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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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I've had a MBPro for the past 2 years and honestly don't know why I didn't get one sooner, but it looks like M'Soft is upping their game with the new Surface Book. It'll be interesting to see what Apple counters with.
Well based on the SurfaceBook being the same weight as a rMBP but with dedicated graphics and longer battery, at the very least, the rMBP needs to become lighter, hopefully around the MacBook Air 13 mark of 1.35KG.
I do hate the forced proprietary lock-in that Apple saddle's us with. It's not enough to make me give up a brand I've used for decades, but rather it's just a constant reminder of Apple's arrogance and greed. Zolt is but one of several stellar innovations that we will likely continue to be kept from enjoying. After all it Apple didn't create it, so they can brag and boast about their brilliance, then they will ignore it.
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I like choice B better since this leaves the upgradability option for the user who doesn't want to replace the laptop that user mistakenly bought and would want to upgrade the parts later. I own a non-Retina 2012 Macbook Pro 15 i7 and I'm happy that I can have a 1TB Seagate Hybrid for now but I can upgrade to a Samsung 850 Pro 1TB or 2TB SSD for later.
Unfortunately, the only choice is the 2012 13" non-retina Pro. The 2012 non-retina was the last of the upgradability line and 2011 was the last year that the 17" was offered with a large matte screen. I wish Apple would allow the 15" and 17" non-retina in their line up as a cost-effective option for the user who want to choose when and where to upgrade their laptop.
If Apple was smart, they would bring back and upgrade the 15" and 17" matte anti-glare non-retina to current and future specifications. However, they want to push the boundaries of making the thinnest Macbook Pro that they can make.
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Yeah thats the way I went. I like my options. Most Retina Macbook People seem not to care about ports or anything like that, so shrinking it down to something similar to what the Air is now would work for them, leaving Apple to use a form factor similar to the Non Retina Pro for the others. They could make a no compromise Macbook Pro (well besides in weight) by upgrading it tot the latest processors, upgrading the screen to Retina amongst other things.
Sadly I doubt it will happen :'(
256GB SSD is too small, why not make 512GB standard? Personally, I would make 1TB standard mainly because you never know that person will fill up that 512GB rather quickly.
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I love my ports and I can feel like I made a better investment than feeling like I want to trade it in for an old one that's less powerful but has more ports. Right now, the old MBPs are selling more because of upgradability options. Most of my friends have Retina MBPs but they're unable to unlock the true potential of their Mac. I have a gaming PC laptop that I use for editing and having a lot of ports helps me with my work. The gaming laptop is nearly thin as the MBPr but I can still upgrade.
I use my 2012 non-retina Macbook Pro 15 i7 for 720p editing which is better for me as I'm afraid to push it to 1080p, but I use external drives to takeoff the wear and tear of my internal hybrid drive.
A redesign is on the cards obviously. As for what it will look like, check out the Dell XPS range.
Their 13 XPS is awesome and blows the MacBook Pro 13 out of the water, its light, powerful, with a 13inch 3k IPS screen. The new Macbook Pro 13 or MacAir look so behind the times now.
Also check out the Dell 15 XPS just launched, its amazing with a 4k IPS 15" screen in a body size equivelent to a 14" ultra thin laptop and has Thunderbolt 3 which includes USB C or 3.1.
Unusually this is the Macbook Pro competitor out before Apple can get its s4it together.
Had I not seen the the brand new Dell XPS15 I would have said Apple will launch a new Macbook Pro in March April of next year. But if Dell can do it now I would expect Apple to be ready also.
I love Apple Laptops but cannot bring myself to buy into their current model when competitors are outdoing them even now.
And cheaper.
Lastly, I also hope they keep the magsafe option. That and the fact the power supply and lead take up so little space were a major factor in me buying apple in the first place.
Cheers.
I'm still on a MacBook Pro mid-2010.
I sometimes have to check myself that I'm running a 5 year-old+ machine... It's a nice feeling! I have it connected to a Dell 2560x1440 LED monitor and the graphics still work incredibly.
