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mvmanolov

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I have just noticed that on Mars, they have discovered water. Do you think that means a refresh for the mini will be announced today? I am quite sure it does.

Unless the water is hot water. Then no. But if it is cold water, then YES, a new mini!

I love this thread!

hahaha, this just about sums it up! love it!
 

iFitzgerald

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More than 1,800 days since I updated my Mac Mini, and about 600 days since I upgraded the RAM….. and still don't give a hoot, but find this thread amusing none the less.

Tomorrow is…...

Well, when I mentioned it was nearing the longest update cycle ever, I meant it more as a curiosity than anything else.

On the other hand, while you may not give a hoot, the beauty of this world is that everyone isn't the same, and there are people who do give a hoot (some give too much hoot to be honest) and some just like to debate the "State of the Mini" ;)

I was going to comment that a 2 year refresh on a desktop is not unreasonable but not lowering the price on old hardware is. :cool:

Indeed. If they would lower the price of the Mini to reflect it's hardware it wouldn't hurt and I think it would make sense.
 

Micky Do

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The iPhone and the iPad make most of the profit for Apple and they get updated every year. There are also 3 models of MacBooks (1 Air, 2 Pro) on the Amazon top 20, and they also get updates every year ;)

I don't get this thing where North Americans seem to expect annual updates for consumer goods. I guess it won't be long before you see 2015 cars being released. The Europeans and Japanese work on a much longer, less regular product cycle.
 

Crosscreek

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I don't get this thing where North Americans seem to expect annual updates for consumer goods. I guess it won't be long before you see 2015 cars being released. The Europeans and Japanese work on a much longer, less regular product cycle.

Yeh, North American capitalism is built on the model of if you don't own the latest and greatest then your a slacker or failure.North America is a consumption society so we are taught at a early age to consume and not conserve. We are bombarded with advertising 24 hours a day.
 

Schnort

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I don't get this thing where North Americans seem to expect annual updates for consumer goods. I guess it won't be long before you see 2015 cars being released. The Europeans and Japanese work on a much longer, less regular product cycle.
I don't know where you're getting this from.

All of consumer electronics is on a yearly cycle. Some of it on a half year cycle. This includes all the major markets: Asia, North America, Europe.

As far as I know, Japanese and European car manufacturers have annual models, though maybe less for boutique manufacturers.

What major manufacturer doesn't have an annual release cycle?
 

Crosscreek

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You are right except when the world was in chaos during WW2. I guess then it didn't matter because we had more important things to worry about.
Don't worry though a new Mini is coming. :rolleyes:
 

radiohed

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My 2010 mini is still going strong with the SSD I installed. :D I still would like to upgrade this year. I'm sure the current quad core processors are much faster than my C2D. I hope they do a redesign now that they don't need a space for the optical drive. A mini sized mpro would be really cool, but I don't see that happening. I have considered going with an iMac, but a new mini would really suite my needs fine.
 

Micky Do

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I don't know where you're getting this from.

All of consumer electronics is on a yearly cycle. Some of it on a half year cycle. This includes all the major markets: Asia, North America, Europe.

As far as I know, Japanese and European car manufacturers have annual models, though maybe less for boutique manufacturers.

What major manufacturer doesn't have an annual release cycle?

Maybe the Europeans and Asians titivate cars and other goods annually for the North American market. Here in Asia the same model runs for several years, and in Europe I noticed the same.
 

haravikk

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It seems that Broadwell is now meant to be released by the end of the summer holiday season, which probably means mid to late August, but Apple have managed to get chips early before. Even if not, they could still show off a redesigned Mac Mini at WWDC for later release when chip volumes are high enough; here's hoping!
 

Jambalaya

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It seems that Broadwell is now meant to be released by the end of the summer holiday season, which probably means mid to late August, but Apple have managed to get chips early before. Even if not, they could still show off a redesigned Mac Mini at WWDC for later release when chip volumes are high enough; here's hoping!
I think a new 12 retina Mac Book Air with touch screen ala iPad/iPhone and an iOS like version of OS X has the wow factor for WWDC. A new Mac Mini doesn't cut it. The best we can hope for is a mention or more likely a low key release late in the year.
 

Crosscreek

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I think a new 12 retina Mac Book Air with touch screen ala iPad/iPhone and an iOS like version of OS X has the wow factor for WWDC. A new Mac Mini doesn't cut it. The best we can hope for is a mention or more likely a low key release late in the year.

That is a interesting thought to have some more OSX capability with DDR4 ram and A8 processor for the 12" fanless.

Future of the Mini if there is one will be Broadwell next year IMHO.
 

mdgm

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I really hope that the rumours of a switch to using ARM are wrong.

I would like to get new Minis at some point, but I'd definitely want them to have quad-core (or better) Intel CPUs.
 

Crosscreek

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I really hope that the rumours of a switch to using ARM are wrong.

