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They use 2 chips, 2x 64 is 128.
Remember that the RAM is part of SoC and due to the unified memory model, the CPU, GPU, Neural Engine and the other units have very fast access to the memory. So Apple needs high quality LPDDR to makes sure it isn't the speed bottleneck. Heck the M1 can peak out at 68.25GB/s and the M2 is faster.
 
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Remember that the RAM is part of SoC and due to the unified memory model, the CPU, GPU, Neural Engine and the other units have very fast access to the memory. So Apple needs high quality LPDDR to makes sure it isn't the speed bottleneck. Heck the M1 can peak out at 68.25GB/s and the M2 is faster.
Remember what? You keep acting like you are correcting me, while saying nothing. 2x 64bit chips makes 128bit which delivers 68.25GB/s. It's two $56 8GB chips.

And it's just 4266Mhz LPDDR4X in the M1 and 6400Mhz LPDDR5 in the M2. The memory chips aren't something crazy, it's more down to the bus width on the higher end chips that makes them so fast.
 
Well, bear in mind that Apple could just re-align prices on ALL products at the next Mac event. They did this in 2016 after the Brexit vote in the UK when iMacs noticeably went up 20% with no spec bump.

If Apple are looking at last minute pricing policy having looked at like FX rates for the next 12 months they may well have decided to bump the price of everything in the UK and possibly in the Eurozone too.

It's going to become obvious that they will have to do this because they can't have an M2 mini be more expensive than a Mac Studio when specs are levelled up as best as they can be.


There may still be an Apple event if they decide to showcase the Mac Pro (or Mac Ultra as that appears to be becoming the top of the range parlance for Apple lately).

In that case they would do all the presentation stuff for the shiny new product and then immediately afterwards they then do a press release for everything else. It would be the kind of event where Apple name their price for the new top of the range. I would expect the range re-pricing to then occur.
I know, I know. Don't worry, I was somewhat joking. If Apple do that to the Studio, I may keep my 2018 mini for a bit longer. Simple as that. The mini pricing will just become intolerable in Europe for many. A not so insignificant amount of people already see it as poor value for money.
 
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I know, I know. Don't worry, I was somewhat joking. If Apple do that to the Studio, I may keep my 2018 mini for a bit longer. Simple as that. The mini pricing will just become intolerable in Europe for many. A not so insignificant amount of people already see it as poor value for money.
I'm keeping my maxed out Mac Mini 2018/20 at least for another 2-3 years. For my use, Logic Pro and composing/mixing, that model is still quite powerful. The only real annoyance (except for the loud fan) is the underpowered iGPU, that can mess with the audio at lower latency settings, which shows how pathetically weak the Intel iGPU in this machine really is.

It's not a deal breaker though, and I prefer that vs. struggling with all the audio software compatibility issues still going on with the M1/M2. Ideally Apple would release an updated Intel Mac Mini this year, that could carry us over for the next 2-3 years, while the remaining audio plugin issues are being fixed.

As with many others here, I cannot justify updating my Apple computer (or iPhone) as often anymore, as everything is getting more expensive now - and the price inflation on Apple's stuff is about the worst for electronics products, here in Europe. It's a shame though, because I love getting the latest and best from Apple.
 
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It's not a deal breaker though, and I prefer that vs. struggling with all the audio software compatibility issues still going on with the M1/M2. Ideally Apple would release an updated Intel Mac Mini this year, that could carry us over for the next 2-3 years, while the remaining audio plugin issues are being fixed.
There will be no updated Intel Mac Mini — Apple will only use up what Intel CPUs it already has and odds are it simply wouldn't be worth the redesign cost to try and shove any left over i9 or Xeon W CPUs into a mini case.

Intel is dead CPU walking at Apple.
 
So Gurman is now saying that Apple may not hold an October event, instead releasing all the new product via Press Release.
That's fine with me.*

So then Apple, please just quietly release them now!

If everything is just getting a mild refresh via SoC upgrade and no new features, this makes sense as there is no reason for press to fly out to Apple Park just to see the same thing, visually.

IMO, it also implies that Apple is only going to bump the current Mac mini from M1 to M2 and keep the same chassis.
*Aye, there's the rub. If true, that doesn't bode well for a Mac mini Pro replacement for the Intel Mac mini.
 
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There will be no updated Intel Mac Mini — Apple will only use up what Intel CPUs it already has and odds are it simply wouldn't be worth the redesign cost to try and shove any left over i9 or Xeon W CPUs into a mini case.

Intel is dead CPU walking at Apple.
Of course, I'm well aware of that. I was simply stating that this would be a consumer-friendly move that would make a lot of practical sense, but then again we're talking about Apple here, so yeah, that's not gonna happen.
 
