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haravikk

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If that is the best they can do, I'll build my own small computer. I highly doubt they would be that stupid. Spinners belong external for storage. SSD's forever. It is 2014, not 1994.
Good luck getting one that's just as small and as affordable by building it yourself with an SSD.

Like it or not, SSDs aren't really necessary for many casual computer users, and they're still too expensive to put in budget computers as standard. The gap between the two on capacity and price will have to close quite a bit more before HDDs are in danger of disappearing.

Besides, why this need to force everyone to have SSDs? What exactly is wrong with users having the choice of whether they put an expensive part in their entry level Mac?
 

philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
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Howell, New Jersey
I've just switched from windows to macos
have been using pc's for give or take 20 years
I truly already think that mac's are superior
wouldn't go windows if I were you (and certainly no linux either)

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a 5400 rpm wasn't 2012 either
yet apple sold many

windows 7 is pretty good can't say much for windows 8

and I don't like what apple did in mavericks when it comes to memory ie hiding page ins and page outs was a disservice to us.
 

grandM

macrumors 68000
Oct 14, 2013
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windows 7 is pretty good can't say much for windows 8

and I don't like what apple did in mavericks when it comes to memory ie hiding page ins and page outs was a disservice to us.
macOS is better than win7: stability, wifi etc
 

Cape Dave

macrumors 68020
Nov 16, 2012
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Good luck getting one that's just as small and as affordable by building it yourself with an SSD.

Like it or not, SSDs aren't really necessary for many casual computer users, and they're still too expensive to put in budget computers as standard. The gap between the two on capacity and price will have to close quite a bit more before HDDs are in danger of disappearing.

Besides, why this need to force everyone to have SSDs? What exactly is wrong with users having the choice of whether they put an expensive part in their entry level Mac?

Slow computers suck time from people without them knowing it. Fast computers please. Spinners had their day, it is now SSD's turn. I am not the only one. A little company you may have heard of has like 75% of their computers SSD. Yup, Apple!
 

MrGuder

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Nov 30, 2012
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I feel better that it didn't come 2 weeks after I bought mine. ;)
If it' next year or even later this year...I will feel even better. :D

Seriously, my 2012 mini is blistering fast and all I hoped it could be. If it does come next Tues I have no regrets...Still checking this thread daily just to read the comments which are quite funny!!!

Macrumors even put a side bar blurp on the homepage, Mac Mini soon? ha
 

Crosscreek

macrumors 68030
Nov 19, 2013
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I feel better that it didn't come 2 weeks after I bought mine. ;)
If it' next year or even later this year...I will feel even better. :D

Seriously, my 2012 mini is blistering fast and all I hoped it could be. If it does come next Tues I have no regrets...Still checking this thread daily just to read the comments which are quite funny!!!

Macrumors even put a side bar blurp on the homepage, Mac Mini soon? ha

I wouldn't worry about it coming very soon. It's going to be a while. it's always fun to wait for Tuesday. :)
 

Mal67

macrumors 6502a
Apr 2, 2006
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West Oz
Just change the heading to It's probably coming or It might be coming which probably sums up the mac mini state of affairs better this late in the game. C'mon Apple how hard is it? Even if the plan is to get rid rid of it or to change it dramatically in some way bumping up to haswell with a better graphics solution surely should be a winner all around. They could've done this months ago and I bet it would have been a success in terms of sales. Flogging off an unchanged mini for the same price more than a year after it was released is pretty considerate of you. My 2c
 
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MrGuder

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Just change the heading to It's probably coming or It might be coming which probably sums up the mac mini state of affairs better this late in the game. C'mon Apple how hard is it? Even if the plan is to get rid rid of it or to change it dramatically in some way bumping up to haswell with a better graphics solution surely should be a winner all around. They could've done this months ago and I bet it would have been a success in terms of sales. Flogging off an unchanged mini for the same price more than a year after it was released is pretty considerate of you. My 2c

Or it could be titled...."The New Mac Mini...it's probably coming on any given Tuesday" :D

on the up side there are 3 refurbs now showing up in the store.
 

philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
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Howell, New Jersey
macOS is better than win7: stability, wifi etc

Not in every case for every person.

I live near 2 military air bases so wifi is a joke.

A Plane goes overhead wifi drops out so My home is all cat 5/6.

I prefer mac os and use it whenever I can, but my windows 7 gear runs

24/7/365.

Many times the windows 7 pc's run 20 or 30 days without a problem.



BTW no sooner then June 14th 2014!

More then likely when it shows up I won't buy it as it will have hd4600 and meh who cares.

I prefer it to show in Oct or later with hd5000+ gpu. I would get that one.
 

Jambalaya

macrumors 6502a
Jun 21, 2013
715
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UK
noise is the answer, a 7200 spinner is considerably louder than a 5400 especially in the confined space of the mini where noise cannot dissipate but rather gets transmuted through the other components...
I can't hear the 7200rpm HDD in my Mini, perhaps that's a beneficial side effect of being over 50 :cool:
 

haravikk

macrumors 65832
May 1, 2005
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Slow computers suck time from people without them knowing it.
OS X makes very good use of RAM to largely eliminate most delays from hard-drives when it comes to opening and running apps, and it'll even preload stuff now.