I have upgraded it though.. I have an SSD and 10GB RAM which gives the machine a new lease of life. El Capitan is amazingly fuel efficient and quick. Yosemite was also an excellent upgrade - my machine was actually faster after the new operating system...
I'm using the 2010 for development work (atom.io and a bit of XCode). But I'm finding it's sluggish now that I started using meteor... I also find my XCode compile times are slower compared to a colleague's i7 model...
I am DYING for the new MacBook Pro redesign!!!
I think it will be inspired by the MacBook. A wonderful device.
I expect to see the same external size, but thinner, and a thinned bezel:
13" screen becomes 14"
15" screen becomes 16"
I expect the new MacBook Pro will be available in a few different colours (though maybe not the pink and gold colours...)
I expect to see two (maybe three) USB-C ports.
I expect the MacBook Air will be phased out completely - MacBook and MacBook Pro will be the new paradigm.
What I would LOVE to see (though not optimistic):
- detachable screen (i.e. an iPad)
- huge internal volume dedicated to the battery (12 hours of not just web browsing, but development work too)
MacBook Pro is an amazing machine. It's a developer's ideal machine (for me anyway). It's nice to look at, fast, well designed, high performance and reliable.
I would love to see it released in November... I guess it will be Q1 2016. I'm waiting patiently...
The March CPU + force touch upgrade was a marginal upgrade. A new design is overdue.
I think Apple may be a little (just a little) bit more conservative with the MacBook Pro compared to other products. It's a mission critical developer device. It needs to be right. A bad MacBook Pro would upset developers and that could cause huge trouble.
I sometimes have to check myself that I'm running a 5 year-old+ machine... It's a nice feeling! I have it connected to a Dell 2560x1440 LED monitor and the graphics still work incredibly.
I have upgraded it though.. I have an SSD and 10GB RAM which gives the machine a new lease of life. El Capitan is amazingly fuel efficient and quick. Yosemite was also an excellent upgrade - my machine was actually faster after the new operating system...
I'm using the 2010 for development work (atom.io and a bit of XCode). But I'm finding it's sluggish now that I started using meteor... I also find my XCode compile times are slower compared to a colleague's i7 model...
I am DYING for the new MacBook Pro redesign!!!
I think it will be inspired by the MacBook. A wonderful device.
I expect to see the same external size, but thinner, and a thinned bezel:
13" screen becomes 14"
15" screen becomes 16"
I expect the new MacBook Pro will be available in a few different colours (though maybe not the pink and gold colours...)
I expect to see two (maybe three) USB-C ports.
I expect the MacBook Air will be phased out completely - MacBook and MacBook Pro will be the new paradigm.
What I would LOVE to see (though not optimistic):
- detachable screen (i.e. an iPad)
- huge internal volume dedicated to the battery (12 hours of not just web browsing, but development work too)
MacBook Pro is an amazing machine. It's a developer's ideal machine (for me anyway). It's nice to look at, fast, well designed, high performance and reliable.
I would love to see it released in November... I guess it will be Q1 2016. I'm waiting patiently...
The March CPU + force touch upgrade was a marginal upgrade. A new design is overdue.
I think Apple may be a little (just a little) bit more conservative with the MacBook Pro compared to other products. It's a mission critical developer device. It needs to be right. A bad MacBook Pro would upset developers and that could cause huge trouble.
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I am praying for a return of 17inch macbook pro, I know in vain.
This is what new MacBook pros will look like.
Very similar to before.....but reduced in size.
13inch will have a tiny bezel, reducing footprint to that of 11 Mac air, but with more power than macbook 12inch (with a couple of usb 3.0 ports, hdmi, and one thunderbolt 3 port, which includes usb 3.1 and 2 4k video outputs and a power supply. Port replica extra (check out the Dell XPS 13, it will be almost exactly that).
