There's no conjecture as we have the published specifications on the each models thickness. People keep stating they're thicker when then reality is they're the same (14") or a mere 1.2mm (16") thicker (which, IMO, is imperceptible). It's my opinion making statements of "they're thicker" based on the feet is stretching it, that's not hostility just expressing my opinion.
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The new MBPs is literally everything I wanted
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It appears based on some renderings they were doing away with the wedge design. That said, I’d also love for them to bring back the MacBook 12” design with M2. The performance and power gains would be tremendous in such a light weight machine. I still have my Intel version and have been waiting to trade it in until they do precisely that ?
Reread my post. I didn't say "they're thicker" based on the feet. I've even said that I don't even perceive them as thicker. What I said is that some people might perceive them as thicker based on what looks to be thicker feet. I agree that the thickness of the machine omitting the feet is negligibly thicker for the 16", but perceptibility is subjective --- I gave a conjecture for why some people might perceive it to be thicker, such as the ratio of width:height of the actual case (not including feet) being higher.
So far you're the only one (at least that I've seen) who has claimed they're perceptively thicker based on the feet. You're really stretching this foot thing by applying it to others.
We have a 2015 MacBook 12" as well, so are in kind of the same position. I like the weight and slim profile. If we went to an Apple store now (or as soon as they have these new models on display) and looked at a new Air, side-by-side with one of the new Pro models, I think the display and possibly other features would make it difficult for us to get an Air today.
But the cost is so much more . . .
It's nice to speculate on the different choices. When the time comes to actually buy one, I don't know what my decision will be.
I've seen many people talk about how thick the new machines look. I've seen many people talk about how the thickness is minimally different. I haven't seen a lot of people talk about where the thickness measurement comes from, so I pointed to a fact (that the feet are not included) as a possible reason for the perceived difference. I've never claimed to do a statistical analysis of how many people are perceiving a difference in thickness due to feet.
This is the tiniest, tiniest, tiniest thing: but I think the Touch ID sensor on the current MBA/M1 Pros looks so much better than the one on these new ones/iMac keyboards...they look kinda cheap with the circle in the square. I prefer the smooth glass square.
I think the reason people are talking about how thick the new machines look is because they read they are thicker. That's what I thought until I was checking out the specs. Thus leading to my initial comment about thickness.I've seen many people talk about how thick the new machines look. I've seen many people talk about how the thickness is minimally different. I haven't seen a lot of people talk about where the thickness measurement comes from, so I pointed to a fact (that the feet are not included) as a possible reason for the perceived difference. I've never claimed to do a statistical analysis of how many people are perceiving a difference in thickness due to feet.
That said is your reason a possible reason? Certainly, though I don't think it likely thus my characterization of it stretching.
Possibly, although I haven't read any posts from users saying they think it's thicker simply because they read that it's thicker.
I think it's more likely that there's some other reason other than perception based on reading that they're thicker, such as a higher width:height ratio.
Edit: Then again, off-the-cuff math isn't my strong suit. Doing the calculation, the width:height ratio is actually smaller with the new 16" (~22.01 vs. ~21.23) ?♂️
The rumor mill was spot on this time around, probably because it was based on stolen documents as opposed to inside leaks (the latter always subject to intentionally false “leaks”). I actually like the wedge design since it is a bit more comfortable typing on the sloping case, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see essentially a smaller version of the 14” Pro case design.
It's a pretty damn fine piece of stonking kit. Apple really outdid themselves.
In saying that, it's not perfect!
1. too thick and heavy
2. UGLY
3. No USB A
4. No FaceID (and keep TouchID)
5. Only two colors.
I know that thinner and lighter means hotter and less battery, but I'm just sayin'!
Ugly doesn't really matter, but it's so unApple like.
No USB A isn't a big problem, but my work still uses printers with USB A, so I have to carry around my own printer to USB C cable to the various locations. This is a me problem.
FaceID would have been sweet, but it's not overly important with TouchID. And if they dumped TouchID for FaceID it would be a disaster in our masked up world.
As for colors, well, it'd be nice to a have a metallic racing green MBP! Haha.