This means that the main advantage for SSDs are on start-up times or accessing larger content like games at movies, however, for start-up times you don't really need them to quick for a desktop (you don't have to stand around waiting for it), or you can even just put it to sleep instead in which case the delay is eliminated entirely. Games aren't really a target demographic for the Mac Mini, and are more of a niche use-case regardless, so those users are free to use an SSD if they want. Movies meanwhile don't require SSD speeds unless you're trying to edit them, and even then if you're not doing serious HD editing a hard-drive is still plenty fast for the purpose.

Spinners had their day, it is now SSD's turn.
Sure, when those SSDs can provide the same capacity, at the same cost. Otherwise you're trying to convince someone to buy an entry-level computer with limited storage at a higher price, with the only advantage being speed they may not actually see any benefit from.

Spinning drives still have a clear advantage on capacity and cost, and in an entry level the latter is more important, particularly if the speed is plenty for the typical user's needs.

I am not the only one. A little company you may have heard of has like 75% of their computers SSD. Yup, Apple!
Apple has SSDs as standard in their laptops and the new Mac Pros; the latter has them because it is a performance machine, and since anyone with significant capacity needs outgrew internal storage long ago anyway, so it makes more sense to have a faster working drive, plus a high capacity external drive for storage.

In the case of laptops speed isn't the only advantage of SSDs; a lack of moving parts is a big bonus for mobile devices (no wear and tear), as is the lower energy consumption thus longer battery life. Even so, they've lost capacity as a result, but then they're not a device where someone would typically store a huge movie library anyway.


So I say yet again; SSDs still aren't cheap enough to make any kind of sense being forced into an entry-level computer, as making it more expensive would be a mistake. So why exactly do you seem to be so opposed to the idea of letting customers choose for themselves whether they want to pay more for SSD speeds or not?
 

Maxedonia

macrumors newbie
Dec 14, 2013
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So I say yet again; SSDs still aren't cheap enough to make any kind of sense being forced into an entry-level computer, as making it more expensive would be a mistake. So why exactly do you seem to be so opposed to the idea of letting customers choose for themselves whether they want to pay more for SSD speeds or not?

Maybe not in an entry level computer, but in a entry level Mac? Yes.

People who can't afford Apple products should just look elsewhere for cheaper products that will do the same or more for less money. Think of the Mac Mini as a Porsche Boxter. It's an entry level Porsche but that doesn't make it cheap or an entry level car...
 

Cape Dave

macrumors 68020
Nov 16, 2012
2,394
1,704
Northeast
OS X makes very good use of RAM to largely eliminate most delays from hard-drives when it comes to opening and running apps, and it'll even preload stuff now.

This means that the main advantage for SSDs are on start-up times or accessing larger content like games at movies, however, for start-up times you don't really need them to quick for a desktop (you don't have to stand around waiting for it), or you can even just put it to sleep instead in which case the delay is eliminated entirely. Games aren't really a target demographic for the Mac Mini, and are more of a niche use-case regardless, so those users are free to use an SSD if they want. Movies meanwhile don't require SSD speeds unless you're trying to edit them, and even then if you're not doing serious HD editing a hard-drive is still plenty fast for the purpose.


Sure, when those SSDs can provide the same capacity, at the same cost. Otherwise you're trying to convince someone to buy an entry-level computer with limited storage at a higher price, with the only advantage being speed they may not actually see any benefit from.

Spinning drives still have a clear advantage on capacity and cost, and in an entry level the latter is more important, particularly if the speed is plenty for the typical user's needs.


Apple has SSDs as standard in their laptops and the new Mac Pros; the latter has them because it is a performance machine, and since anyone with significant capacity needs outgrew internal storage long ago anyway, so it makes more sense to have a faster working drive, plus a high capacity external drive for storage.

In the case of laptops speed isn't the only advantage of SSDs; a lack of moving parts is a big bonus for mobile devices (no wear and tear), as is the lower energy consumption thus longer battery life. Even so, they've lost capacity as a result, but then they're not a device where someone would typically store a huge movie library anyway.


So I say yet again; SSDs still aren't cheap enough to make any kind of sense being forced into an entry-level computer, as making it more expensive would be a mistake. So why exactly do you seem to be so opposed to the idea of letting customers choose for themselves whether they want to pay more for SSD speeds or not?

I tried my mini with its 5400 stock drive. MOLASSES. I would give up computers if I had to use it.

Quieter, faster, cooler and ostensibly more reliable.

SSD's all the way!

And I only care if for some reason I am working on their slow as mud computer. Then it is a waste of MY time.
 

philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
6,403
278
Howell, New Jersey
Wifi? How is OSX better at wifi than win7? Legitimately curious.

may be within his use of a few pc's and a few macs the macs are better.

Just as in my area wifi has endless dropouts due to military flyovers.


In my case all wifi is pretty bad,but if I drive about 10 miles north of my home

wifi is fine.

So if he had 2 pc's that were bad at wifi and 2 macs good he may think it is the os. it could be the gear is bad
 

phositadc

macrumors 6502
Dec 9, 2012
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may be within his use of a few pc's and a few macs the macs are better.



Just as in my area wifi has endless dropouts due to military flyovers.





In my case all wifi is pretty bad,but if I drive about 10 miles north of my home



wifi is fine.



So if he had 2 pc's that were bad at wifi and 2 macs good he may think it is the os. it could be the gear is bad


In other words, there is no principled basis for his statement. Personal experience at most.
 
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