I would like to get new Minis at some point, but I'd definitely want them to have quad-core (or better) Intel CPUs.

It's a good chance that we may see a low price point Mac Mini and the same with a low price point iMac and MacBook at WWDC according to the rumors from France MacBidouille.






Translated by GOOGLE.

[Rumor] Apple would work well with ARM Mac
By Lionel - 05/24/2014 7:50:51 CEST - Category: Apple
One of our contacts we have always regarded as reliable sent us information that would be hard to believe if it were just another company Apple. In summary, the company would work well towards a transition to ARM all.
She had already in his cartoons what we will call OS XI equivalent OS X operating wholly within ARM.
Regarding material it would have developed prototypes several ranges of machines:
iMac which have 4 or 8 ARM 64 processor with four cores,
Mac mini which have 4 ARM 64 processor with four cores,
a portable 13 "also with 4 or 8 quad-core ARM 64 processors.
These machines are all accompanied by a new keyboard incorporating a Magic Trackpad large format.
Everything would be ready or almost at least an ad but the company still reluctant to start, not knowing if it would be a revolution or a fatal blow to its range of computers if started too early.
Difficult to give an objective opinion on this rumor that we deliver such. We do not fear as a new transition (there will certainly be a new formula Rosetta), so there has been, to see the new Mac marginalized in the computer industry. Clinging to the wagon x86 Steve Jobs wanted to ensure that the Mac survive all the horrors of electronic or almost. Here, we would go back again to proprietary solutions, albeit promising, but closed at the time of the PowerPC.
 

SoCalReviews

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Less expensive non-Intel or ARM based OS X Macs makes sense in the long run for Apple's bottom line. We will still see Broadwell Macs and future Intel Macs but I don't be surprised if we see the inclusion of and transition to ARM based Macs in the next two to five years. Non-upgradeable Intel based based Mac Minis would only be the beginning. For those who have been complaining and waiting for a Mini refresh with all new technology... be careful what you wish for.
 
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Crosscreek

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Less expensive non-Intel or ARM based OS X Macs makes sense in the long run for Apple's bottom line. We will still see Broadwell Macs and future Intel Macs but I don't be surprised if we see the inclusion of and transition to ARM based Macs in the next two to five years. Non-upgradeable Intel based based Mac Minis would only be the beginning. For those who have been complaining and waiting for a Mini refresh with all new technology... be careful what you wish for.

We will probably see new IMac, Mini and MacBook Tuesday of WWDC. AI reports 3-5 day delivery of all IMacs online Apple store.
 

kwijbo

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Less expensive non-Intel or ARM based OS X Macs makes sense in the long run for Apple's bottom line. We will still see Broadwell Macs and future Intel Macs but I don't be surprised if we see the inclusion of and transition to ARM based Macs in the next two to five years. Non-upgradeable Intel based based Mac Minis would only be the beginning. For those who have been complaining and waiting for a Mini refresh with all new technology... be careful what you wish for.

Yep. It makes sense for the consumer computer lines to go ARM as the average user comes nowhere near exhausting the capability of these computers as is. I think Apple would keep Intel in the Pro models (MBP and MP) but the Mini and MBA, being Apple's entry level machines, prioritize price over performance. Conversely, anyone who cares about having an Intel vs ARM processor (bootcamp capability, computing power, what else?) would be better off with a Pro machine anyways. The iMac is a grey area but a cheaper ARM model could coexist with a more powerful Intel model (21" vs 27").

With the decline of the PC market and the proliferation of Chromebooks, Chromeboxes and low cost PCs I think Apple is worried about the price delta becoming too great for them to overcome with the Mac allure alone. If so they would need to lower their BOMs to have the flexibility to lower prices if need be and with expensive Intel processors they're very limited, especially since Apple is so intent on delivering high quality hardware and design (rightfully so). Remember, from the evidence in the Samsung case there was an Apple internal presentation noting the only growth in smartphones was in sizes over 5" and also those under $300. Apple surely has noted the growth in Chromebooks and don't want to be left behind again (if they start gobbling up market share).

Back to the Mini, since it is probably most widely used as an entry level computer switching to ARM makes sense. They can try to regain their crown as lowest power desktop computer, significantly lower heat and noise (if not make it silent), cut the entry level price to $499 and shrink the form factor some. Even in the case of the server model a lower power, always on server that's used as a light webserver or in management of a local Mac network doesn't require massive CPU power. Those who use the i7 models as performance machines will probably be marginalized and pushed to the iMac or Pro, which is unfortunate but makes the most sense for Apple.
 
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chelch

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I could see ARM chips in Macbooks, but there's no real benefit to putting them into the iMac or Mini. And as Intel is working on it's own ARM chips, there's no reason for Apple to look for more sources. Intel can produce the volume they need, and will "agree" on the unit price Apple wants.
 
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