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barkmonster

macrumors 68020
Dec 3, 2001
2,134
15
Lancashire
The good news is that this new iMac is not a threat to the Mini, Apple aren't going to kill it off in favour of this "budget" iMac

The 1.4Ghz dual core as a £899 all-in-one really will make PC people laugh at us and for good reason.

It's a pathetic spec regardless of the relative performance of the CPU compared with 2.4Ghz dual core i5 laptop CPUs. It's a joke. I would at this stage based on the specs of their laptops to have expected a spec bump to PCIe-based Fusion drives across the board with an entry level based on the previous one but with a HDD and lower-clocked CPU (but not 1.4Ghz).
 

Jambalaya

macrumors 6502a
Jun 21, 2013
715
161
UK
The 1.4Ghz dual core as a £899 all-in-one really will make PC people laugh at us and for good reason.

It's a pathetic spec regardless of the relative performance of the CPU compared with 2.4Ghz dual core i5 laptop CPUs. It's a joke. I would at this stage based on the specs of their laptops to have expected a spec bump to PCIe-based Fusion drives across the board with an entry level based on the previous one but with a HDD and lower-clocked CPU (but not 1.4Ghz).
I don't care what PC folk think, they don't have the Apple eco-system and this iMac reduces the entry price point for a desktop.
 

Micky Do

macrumors 68020
Aug 31, 2012
2,217
3,163
a South Pacific island
Well, the new "low cost" iMac is out ... is this the new Mac mini or should I say the Mac mini succesor?

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/18/apple-launches-new-cheaper-imac-1099/

I very much doubt it. More likely to be seen as an "entry level" iMac.

The Mini was initially promoted as an entry into the Mac and OS X. Maybe it still is for a few, but it has now found a niche of it's own for many who do not want an "all in one" for one reason or another.

I for one wanted a computer that is easily, occasionally transportable, but had no need for a portable back in 2005. That has not changed.

I am not even remotely interested in a glossy screened iMac in any configuration. Nor am I interest laptop, with a poky little screen. Neither do I have the need for the grunt of a Mac Pro.

A base level Mini works fine for me.

And the relatively puny, retrograde looking, specs of the new iMac must be seen as a sign that the days of needing to max out your computer to "future proof" it are gone. Now it is more a case of matching a computer to your requirements, or fantasies.

If a new Mac Mini was to come on to the market now it would only be tweaked a little. 600 and something days since the last update is neither here nor there. I reckon more substantial enhancements in the offing, will be seen when the time is ripe.

Here in Austria the Mac mini i5 and i7 now cost 30 euros less at the APPLE ONLINE STORE

i5 was 629€ now 599€
I7 was 829€ now 799€

Maybe Apple feels guilty charging you more. :rolleyes:
Still same price in US.

More likely to be associated with exchange rate movement.

Speaks in circles. Speaks in circles. Speaks in. Speaks. Circles. In. Circles. Mac Mini. New. Soon. Circles. Speaks. Soon. Almost certainly. Sheesh. Give me a break. What a thread. What spectators. What...

You have been cut plenty of slack, given mocking tone of your erudite posts. Some might find such an attitude a little offensive.
 
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G4er?

macrumors 6502a
Jan 6, 2009
639
30
Temple, TX
you all know.. that this thread is the most entertaining website (i think) on the internet. It beats ALL other websites in the whole wide world. The drama, the hope and despair. The anger, the joy, the disillusionment. The confusion and clarity. The acceptance of reality, and the gamble with uncertainty. This thread is a microcosm of our collective human consciousness and as a whole reveals more about the human spirit than any million dollar Hollywood movie or long drawn out book ever could.
Congratulations to us all, as we have unintentionally accomplished something far greater than what we could have possibly conceived…

Post on!

A soap opera?
"Like sand through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives"
 

philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
6,403
278
Howell, New Jersey
You have to love Apple expanding its iMac line to 5 models.

None of which I need or want.

Also holding the line on the 2012 mac mini prices at 599 for the base model here in the USA.

The only good news is we are at post 1959.

With this great move you can rest assured the new mini will be delayed until at least OCT.

I sometimes think they make bets on how long they can hold up a decent desktop/htpc model and still sell the older one well on amazon.

So far it is still doing well on amazon


number 11

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-...-Desktop/zgbs/pc/565098/ref=zg_bs_nav_pc_1_pc


and if you think about it with the new iMac release its sales are not going to drop a lot.

Capitalism , supply and demand at its finest.
 

Kentuckienne

macrumors regular
Sep 19, 2013
159
8
No>me<where
Hurry UP, Apple!

