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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

DesertSurfer said:
Are you going to try the VM route?
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I am am currently on windows 10 and my iPad/iPhone and currently macless for the first time.
I refuse to buy the 2014 machine as I want to buy one that will get the longest OS X updates.
Buying a 2014 in 2017 could mean shorting the lifetime by 2-3 years.
 
robotica said:
I am am currently on windows 10 and my iPad/iPhone and currently macless for the first time.
I refuse to buy the 2014 machine as I want to buy one that will get the longest OS X updates.
Buying a 2014 in 2017 could mean shorting the lifetime by 2-3 years.
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That's actually a really good point but what excuse would Apple use to expire a 2014 Mac Mini in terms of updates aside from it becoming vintage? It's a got a full 64-bit Haswell CPU.
 
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sublunar said:
That's actually a really good point but what excuse would Apple use to expire a 2014 Mac Mini in terms of updates aside from it becoming vintage? It's a got a full 64-bit Haswell CPU.
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They typically discontinue OS support because they don't want to support drivers for the older video chips. That's likely be the reason they'd give for the next OS not supporting the older Mac Mini.
 
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robotica said:
They will find any excuse to cut off older equipment, usually 5-6 years after its released.
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Which is interesting, considering they are STILL selling the 2012 MacBook Pro in the refurbished store. That would be pretty terrible to sell a $1139 (CDN) computer and drop support for it almost immediately.
 
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sublunar said:
That's actually a really good point but what excuse would Apple use to expire a 2014 Mac Mini in terms of updates aside from it becoming vintage? It's a got a full 64-bit Haswell CPU.
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My 2012 15" cMBP, might be the last Mac I own, at this rate. To get comparable specs with the new MBP, I'd have to spend $4,000. I spend around $2k in 2012, and upgraded the machine as I went along.

Just like my sig says, which is really a shame, seeing as I got several family members and friends to switch to Mac as well.

Soooo amazingly disappointing.
 
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DesertSurfer said:
Are you going to try the VM route?
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Yes, for sure! But mainly for the fun of it, my workflow is now just fine in Win 10. I have zero issues with it. Come to think of it, having MacOS as a VM would allow me to text from my computer again, which is a big failing in Win 10. So stupid. But hey, that will be really awesome. Because that was like my favorite thing about MacOS was being able to text message from computer.
 
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Cape Dave said:
Yes, for sure! But mainly for the fun of it, my workflow is now just fine in Win 10. I have zero issues with it. Come to think of it, having MacOS as a VM would allow me to text from my computer again, which is a big failing in Win 10. So stupid. But hey, that will be really awesome. Because that was like my favorite thing about MacOS was being able to text message from computer.
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I don't think continuity with messaging will work with a VM. It requires a serial number from Apple or a faked ID in order to use your iCloud Apple ID to work. At least that's the way it works with a hack through Clover configuration on a hack.
I could be wrong but have seen no evidence it will work.
 
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Crosscreek said:
I don't think continuity with messaging will work with a VM. It requires a serial number from Apple or a faked ID in order to use your iCloud Apple ID to work. At least that's the way it works with a hack through Clover configuration on a hack.
I could be wrong but have seen no evidence it will work.
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Thanks for the heads up. I thought that may be the case. Darn. So much potential :) I have looked at messaging apps for Win 10 and all are klunky and most seem to require Skype. Which I do not want to use.
 
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DesertSurfer said:
Apple will be making laptops and iMacs for a while longer.
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"A While" defined as:

An unmeasured quantity of time. A time period that possibly extends into the future for an undetermined amount of time, perhaps seconds, minutes, days, weeks, months, years, etc.

Not to be confused with indefinitely, forever, unending, or commitment.
 
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EightyTwenty said:
Which is interesting, considering they are STILL selling the 2012 MacBook Pro in the refurbished store. That would be pretty terrible to sell a $1139 (CDN) computer and drop support for it almost immediately.
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I hear ya'. Try getting your hands on a 2014 MBP i7 with the discrete graphics card. -Horrendously expensive for how old it is, but that's also why you're seeing 2012 i7 QC Mini's on Amazon for $1300-$1600 USD: They're incredibly useful.

Well, they wouldn't be able to sell as many on the store or the refurb page if Apple displayed a banner that announced that This Product Will Be Unsupported as Soon as You Payment Clears.

I'm wondering how much Apple Care is really worth past year 1. If you run a machine 24/7, if it's going to fail, it'll usually do so within the first month. If you buy a new machine, run that baby 24/7. Regarding the nMP graphics issues, I'm not convinced that the QC is what it was in 2012. This is what happens when a company diverts from technology and focuses on lifestyle products. Apple could prove me wrong by releasing a new Mac Mini with specs superior to the 2012 i7 Quad Core Mac Mini, and a new Mac Pro that can compete with a Boxx or an HP-840z. We shall see.
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BeefCake 15 said:
The new filesystem is a big step forward in their defense, hopefully more good to come.
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I hope you are right, but when you combine that with the recent Activation Lock removal, it could be an advance to prevent people from building their own Macs or using their devices with drives that are formatted differently. -Like when someone brings their own media drive into a studio with partially finished/tracked sessions for Pro Tools or Logic, etc.

I sense sneakery; Walled and Covered Garden and all... But we shall see.
 
JamesPDX said:
I hope you are right, but when you combine that with the recent Activation Lock removal, it could be an advance to prevent people from building their own Macs or using their devices with drives that are formatted differently. -Like when someone brings their own media drive into a studio with partially finished/tracked sessions for Pro Tools or Logic, etc.

I sense sneakery; Walled and Covered Garden and all... But we shall see.
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Man the conspiracies on the Activation Lock removal is running wild on the forum, it can be for the security of the users. We shall see
 
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CmdrLaForge said:
I expect Apple to take into account when the stopped selling the unit and not when they initially released it.
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I used to expect Apple to at least stay competitive on the hardware specs and options.

But they haven't.

I used to expect to stick with Apple.

But I now increasingly see a time when I won't.
 
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Count Blah said:
My 2012 15" cMBP, might be the last Mac I own, at this rate. To get comparable specs with the new MBP, I'd have to spend $4,000. I spend around $2k in 2012, and upgraded the machine as I went along.

Just like my sig says, which is really a shame, seeing as I got several family members and friends to switch to Mac as well.

Soooo amazingly disappointing.
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Yeah but you paid people other than Apple for the upgrades. It would stand to reason that Apple would want to maximise the cost paid per unit.

Consider a company that made beautifully built products designed and built by engineers who were finished when the product was right - the product was then sold at a premium price with marketing to match. Then a decade later, accountants took over and demanded the next generation products be built to hit a price point.

Customers purchased the new products based on the good will built up by the golden generation of earlier products but then you start seeing reviews on the new products being less satisfying than the older products despite there being a continued focus on technology and invention - due to penny pinching and compromises.

Despite this, the image of the golden generation remains for years afterwards, maintaining a halo effect which is barely diminished but there are competing products by rival firms which are better in some ways, less so in others.

I am, of course, talking about Mercedes circa 1970s-80s vs the 1990s models. I'm not saying that Apple will keep going for decades, though. Just ask Blackberry.
 
sublunar said:
Then a decade later, accountants took over and demanded the next generation products be built to hit a price point.
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This is exactly what is happening at Apple though. Only the price point is higher than before, rather than lower. "I don't care what you add to the new Macbook Pro, just remember prices will start at $1999".
 
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