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philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
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278
Howell, New Jersey
In other words, there is no principled basis for his statement. Personal experience at most.

Maybe I have never seen a perfect way to test for wifi. That is easy to do.

As dropout area like mine are scattered all over the USA.

Forget when the 911 ramp-up occurred under BUSH in 2004-2008 and a hundred military plane flew overhead in a day.

Constant drops of wifi. Now I can go much longer without issues.

As planes fly less. Good luck accounting for a variable such as that.
 

haravikk

macrumors 65832
May 1, 2005
1,501
21
People who can't afford Apple products should just look elsewhere for cheaper products that will do the same or more for less money. Think of the Mac Mini as a Porsche Boxter. It's an entry level Porsche but that doesn't make it cheap or an entry level car...
At it's current price point the Mac Mini is a pretty reasonable machine, not just as a Mac; it was even better when it came out and the various components were more recent. The premium you're paying may be partly for the brand, but it's also for a neat, superbly engineered little machine; for the same money you can get bigger, more powerful computers, but not many that offer the same performance in a similar package.

But you're talking about driving up the cost for no clear reason, when it's perfectly feasible to just continue to offer the customers the choice. If you want to insist on using the Porsche Boxster as an example, you're talking along the lines of dropping the basic model in favour of forcing people to only by the GTS; it's faster sure, but also more expensive, and yet Porsche can clearly see the advantage of offering the choice of the more modest, more affordable model.

I tried my mini with its 5400 stock drive. MOLASSES. I would give up computers if I had to use it.
Doing what? In my household we have a Mac Pro (mine, uses an SSD to speed up the OS), a low end iMac, and two low-end Mac Minis with 4gb RAM (one would have had stock 2gb otherwise, at the time). The family members using the Mac Minis are perfectly happy with the speed of the machines themselves, in fact the main speed issues are games not running well but that's usually the fault of the GPUs.

I also use the Mac Minis any time I need to make sure some updates are applied, or if my own machine isn't switched on at the time, or if I need to print something (since people keeping switching the damned thing off so there's no point in my using printer sharing); my point being that I use the Mac Minis fairly regularly, and I find they perform just fine. Thanks to being such quiet, power efficient machines it's a simple matter to put them to sleep instead of shutting down, which means they're very quick from being woken up to logging in and using them.

Granted the hard-drives aren't the greatest in the world, but there are 7200rpm drives Apple could use instead, or even hybrid SSHDs, both of which could be used without having to drive up the cost of Apple's entry level machine for no reason. If a customer wants faster, then they're still free to switch to an SSD if they want to. I find it appalling than you'd see customers forced to take a more expensive option that they may only see relatively small benefits from (unlike laptop users who see multiple benefits), or who may even be inconvenienced if the lower capacities cause them to run out of space. In a few years as SSDs continue to go down in cost, sure, but now is still not time for SSDs to become the norm for desktops.
 

Micky Do

macrumors 68020
Aug 31, 2012
2,217
3,163
a South Pacific island
The space time continuum continues relentlessly on

…... and convention has it that tomorrow is Wednesday, thus today must be Tuesday, if it matters.

This thread took about two and a half months to reach a thousand posts. The momentum is picking up. At the current rate of angst, within month and a half it could reach the next thousand.
 
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mvmanolov

macrumors 6502a
Aug 27, 2013
858
5
well 2 things...

1) i wander how far off the biggest thread this one is...

2) the levels of anxiety displayed in this thread say quite a bit about us.... I just don't know what... ;)


oh, ab for the record Tuesday is coming!!!:eek:
 

tom vilsack

macrumors 68000
Nov 20, 2010
1,880
63
ladner cdn
Coming when:

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scottsjack

macrumors 68000
Aug 25, 2010
1,906
311
Arizona
prices dropped on bh from 569 to 549 on the stock configuration. any hope is good hope rite now haha

Their prices on the base models tend to float around a bit. I bought my 2.3 quad in January for 739.99. Then it went up to (I believe) 759.99. Now it is 749.99. That is why I got a 2.3. I would rather have had a 2.6 but not for $160.00.
 

