I am not sure what problems he is referring to, but for me the only scaling problems I've ever had is running Windows 8 (on my rMBP). Dunno if Windows 10 fixed them, but I doubt it cause there were a lot!
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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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I am not sure what problems he is referring to, but for me the only scaling problems I've ever had is running Windows 8 (on my rMBP). Dunno if Windows 10 fixed them, but I doubt it cause there were a lot!
Thank you, I was planning to run both OS and that´s what I´ve heard, better scaling on OS X than W8.1.
I´m sorry for the offtopic.
Same here, apparently having more issue with windows scaling than OS X, will try Windows 10 soon on my Mac, hopefully things will be fixed.
Take a chill pill Oppenheim.
This is a Macbook Pro redesign thread where we discuss what we think the new Macbook Pro will be like. We do care, which is why we are hunched over our keyboards on our 3 year old Mac Airs or Macbook Pros hoping the new release will be soon so we don't have to consider buying Dells which are now far superior, specs wise at least.
"Why are are talking about these machines here?"
Because the Dell XPS line is the traditional competitor to the Macbook Pro, usually a carbon copy of similar Spec if not identical components laid out in the same form factor, released after the Macbook Pro its aimed at.
What 15.4 inch Laptop is purely carved from a single block of aluminium, with usb 3.1/C, Thunderbolt 3, hdmi 2.0, usb 3.0, SSD only, state of art graphics, and by FAR the smallest form factor and lightest weight for a 15.4" ???
Its Not Apple, its Dell (unfortunately), and by some margin.
IT is the Game changer Apple should have released last month,and as such is worthy of our consideration.
I hope it lasts no longer than a week or 2 when I hope Apple announce a revised Macbook Pro this month.
Whenever they finally get around to it, the new Macbook Pro imho will use the same 15.4" size screen, identical processors, identical motherboard that facilitates a similar smaller footprint just like the Dell XPS 15 and 13, and other identical components, and should have the similar if not identical no of ports and sockets.
Other than build quality which is Apple tour de force, I cannot see how Apple can improve on the competition, though I look forward to seeing it, and hopefully my expectations listed above will be surpassed.
Although I can't see how, I look forward to the new reveal.
Cheers.
What I mean by scaling is the independent font size of the menus.
Honestly I don't know if that has been fixed in El Capitan, but it was just a joke
for such a long time to setup a super high resolution and not being able to read the menus, being so small.
Regarding the "Dell" side discussion. It's like a diode. You can go from Dell to Apple, but it's very rare to go the other way. Dell are focussed on exposing all the techy geeky stuff to their salatious bot belly fan base. Apple do tech geek very well too, but with lots more in-house innovation wrapped up in beautiful unified design from the world's greatest designers and creative thinkers.
Yosemite made my 5 year-old+ machine noticeably faster. My aging battery got a new lease of life too. El Cap an even further improvement. The subtle design improvements are inspirational. It makes you want to write better software. There's not much difference between a painting painted by a good artist and a maestro. But it's the difference that counts. A difference that people have devoted their entire professional careers to. A difference that people will pay a huge premium for.
I couldn't agree more, which is why I wait for the the new MacBook. Its just dell have released its macbook pro rival before Apple can release their product, and it's a good one. I for the reasons mentioned earlier I expect the Apple MacBook pro to more than match the specs, and have have a sprinkle of Apple magic and cachet that makes me want spend a shed load of money.
If not I think I will be happy with the Dell cos. Or a Dell m4800 workstation laptop (updated to 6th gen of course ) as it actually is a "professional laptop".
Let's see.
Cheers.
I think Apple will be pulling the trigger soon.
Reports of build up of refurb'd models: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-skylake-mbp-thread.1661246/page-70#post-22085542
2008 - first unibody release
2012 - next unibody release (thinner + retina display)
2016 - next unibody release (thinner again + bezel shrink + USB-C)
I think they'll scrap MagSafe. I predict there'll be x3 USB-C on the new 16" model and x2 USB-C on the new 14" model. I also suspect they might scrap the 20 year-old+ trusty 3.5mm headphone jack in favour of BlueTooth...