I'm keeping my maxed out Mac Mini 2018/20 at least for another 2-3 years. For my use, Logic Pro and composing/mixing, that model is still quite powerful. The only real annoyance (except for the loud fan) is the underpowered iGPU, that can mess with the audio at lower latency settings, which shows how pathetically weak the Intel iGPU in this machine really is.

It's not a deal breaker though, and I prefer that vs. struggling with all the audio software compatibility issues still going on with the M1/M2. Ideally Apple would release an updated Intel Mac Mini this year, that could carry us over for the next 2-3 years, while the remaining audio plugin issues are being fixed.

As with many others here, I cannot justify updating my Apple computer (or iPhone) as often anymore, as everything is getting more expensive now - and the price inflation on Apple's stuff is about the worst for electronics products, here in Europe. It's a shame though, because I love getting the latest and best from Apple.
I could almost certainly keep my mini for another 2 years without any major issue, but AS-powered machines are just so much smoother based on the brief experiences I have had with them, that I wanted to upgrade. However, if pricing is a joke for a tiny box with no screen or accessories, I will make my Intel mini last longer.

I was also going to upgrade my gaming PC to an RTX 4080 but will make do with what I have for two years. I am very much willing to do the same with Apple products now. Companies are making it very easy for me to delay upgrades!
 
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I could almost certainly keep my mini for another 2 years without any major issue, but AS-powered machines are just so much smoother based on the brief experiences I have had with them, that I wanted to upgrade. However, if pricing is a joke for a tiny box with no screen or accessories, I will make my Intel mini last longer.

I was also going to upgrade my gaming PC to an RTX 4080 but will make do with what I have for two years. I am very much willing to do the same with Apple products now. Companies are making it very easy to me to delay upgrades!
The M1/M2-machines so far are really impressive, and being so energy efficient (ie. silent and cool running) is a big deal, at a time where many companies have gone totally bonkers (looking at you Nvidia!). I'm sure for most purposes the Mac Studio will work just fine. When it comes to audio and DAW work it's especially complicated, because there are issues with getting stable low audio latency and native support for 3rd party software/plugins.

I don't know where you live, but here in Norway the prices for electronics products keep getting worse. The 4090 is going to be really expensive. I would wait for the 4080ti, as the 4080 is a big step down from 4090 performance wise. Btw., you can get really cheap 3080ti and 3090 cards right now too.
 
Of course, I'm well aware of that. I was simply stating that this would be a consumer-friendly move that would make a lot of practical sense, but then again we're talking about Apple here, so yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Actually we are talking about practicality and business sense. Apple had such a bad experience with Intel's Q&A being out to lunch that they started plans for AS back when Skylank was such a pain to deal with. Barring some major changes the x86 is becoming dead CPU running — the market is going low power and high performance and x86 can't deliver. Heck it has gotten to the point even Intel is looking into ARM again (they sold of their old ARM division back in 2006).
 
The M1/M2-machines so far are really impressive, and being so energy efficient (ie. silent and cool running) is a big deal, at a time where many companies have gone totally bonkers (looking at you Nvidia!). I'm sure for most purposes the Mac Studio will work just fine. When it comes to audio and DAW work it's especially complicated, because there are issues with getting stable low audio latency and native support for 3rd party software/plugins.

I don't know where you live, but here in Norway the prices for electronics products keep getting worse. The 4090 is going to be really expensive. If I could, I would wait for the 4080ti, as the 4080 is a big step down from 4090 performance wise, and 4090 is a dumb gaming card (ie. paying for 24gb of RAM). Btw., you can get really cheap 3080ti and 3090 cards right now too.
An M2 mini would be fine power wise for me, but at 16GB RAM (24GB would be nice) with a 512GB SSD and reflecting the fact the GBP has tanked, I can see it being £1,249 or nearer £1,500 for more RAM. That is just ridiculous for no screen, keyboard and trackpad. It would also be tight on ports and I have no interest in spending £300 on thunderbolt dock.

I have an RTX 3080 at the moment, so can't complain too much, but was willing to upgrade at the right price ;) Part of me is still tempted to try switching to Windows full-time, but I'm not sure I can manage that just yet (even if my Mac OS experience is deteriorating like a brick falling out of a window).
 
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Ideally Apple would release an updated Intel Mac Mini this year, that could carry us over for the next 2-3 years, while the remaining audio plugin issues are being fixed.
There will be no updated Intel Mac Mini...
Of course, I'm well aware of that. I was simply stating that this would be a consumer-friendly move that would make a lot of practical sense, but then again we're talking about Apple here, so yeah, that's not gonna happen.

Spinning the death of Intel CPUs in the Mac mini as "Apple is not consumer-friendly...!" while Apple is actively transitioning away from Intel CPUs seems a bit disingenuous...
 