All small piddling things in the grand scheme of the new machines. On the surface and just thinking about it, I'm giving Apple a 9.8/10 on this release. This wasn't an iterative decent phone/watch release. This was outta this world!
Well done Apple. We are quick to jump on when they stuff up, but gotta give em the plaudits when they reach for the stars.
In saying that, it's not perfect!
1. too thick and heavy
2. UGLY
3. No USB A
4. No FaceID (and keep TouchID)
5. Only two colors.
I know that thinner and lighter means hotter and less battery, but I'm just sayin'!
Ugly doesn't really matter, but it's so unApple like.
No USB A isn't a big problem, but my work still uses printers with USB A, so I have to carry around my own printer to USB C cable to the various locations. This is a me problem.
FaceID would have been sweet, but it's not overly important with TouchID. And if they dumped TouchID for FaceID it would be a disaster in our masked up world.
As for colors, well, it'd be nice to a have a metallic racing green MBP! Haha.
All small piddling things in the grand scheme of the new machines. On the surface and just thinking about it, I'm giving Apple a 9.8/10 on this release. This wasn't an iterative decent phone/watch release. This was outta this world!
Well done Apple. We are quick to jump on when they stuff up, but gotta give em the plaudits when they reach for the stars.
Or the fact that the 16" is actually thicker (ignoring feet). Thus someone stating it's thicker is correct in doing so and therefore it would not be unreasonable for someone reading that fact to continue stating it. This whole thicker by feet thing is really stretching it given more reasonable explanations.
0.06 cm thicker is perceptively negligible. For people to be complaining this much that it's so much thicker encourages the researcher in me to look for reasons why. I'm sorry to have offended you so much by offering a possible, though potentially incorrect reason. I've yet to see more reasonable explanations given for perceived thickness, though ?♂️
The menu bar is like 2.5 times thicker, just so it can line up with the notch.
You can auto-hide the menu bar the same as the dock. There is no reason for it to be there all the time and you get extra screen real estate.
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1) I agree that it would be nice to have a thinner and lighter option with the M1 Pro.
2) Disagree here. Apple‘s materials prominently display the “feet” but that won’t be noticeable when it’s on a desk. It’s definitely better than the ”platform” that the latest Surface Pro Studio sits on.
3) USB-A is never coming back.
4) I’m guessing FaceID would require a thicker top case, at least until Apple can shrink the module.
5) True, but that’s always been the case with the MacBook Pro. Apparently Apple doesn’t think Gold/Rose Gold looks “professional.”
I can't argue that the new performance specs, insane processor specs, promotion, back to reasonable variety of ports, MagSafe charger and all the rest are all really welcome improvements. However, I do think the edge profile is ugly as compared to my i9 16" MBP with the slightly upswept bottom line. Regardless, I planned to keep my current 16" for at least 2-3 more years and that will stay my plan for the foreseeable future.
Oh yeah, I do like the Touch Bar as well.
Oh yeah, I do like the Touch Bar as well.
You can auto-hide the menu bar the same as the dock. There is no reason for it to be there all the time and you get extra screen real estate.
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I agree it's negligible (stated as much in my first post on this subject). However I think it's more reasonable to assume people are carrying the "it's thicker" mantra not because of the feet but because it (at least the 16" model) is thicker and therefore when someone reads that it's thicker they assume what they're reading is correct (which it is). They just may not realize that it's not really perceptible.
We might agree more than disagree, but I won't assume that.
My line of conversation has never been directed at the fact of the negligible difference in thickness, but entirely at the claimed perception.
This is a great contender for why many might perceive it as significantly thicker.
I was surprised to find that the new MBP's are more or less the same thickness as the old ones because, yes, it does certainly appear thicker.
Prompted by my discussion with @m1mavrerick, I did a screen grab of Apple's renders of the old vs. new 16" MBPs and cropped to align the top of the cases and cut off the feet from the newer model.
To me, the flatter edge + feet seems to add to the thickness illusion.
Not at all bold prediction: when the first several months of purchase frenzy and backlogged orders is cleared, and esp end-year purchases and gifts, the Mini will get updated - probably not before about March.