470 + 150 or 1410

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so 1800 is a decent markup.

My guess is if the seller has been around a while it is okay deal. not a great one.
 

DanCorleone

macrumors member
Apr 21, 2013
90
15
Do you think this is a safe sale? Could they load the mac mini with malware that could send keystrokes back to the seller etc? I didn't know so many ebay sellers upgraded minis and then resold them. I may opt for this as this is a good price for a large SSD and 16 ram compared to apples site.

Here is another ebay
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3GHz i7 Quad Core 16GB 512GB SSD Drive
Windows 7
Price $1638.00

Can't you just reformat the SSD and then load the OS onto it from a thumbdrive or something? That would delete any malware they might have installed. Just speculating, as I have not done this.
 

MrGuder

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Nov 30, 2012
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Yes the ebay sellers been on ebay since 1999 and has 100% good feedback. It seems like this is all they do upgrade ram and hardrives for better specs and some they also load windows 7 and parallels 9 too on some for a little extra.

I just wondered if it's safe. What about apple care, can that be purchased from apple? when you buy like this? or maybe I don't need apple care?

Here is another
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.5GHz i5 16GB 512GB SSD MD387LL/A Windows 7 and Parallels 9 For $1429.00
 

aajeevlin

macrumors 65816
Mar 25, 2010
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I noticed that people on ebay are buying mac mins and then upgrading the ram and adding larger SSD's and then selling them as new saying they only opened the box to add the ram and upgrade the SSD. Some of these ebay users have their own ebay store and they sell all apple products and do these upgrades and then sell them to the public.

For instance this person is selling this
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3ghz i7 / 16GB / 960GB SSD
UPGRADED 16GB DDR3 memory
For multitasking power.
UPGRADED Crucial M500 960GB SSD
Offers spacious storage and fast read/write times.

Price is $1799.00

Do you think this is a safe sale? Could they load the mac mini with malware that could send keystrokes back to the seller etc? I didn't know so many ebay sellers upgraded minis and then resold them. I may opt for this as this is a good price for a large SSD and 16 ram compared to apples site.

Here is another ebay
NEW 2012 Apple Mac Mini 2.3GHz i7 Quad Core 16GB 512GB SSD Drive
Windows 7
Price $1638.00

I have not thing against this type of business or the seller. But depending on the mark up and the cost of the SSD, why won't you just do it yourself? Mac Mini (especially the newer ones), not the ones from 2009 is extremely easy to upgrade compare to the older ones. You could simply buy the top end Mac mini right now, wait until the RAM and SSD price to come down then purchase/install by yourself. Trust me, it's not that difficult, you can go to ifixit.com and they will have the whole step by step out for you.

I think more to the point -- does it do what you want it to do? If it does, it doesn't matter if it is outdated. In my case I bought a new one a few weeks ago to replace an existing 4 year old mini as an entertainment server. I had one (I've got three) that had developed flakey wifi and audio output had failed. I didn't need increased performance but it turns out the HDMI connection provides superior picture and sound to the old VGA + analog audio I had before. I'd also consider replacing my mini server (same vintage) with the current model, especially if new ones do come out because of the additional discount. I'd gain 2x the cores and Thunderbolt/USB3 connectivity which, frankly, I wouldn't be using at the moment but it opens up modernizing in the future.

While I do agree with you, that you should buy whatever you need. But at the same time, giving the price point and the hardware specs, I can't honestly say it's wroth it. Even if we ignore the whole CPU aspect of things, you are still looking at the overall specs of a older computer. Just from the wireless network perspective, knowing how much faster the AC network would be and that the new airport extreme are equipped with the AC, I would hate having to get the older mac mini then realize that the mini can't work with the newer technology because it is, in fact, older technology. I would gladly buy the mac mini right now, only if it was lower in price. I don't think the overall specs is wroth what they are charing right now.
 
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talmy

macrumors 601
Oct 26, 2009
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While I do agree with you, that you should buy whatever you need. But at the same time, giving the price point and the hardware specs, I can't honestly say it's wroth it. Even if we ignore the whole CPU aspect of things, you are still looking at the overall specs of a older computer. Just from the wireless network perspective, knowing how much faster the AC network would be and that the new airport extreme are equipped with the AC, I would hate having to get the older mac mini then realize that the mini can't work with the newer technology because it is, in fact, older technology. I would gladly buy the mac mini right now, only if it was lower in price. I don't think the overall specs is wroth what they are charing right now.

In my case, since N is sufficient, AC would give no benefit. I'm afraid a new model will remove the IR receiver, which I make use of for both of my media center minis. For my mini server I utilize FW800 on external drives and that will also certainly go. The potential of a sealed box also scares me somewhat. I'm perfectly happy with what the current mini does, so it is worth the cost for me.
 

iZac

macrumors 68030
Apr 28, 2003
2,744
3,262
UK
I'm now officially on the same waiting list as all of you, waiting for a new mini.

I've basically been using my MBA as a media server for the past two years and it's taken it's toll. I'm looking to get a replacement that will play movies and a couple of modest games, while hooked up to a few HDs.

I'm deliberating between an Apple TV or a Mac mini, but really I have to wait until they both get refreshed. If the updated Apple TV with App Store support can work as a Plex Media Server (not just as a player) and play some iOS games, I'll get that, but if not, I'm waiting on this little mini to be updated!
 

chrfr

macrumors G5
Jul 11, 2009
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7,310
I may opt for this as this is a good price for a large SSD and 16 ram compared to apples site.
Yes, cheaper than Apple, but Apple's prices on RAM and SSDs aren't good. Also, generally speaking, Apple won't service your computer if you don't have the original disk or RAM in it. They tend to blame 3rd party accessories, even if whatever fault you're having isn't actually the source of the problem. Also, you might have warranty problems with the RAM and SSD if either of those fail, and not having receipts from the manufacturer, you might be stuck.
 

SoCalReviews

macrumors 6502a
Dec 31, 2012
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In my case, since N is sufficient, AC would give no benefit. I'm afraid a new model will remove the IR receiver, which I make use of for both of my media center minis. For my mini server I utilize FW800 on external drives and that will also certainly go. The potential of a sealed box also scares me somewhat. I'm perfectly happy with what the current mini does, so it is worth the cost for me.

I agree that newer doesn't always mean better. Apple removed a lot of interface and connectivity features from the newer Haswell Retina notebook lineup (IR receiver, Ethernet, Firewire, etc.). In my opinion the soldered RAM, proprietary flash drive and the lack up user upgradeability is a step backwards. It's just a matter of time before these changes come to the Mini.

Haswell was designed for portables and was an incremental design step in preparation for 14nm Broadwell. There were some design changes introduced in Haswell relating to legacy Intel chip set design that I had my doubts about. The thermal issues with Haswell have also been a bit of a concern which I believe is why you see the chips clocked slightly slower than Ivy Bridge. For desktops I think I actually prefer Ivy Bridge. The only real improvements for the entry level Haswell chipsets I like are the somewhat improved graphics, wireless AC and Thunderbolt 2.
 
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Micky Do

macrumors 68020
Aug 31, 2012
2,217
3,163
a South Pacific island
New Mac Mini waiting list? Not I.

I'm now officially on the same waiting list as all of you, waiting for a new mini.

I'll get a whatever Mac Mini is current when the need arises. For now my present Mini is chugging along just fine.

Tuesday, however, is a another story. There is always the remote possibility of some dire catastrophe ending the world as we know it before some Tuesday or another…… in which case the Mac Mini will become irrelevant.
 
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