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Intel did release a 65W Tiger Lake desktop CPU that might be pin-compatible with the 2018 Mac mini systemboard, but I doubt the sales volumes of the model would come close to justifying the development and certification costs of making a new model with it, hence why Apple has not bothered.

 
Actually we are talking about practicality and business sense. Apple had such a bad experience with Intel's Q&A being out to lunch that they started plans for AS back when Skylank was such a pain to deal with.
Nah. Apple bought PA Semi 7 years before Skylake was even released and it is very likely Apple had aspirations for Apple Silicon Macs, not just iDevice SoCs, even back then.
 
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Aye. Apple was burned by the PPC so they had no real choice but to go to Intel and I would not be surprised if Steve was not happy about trading one dominant CPU partner for another and therefore started work on porting the Mac to silicon Apple could control the destiny of.
 
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Spinning the death of Intel CPUs in the Mac mini as "Apple is not consumer-friendly...!" while Apple is actively transitioning away from Intel CPUs seems a bit disingenuous...
For certain things like audio and DAW work, we have still a long way to go with software/plugins getting proper native support. It would have made plenty good sense for *the user*, if Apple had released an updated Mac Mini Intel version during the last year to ease the transition IMO. Don't forget, Apple ís still selling the Intel Mac Mini on their website, and charging too much money for a computer with an aging 2018 CPU. So, I don't think I'm being very disingenuous at all.
 
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On the flip side, one could argue it is the application and plug-in vendors who should be updating their product to work with Apple Silicon since they have had years to do so.

And Apple is still offering new Intel Mac minis for users who are being (effectively) held hostage by those vendors. And Apple has a long history in not updating the mini (in part because Intel themselves only released a compatible CPU every other generation), so doing so when they are actively phasing out the architecture...
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Apple kept the *same* Intel Mac mini well into 2023, even after the M2 Mac mini release and perhaps even after the introduction of the mythical M2 Pro Mac mini.

From a support point of view this is easier for Apple than releasing a new Intel model, and actually easier for the users who absolutely need it too. This is not ideal in terms of performance, but ideal from the IT support side of things, since if they sell a 2018 Intel model in 2023, it would be a perfect drop in replacement for any broken 2018 Intel models. No new problems to deal with, that could arise if Apple updated the motherboard and CPU. Also, keeping the 2018 model means keeping support for older versions of the OS as well. Many departments don't necessarily upgrade to later OS versions. There's the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy, and there's also the fact not all software - particularly custom software - will work on newer OSes.

IOW, I agree that the current Intel Mac mini will not be replaced with another Intel Mac mini, but there's nothing stopping Apple from continuing to sell the current Intel Mac mini for quite a while longer, even as new Apple Silicon models get introduced.

However, alternatively, Apple could just keep the Intel machines alive for a long time using the refurb store, at least in certain countries.
 
Nah. Apple bought PA Semi 7 years before Skylake was even released and it is very likely Apple had aspirations for Apple Silicon Macs, not just iDevice SoCs, even back then.
Actually that was because Intel turned down an opportunity to provide the processor for the iPhone back in 2006 and to back up that act up of stupid Intel sold off their ARM division (XScale) to Marvell Technology Group around the same time.

More over PA Semi chips were based on IBM's Power microprocessor architecture. So Apple was using ARM (from Samsung) 2 years before they bought PA Semi in 2008. PowerPC may be RISC but it isn't ARM. Apple had issues with Intel CPUs (not meeting Intel's own roadmap) and Skylake was what made them go to ARM totally.

You can try to spin it but it was Intel that pushed Apple to makign their own ARM CPU via a series of Dilbert's Boss level decisions.
 
Actually that was because Intel turned down an opportunity to provide the processor for the iPhone back in 2006 and to back up that act up of stupid Intel sold off their ARM division (XScale) to Marvell Technology Group around the same time.

More over PA Semi chips were based on IBM's Power microprocessor architecture. So Apple was using ARM (from Samsung) 2 years before they bought PA Semi in 2008. PowerPC may be RISC but it isn't ARM. Apple had issues with Intel CPUs (not meeting Intel's own roadmap) and Skylake was what made them go to ARM totally.

You can try to spin it but it was Intel that pushed Apple to makign their own ARM CPU via a series of Dilbert's Boss level decisions.
Apple didn't buy PA Semi for the technology. It bought PA Semi for its brains. Some of these guys had cut their teeth in ARM actually. In short, Apple bought a whole bunch of world renowned chip designers with extensive ARM experience.

IMO, Skylake was too late to have made that much of a difference in Apple's chip design aspirations. Skylake was just another major set of symptoms of something that had been happening with Intel for years prior, and Apple already knew that.
 