Gimme gimmie gimmie my MINI
Only 50 posts to go to hit the 2000 mark
Maybe the old mini is clinging to life, waiting to see that happen before it lets go? Add your 2 centavos so it can go in peace.

My thought: there are millions of PC users who have separate displays and computers. Many of them hate the Windows 8 interface. Or hate viruses. Or hate BSOD. Or hate supporting their friends who have these problems. Easy to switch allegiance when all you have to buy is one tiny, wafer thin little box that comes with a free OS and everything. C'mon, try it, you know you'll like it ...
 

Micky Do

macrumors 68020
Aug 31, 2012
2,217
3,163
a South Pacific island
Hi,

i work in an Apple Reseller and like many of you i'm waiting for the mini 2013 refresh.

From monday the two major Apple suppliers in Italy are suddenly and completely out of stock of minis. I know that this happen from time to time, but the timing is no coincidence.

Trust me, a new mini is coming next week, or at least we have solid evidence to believe it.

Come on Gabriele. Your stats suggest that you are still lurking. Let's see if you can hit the bull's-eye with post number 2,000
 

funaroma

macrumors newbie
Jan 29, 2014
16
0
I agree with you to some extent...it's still TWO year old tech at top dollar.

There IS one other way to think about this (as a guy that just paid $750 for the i7)…. perhaps it was brand new technology that was two years AHEAD of it's time when it came out. =) =)

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you all know.. that this thread is the most entertaining website (i think) on the internet. It beats ALL other websites in the whole wide world. The drama, the hope and despair. The anger, the joy, the disillusionment. The confusion and clarity. The acceptance of reality, and the gamble with uncertainty. This thread is a microcosm of our collective human consciousness and as a whole reveals more about the human spirit than any million dollar Hollywood movie or long drawn out book ever could.
Congratulations to us all, as we have unintentionally accomplished something far greater than what we could have possibly conceived…

Post on!

And I suppose we all need to bow once again and thank Father Jobs. =)
 

iFitzgerald

macrumors regular
Jul 20, 2011
198
27
Ponta Delgada, Azores, Portugal
It seems like it was just yesterday when I said the current specs should have a lower price and today we get a price drop. Wait...it was yesterday that I said that xD

Granted, when I ranted on the price I did forget to mention I'm from Portugal, so I failed to give context on the rant. Our entry level Mac Mini AFTER the update still costs $840 (that's $240 more).
Sure, it's European pricing, but the problem is that the monthly income in Portugal is one of the smallest in Europe (less than half when compared with "richer" countries).
 

Kentuckienne

macrumors regular
Sep 19, 2013
159
8
No>me<where
Sorry Otis

Sittin' in the morning sun
I'll be sittin' when the evening comes
Watching the posts scroll in
Then I watch them scroll away again, yeah

I'm sittin' by the drive in the bay
Watchin' the screen scroll away, ooh
I'm just sittin' by the drive in the bay
Wastin' time

I left my work unfinished
Headed for the Forum today
Cuz I've had nothing to live for
And look like nothing's gonna come my way

So, I'm just gon' sit by the drive in the bay
Watchin' the posts scroll away, ooh
I'm sittin' by the drive in the bay
Wastin' time

Looks like nothing's gonna change
Everything still remains the same
I can't do what ten people tell me to do
So I guess I'll remain the same, listen

Sittin' here refreshing the screen
And this Apple store is being so mean, listen
Two thousand times I pray
Just to buy a new mac mini today, now

I'm just gon' sit by the drive in the bay
Watchin' the posts scroll away, ooh
Sittin' by the drive in the bay
Wastin' time
 

philipma1957

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
6,403
278
Howell, New Jersey
sittin' in the morning sun
i'll be sittin' when the evening comes
watching the posts scroll in
then i watch them scroll away again, yeah

i'm sittin' by the drive in the bay
watchin' the screen scroll away, ooh
i'm just sittin' by the drive in the bay
wastin' time

i left my work unfinished
headed for the forum today
cuz i've had nothing to live for
and look like nothing's gonna come my way

so, i'm just gon' sit by the drive in the bay
watchin' the posts scroll away, ooh
i'm sittin' by the drive in the bay
wastin' time

looks like nothing's gonna change
everything still remains the same
i can't do what ten people tell me to do
so i guess i'll remain the same, listen

sittin' here refreshing the screen
and this apple store is being so mean, listen
two thousand times i pray
just to buy a new mac mini today, now

i'm just gon' sit by the drive in the bay
watchin' the posts scroll away, ooh
sittin' by the drive in the bay
wastin' time


go otis!!
 

squirrrl

macrumors 6502a
Sep 11, 2013
868
275
San Diego, CA
How much of Apple's desktop lineup is due to they trying to engage a different market ("lower end") and how much is Apple just trying to make the most profit off their desktop lines by taking advantage of the supplies on hand?