The 15.4 in will be exactly the same as the Dell xps 15, 15.4inch with tiny bezel reducing footprint and also thinner, with more ports than 13 but one thunderbolt 3 port also. It definitely won't be a game changer though. Just a slightly quicker and more compact upgrade.
I hope for a more game changing revision though.
Cheers.
Eh, USB 3.x over USB-C connector, sure. HDMI, thunderbolt, port replicas? Why? There's no way Apple will suddenly change the direction they are going. A sound design decision was made years ago. HDMI et al. do not form a part of Apple's vision.
Apple designers do not look to Dell for any inspiration whatsoever. The XPS? It's not a comparable machine. It's like trying to compare a Norman Foster designed building to a generic office tower that you'd see in any city. Both are buildings, but the outcome, mindset and culture is rather different.
I think the next MacBook Pro will be a significant upgrade while maintaining continuity with previous designs. I can't see it being "just a slightly quicker and more compact upgrade". We've had enough of these already.
I think the air will retire gracefully.
The first gen air was a beautiful machine. A massive step forward for design, look and feel. Subsequent devices were excellent too. The battery life on the air is still amazing.
I think the next MBP won't be tapered like the air. It will be more like the current one only thinner and with a larger screen size in the same case. USB-C centric.
I wonder will the 3.5mm jack be removed? It's remarkable that it's lasted 15 years into the 21st century.
Hi guys I´ve been reading your posts for a few days and just decided to share my thoughts! (and wishes)
Oppenheim I totally agree with you! Just take the example of macbook retina vs macbook air 11 I think they could easily go 14 inch and 16 inch using the current 13 / 15 chassis just with smaller bezels, color options, the new keyboard design (but with better key travel), usb-c / thunderbolt 3, etc... maybe even smaller / lighter chassis. The 14 would be the perfect option for those who hesitates between screen size / portability and the 16 would attract a lot of people who need bigger screen or just miss the 17 inch option.
About releases dates... the rMBP 13/14 could easily launch this year. Intel has launched 2 of the 3 processor options with the i5-6267U and i5-6287U (Iris Pro 550) and the 3rd one, the i7-6567U it is announced and set for Q3 2015 release. Also Apple need something to fight the Surface Book. About the rMBP 15/16... why would they wait? Just use the i7-6700HQ - i7 6820HQ - i7 6920HQ CPUs (already launched) and give all models a dGPU: GT 940 - GTX 950 - GTX 960 and fight the XPS 15 sales to.
Oppenheim I totally agree with you! Just take the example of macbook retina vs macbook air 11 I think they could easily go 14 inch and 16 inch using the current 13 / 15 chassis just with smaller bezels, color options, the new keyboard design (but with better key travel), usb-c / thunderbolt 3, etc... maybe even smaller / lighter chassis. The 14 would be the perfect option for those who hesitates between screen size / portability and the 16 would attract a lot of people who need bigger screen or just miss the 17 inch option.
About releases dates... the rMBP 13/14 could easily launch this year. Intel has launched 2 of the 3 processor options with the i5-6267U and i5-6287U (Iris Pro 550) and the 3rd one, the i7-6567U it is announced and set for Q3 2015 release. Also Apple need something to fight the Surface Book. About the rMBP 15/16... why would they wait? Just use the i7-6700HQ - i7 6820HQ - i7 6920HQ CPUs (already launched) and give all models a dGPU: GT 940 - GTX 950 - GTX 960 and fight the XPS 15 sales to.
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Dell hit the nail on the head with the new XPS 15 --Skylake quad-core CPU, Geforce GTX 960 with 2GB DDR4 memory, 256GB/512GB/1TB NVMe PCIe SSD, and 15.6" Retina [nearly] bezel-less display in a 14" notebook form factor, at under 4 lbs. Did I mention the 17 hours of battery life?
Hopefully, Apple will give us something similar, albeit with a better keyboard.
Hopefully, Apple will give us something similar, albeit with a better keyboard.
So what. Why are you flaming the thread with Dell photos?
If I want a PC, I'll consider a Dell. This is an Apple forum and we're discussing the next MBP.