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On the flip side, one could argue it is the application and plug-in vendors who should be updating their product to work with Apple Silicon since they have had years to do so.

And Apple is still offering new Intel Mac minis for users who are being (effectively) held hostage by those vendors. And Apple has a long history in not updating the mini (in part because Intel themselves only released a compatible CPU every other generation), so doing so when they are actively phasing out the architecture...
You can argue, or you can relate to the real world. The fact is that making good audio software is very complex process, including pertaining to latency (you want stable low latency when working with audio). There is still a long way to go. Many ṕlugin companies are small operations, and updating everything to be native for Apple silicone is a VERY time-consuming and expensive process.

Apple could easily put a newer CPU into the current Intel Mac Mini if they wanted to, but they have chosen to continue selling and over-charging for a 5 year old Intel CPU. This would be easier to accept if Apple had updated the hardware in their Intel Mac Mini in 2020, but they instead just doubled the storage capacity and called it an "update".
 
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On the flip side, one could argue it is the application and plug-in vendors who should be updating their product to work with Apple Silicon since they have had years to do so.

And Apple is still offering new Intel Mac minis for users who are being (effectively) held hostage by those vendors. And Apple has a long history in not updating the mini (in part because Intel themselves only released a compatible CPU every other generation), so doing so when they are actively phasing out the architecture...
I agree. This cry for seemingly endless backwards compatibility reminds me of How to Enable 16-bit Application Support in Windows 10. Somewhere along the line people need to pressure software companies to stop sitting on their laurels and do updates rather than have modern OS deal with the digital equivalent of a punch card.

The idea that Apple would create an update to what for them is a dead architecture walking is crazy. The number of people who would get such hardware is likely not worth the development time and cost.
 
Frankly, I'm surprised (and delighted) that Apple is still selling and supporting the 2018 Mini at this point. I would certainly be interested in an updated Intel Mini, but just can't see it happening. Seems to me, the best we can hope for is Apple continuing to sell it into next year. I wouldn't bet any money on that actually happening though! ;)

Not much of a big deal for me, still quite happy with my 2018 Mini and can't really afford to upgrade anyway.
 
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I'll agree that the Mac Mini i7 2018/20 is still a decent machine, if it weren't for the very weak iGPU. One could always get an eGPU, but I suspect it's more money and hassle than it's worth. I guess the current i7 Mac Mini will have to do until M3 Mac Studio or Mac Mini..
 
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You can argue, or you can relate to the real world. The fact is that making good audio software is very complex process, including pertaining to latency (you want stable low latency when working with audio). There is still a long way to go. Many ṕlugin companies are small operations, and updating everything to be native for Apple silicone is a VERY time-consuming and expensive process.

If they want to stay in the Mac market, they honestly don't have a choice unless they expect their customers to try and keep decade-plus old hardware and operating systems operating to run their applications and plug-ins - and doing so with zero support from Apple.


Apple could easily put a newer CPU into the current Intel Mac Mini if they wanted to, but they have chosen to continue selling and over-charging for a 5 year old Intel CPU. This would be easier to accept if Apple had updated the hardware in their Intel Mac Mini in 2020, but they instead just doubled the storage capacity and called it an "update".

Sure they could. And they could have released a 2022 iMac 5K with 12th Generation Alder Lake for folks like myself who use our Intel iMacs as Windows workstations in our day jobs via Boot Camp. And they could have released a 2022 Mac Pro with Intel W-3300 series Xeons for all the people who have specialized PCIe cards for their workflows. And they could have kept a Skylake-powered Intel MacBook Pro (13" or 15") in the lineup when they announced the M1 Pro and M1 Max for folks running Intel-only specialized applications on the go.

But Apple is "done" with Intel and they almost certainly don't see any real benefit - especially long-term - to dedicating engineering resources (monetary and human) to keep updating those models. And what real incentive does Intel have to help Apple? Sure, they're still a customer, but a customer who went from buying tens of millions of CPUs and chipsets a year to one who might only be buying tens of thousands as the vast majority of Apple's Mac customer base continues to transition to Apple Silicon machines.

IMO, the only reason Apple is keeping the 2018 Mac mini around is because as the "catch-all Mac", its user base is so wide - people use it for everything and even if each niche is small, taken together, they still represent a large enough pool of buyers to warrant Apple keeping it around "as a product in our lineup". So it may very well stick around for a time as the last Intel Mac just to address the (continually) dwindling market of folks who must have a Mac, but also must have it on Intel x86 architecture. But as that market continues to shrink, Apple is going to maximize their return by keeping it on the current hardware and only when Intel stops making the CPUs - as happened with the 2017 iMac Pro - will it finally be sent "upstate to a farm".
 
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