I suspect the latter. They must have a glut of certain chips or at least very good pricing on them that makes the profit margin substantial enough to release such a low power chip in their iMac line. Perhaps not as many people buying MBAs with this chip in it so they had to come up with something else to use up those chips? I suspect since the new MBA is coming out soonish with the retina display, that they want to get rid of their dual core i5 chips somehow before demand or old MBAs drops.

In this manner, I think that we are really seeing the hand of Tim Cook driving Apple since he is supposed to be the supply chain genius at Apple. Much more pragmatic in some cases than Steve Jobs who was more interested in design and function than in supply chain issues.
 

Kentuckienne

macrumors regular
Sep 19, 2013
159
8
No>me<where
we have failed to offer up the 2000 posts. it is the weight of our collective longing that will tip the balance and drop the mini into being. Father Steve is watching us from beyond and screaming at all the angels/devils to get it to us.
 

imanidiot

macrumors 6502a
May 1, 2011
735
592
Denver, CO
Cheaper iMac, no new Mac-mini.??
I, personally, was hoping for some better iMac news, because mine is almost four years old and I'm starting to get a little nervous.
For the sake of those of you who actually do need/want a NEW Mac Mini, I feel your pain, and will be rooting for you.
On the bright side, only a few more posts to go! Until, um, we can then set our collective sights on 3k! Life is good?
 

chelch

macrumors regular
Dec 14, 2012
105
0
How much of Apple's desktop lineup is due to they trying to engage a different market ("lower end") and how much is Apple just trying to make the most profit off their desktop lines by taking advantage of the supplies on hand?

I suspect the latter. They must have a glut of certain chips or at least very good pricing on them that makes the profit margin substantial enough to release such a low power chip in their iMac line. Perhaps not as many people buying MBAs with this chip in it so they had to come up with something else to use up those chips? I suspect since the new MBA is coming out soonish with the retina display, that they want to get rid of their dual core i5 chips somehow before demand or old MBAs drops.

In this manner, I think that we are really seeing the hand of Tim Cook driving Apple since he is supposed to be the supply chain genius at Apple. Much more pragmatic in some cases than Steve Jobs who was more interested in design and function than in supply chain issues.

I'm glad someone else came to this conclusion too. It makes no sense to use the i5-4260U unless they ordered way too many for the MBA refresh and aren't selling enough. The iMac has had i3 versions for years. A new i3 line actually would have been cheaper and faster!

This looks like they panicked.
 
How much of Apple's desktop lineup is due to they trying to engage a different market ("lower end") and how much is Apple just trying to make the most profit off their desktop lines by taking advantage of the supplies on hand?

I suspect the latter. They must have a glut of certain chips or at least very good pricing on them that makes the profit margin substantial enough to release such a low power chip in their iMac line. Perhaps not as many people buying MBAs with this chip in it so they had to come up with something else to use up those chips? I suspect since the new MBA is coming out soonish with the retina display, that they want to get rid of their dual core i5 chips somehow before demand or old MBAs drops.

In this manner, I think that we are really seeing the hand of Tim Cook driving Apple since he is supposed to be the supply chain genius at Apple. Much more pragmatic in some cases than Steve Jobs who was more interested in design and function than in supply chain issues.

This sounds quite plausible. On to 2000! I'm hoping the gods of mini won't require 3000, but if so we can do it sitting by the dock in the bay.
 

MRrainer

macrumors 68000
Aug 8, 2008
1,535
1,117
Zurich, Switzerland
In the Geebbench-score-department, my 2.3GHz i7 Mini is a bit faster than the "new" iMac.
That and I can replace RAM and SSD myself. And I can buy a 27" or 30" display later this year, when the 4K hype has hopefully further eroded the prices of those.
The HD5000 doesn't do 4K, either. AFAIK.
OK, it was a bit expensive, even if I got it for the equivalent of 780 USD.
But the words "price-sensitive" and "Apple customer" never went together very well anyway...
 

barkmonster

macrumors 68020
Dec 3, 2001
2,134
15
Lancashire
I don't care what PC folk think, they don't have the Apple eco-system and this iMac reduces the entry price point for a desktop.

The cheapest Mac Mini at nearly half the price is faster. They're not even competing with themselves with this system. You could manipulate the cost of a display, keyboard and mouse to "attempt" to justify it but you would fail miserably as opinions tend to when challenged by facts.
 
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