Why are we even talking about these machines here?
Apple gives you design detail, unified software/hardware, performance, reliability and beauty. If you want to work in a building designed by the world's top architects, buy an Apple. If you don't care (for whatever reason), go and work in a generic tower on the subway line outside the city and work on your little PC all day.
I cannot recommend Dell to anyone. I had a very bad corporate purchasing experience with them. I wanted a "solution", I got a crock of sh*t. Should have bought an IBM.
If I want a PC, I'll consider a Dell. This is an Apple forum and we're discussing the next MBP.
Why are we even talking about these machines here?
Apple gives you design detail, unified software/hardware, performance, reliability and beauty. If you want to work in a building designed by the world's top architects, buy an Apple. If you don't care (for whatever reason), go and work in a generic tower on the subway line outside the city and work on your little PC all day.
I cannot recommend Dell to anyone. I had a very bad corporate purchasing experience with them. I wanted a "solution", I got a crock of sh*t. Should have bought an IBM.
Relax, it is an Apple related forum, but that does not mean you cannot talk about competition / competitors.
I too share your view about Dell, but that does not mean they did not make a nice product (quality wise the XPS line seems to be a tad superior to their usual offering) and people are just pointing out that while Apple was once the leader in new design, this year they are lacking a bit.
I too feel the bezel in my 2015 13" rMBP is a bit "outdated" and the XPS 13" on paper is much better (again not specs or OS wise ), all in all i guess people are showing more what they feel Apple should do, I am reu that people that really like Macs do so for the Hardware / software integration, there's no point about getting mad about a competitor.
Say what? You'd consider a Dell, but cannot recomment it because you had a bad experience? Make sense! Hi hi
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I think the real problem is OS X. Since Snow Leopard, they haven't come up with anything
remotely modern or improved. All they have done is making it look more and more
like their phone operating system. Dumbed down on every level.
How can we expect Apple to release something like Surface Book when their
operating system doesn't support touch? It doesn't even support the proper scaling!
Are they gonna make another iOS based useless device and call it "Pro"?
iPad Pro, seriously? Look at the Surface devices, they can run real Photoshop,
not Photoshop "express", "mix" or whatever.
I stopped waiting and after 2 decades or so I preordered a shiny new Surface Book.
Feels strangely liberating...
remotely modern or improved. All they have done is making it look more and more
like their phone operating system. Dumbed down on every level.
How can we expect Apple to release something like Surface Book when their
operating system doesn't support touch? It doesn't even support the proper scaling!
Are they gonna make another iOS based useless device and call it "Pro"?
iPad Pro, seriously? Look at the Surface devices, they can run real Photoshop,
not Photoshop "express", "mix" or whatever.
I stopped waiting and after 2 decades or so I preordered a shiny new Surface Book.
Feels strangely liberating...
Do you think it would be worth the extra cost of a touch screen in a rMBP? Sooner or later it would come, but I find more necesary / interesting other things like real hardware optimization (to stop the obsolescence), full support from developers to metal / vulkan, universal APPs between OS X an iOS, biometric support, simpler ways of doing basic task like split-screen, Siri, etc... and other things MS has done really well with W10. But touch? It´s something nice, sure, but I don´t find it decisive even though I draw a lot at my work.
I was considering to buy the next MBP but I got a doubt now: Does OS X Yosemite / El capitan scale that bad?
I think Microsoft screwed up some things with the Surfaces. Especially not adding Thunderbolt 3 and 10Gbps USB 3.1 is a total mistake. These two would have given the machine a lot more uses. External GPUs and Thunderbolt docks to mention a few.
But I guess many people are willing to just buy the new model when the old one gets too slow.
With that said, I have to admit that if I did not dislike Windows, this might be my next machine as well
The normal Surfaces still look awkward to me, too heavy to be a tablet and not really a laptop (no "lapability"), but this one based on the info I've heard is really light without the keyboard part, and with it behaves exactly like a laptop.
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