Crosscreek

macrumors 68030
Nov 19, 2013
2,892
5,793
Margarittaville
Long live Tuesdays.



Wow…. got away with it. My single word answer experience (even when justified) is deletion and a scolding for frivolity tuning up in my PM box.

Long live the current Mac Mini…. still probably all the computer that most people need.

Really? Didn't no. Guess I should have read the rules or something. :eek:
 

Cape Dave

macrumors 68020
Nov 16, 2012
2,394
1,704
Northeast
I have analyzed all posts in this thread. And I think that what we are all trying to say is...

that at the end of the day, it should be a LAW that Apple upgrade/refresh the mini and if they do not, they immediately owe us the next refreshed model at 50% off. No, wait a minute. Free.

AND

They can NEVER discontinue it without the approval of everyone in this thread.

We also allow them to "fork" the mini, if necessary, to have a model more like the current one but refreshed and also a smaller, newer, different mini.

This way, all of our hard work on this thread will not be in vain.

And, you knew it was coming...everything they ever do or announce about the mini simply HAS to be on a Tuesday.

Yay Apple!
 

mvmanolov

macrumors 6502a
Aug 27, 2013
858
5
I have analyzed all posts in this thread. And I think that what we are all trying to say is...

that at the end of the day, it should be a LAW that Apple upgrade/refresh the mini and if they do not, they immediately owe us the next refreshed model at 50% off. No, wait a minute. Free.

AND

They can NEVER discontinue it without the approval of everyone in this thread.

We also allow them to "fork" the mini, if necessary, to have a model more like the current one but refreshed and also a smaller, newer, different mini.

This way, all of our hard work on this thread will not be in vain.

And, you knew it was coming...everything they ever do or announce about the mini simply HAS to be on a Tuesday.

Yay Apple!

Yes! Exactly....

I think we should write an open letter to Tim..... with exactly what you said!!!

i'll sign it!
 

Micky Do

macrumors 68020
Aug 31, 2012
2,217
3,163
a South Pacific island
Really? Didn't no. Guess I should have read the rules or something. :eek:

Nah, it's not worth the hassle in this pernickety place, where I have endured a scolding several times. On other forums, mostly motorcycle, where comment can get more robust, I have yet to fall foul of "the rules"

I have analyzed all posts in this thread. And I think that what we are all trying to say is...

that at the end of the day, it should be a LAW that Apple upgrade/refresh the mini and if they do not, they immediately owe us the next refreshed model at 50% off. No, wait a minute. Free.

AND

They can NEVER discontinue it without the approval of everyone in this thread.

We also allow them to "fork" the mini, if necessary, to have a model more like the current one but refreshed and also a smaller, newer, different mini.

This way, all of our hard work on this thread will not be in vain.

And, you knew it was coming...everything they ever do or announce about the mini simply HAS to be on a Tuesday.

Yay Apple!

Analysis? Why bother?

An antsy few take it all very seriously. To others it's just a hoot.
 

Cape Dave

macrumors 68020
Nov 16, 2012
2,394
1,704
Northeast
Nah, it's not worth the hassle in this pernickety place, where I have endured a scolding several times. On other forums, mostly motorcycle, where comment can get more robust, I have yet to fall foul of "the rules"



Analysis? Why bother?

An antsy few take it all very seriously. To others it's just a hoot.

Like I spent any time actually analyzing :) This thread actually has some EXCELLENT ideas on where the mini should go (or not) and why and I find that fascinating.

And I get a laugh at how everyone wants this refresh yesterday. And I agree! When I bought my mini I really thought there was going to be a quick refresh and I had already committed to getting it. Well, for sure if it had PCI SSD :) That was going on 8 months ago :)
 
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