There may be a MagSafe-type connector/adapter with magnets that pulls away from the USB-C port? Though laptops are so light nowadays, I wonder would the magnet strength need to be redesigned? Also, aren't we using our power adapters far less nowadays? MagSafe becoming increasingly unnecessary?
Reports of build up of refurb'd models: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-skylake-mbp-thread.1661246/page-70#post-22085542
2008 - first unibody release
2012 - next unibody release (thinner + retina display)
2016 - next unibody release (thinner again + bezel shrink + USB-C)
I think they'll scrap MagSafe. I predict there'll be x3 USB-C on the new 16" model and x2 USB-C on the new 14" model. I also suspect they might scrap the 20 year-old+ trusty 3.5mm headphone jack in favour of BlueTooth...
There may be a MagSafe-type connector/adapter with magnets that pulls away from the USB-C port? Though laptops are so light nowadays, I wonder would the magnet strength need to be redesigned? Also, aren't we using our power adapters far less nowadays? MagSafe becoming increasingly unnecessary?
People might be returning their macbook pros when they laid eyes on the new dell xps 15 and workstations precision laptops. Those are very impressive with borderless screens and usb c with thunderbolt 3. The new 21inch iMac has Neither usb c nor thunderbolt 3.
Basically the MacBook Pro is behind the Dell's and Asus currently. I hope apple have something special up their sleeve, because every other manufacture seems to.
I am being a bit tongue in cheek. But just as the first macbook air made every other small laptop suddenly obsolete, Dell's latest XPS 15 and 13 range have made the MacBook pro's (as excellent as they are ) appear in real need of a decent refresh. Time doesn't stand still.
While the MacBook pros have unbeatable build quality, full of top spec components put together so well and in harmony with the OS, generic manufacturers have released high quality laptops with superior screens, usb c, thunderbolt, 4k, ddr4, nvidia graphics, small form factor,.etc, skylake processors, etc.
I bought my Macbook air despite the OS IN 2011, and was very pleasantly surprised and what it could do. But like most people who need to use it for work they will boot up with Windows boot camp also.
C'mon apple, launch your dell clones so I can buy a top spec laptop. My credit card is burning a hole in my pocket.
While the MacBook pros have unbeatable build quality, full of top spec components put together so well and in harmony with the OS, generic manufacturers have released high quality laptops with superior screens, usb c, thunderbolt, 4k, ddr4, nvidia graphics, small form factor,.etc, skylake processors, etc.
I bought my Macbook air despite the OS IN 2011, and was very pleasantly surprised and what it could do. But like most people who need to use it for work they will boot up with Windows boot camp also.
C'mon apple, launch your dell clones so I can buy a top spec laptop. My credit card is burning a hole in my pocket.
Talk to Intel. Apple hasn't released Macbook Pros yet because the chips that Intel has produced aren't good enough for the Macbook Pro. The Skylake processors that Dell is using don't have the integrated graphics that Apple wants.
So you are talking about the lower end version I presume as the higher version will use amd graphics.
Anyway whatever the reason it's competitors currently.have the edge.and if Apple have.a.nice macbook pro waiting in the wings it should say something so I don't have to buy a bloody dell, no matter how nice it is.
Hi there, my two cents: I think it´s more an Apple call than a Intel one.
The macbook pro 13 has 3 CPU options, two i5 and one i7. Intel have already launch the skylake equivalent of both i5. The i7 is set to for Q3 2015 so it will be available soon, plus Apple could have spent some money for getting the first batch earlier like other times.
The macbook pro 15 has options too. There is the i7-6700HQ, i7 6820HQ and i7 6920HQ and they are very powerfull processors. It is true, they don´t have an Iris Pro, but, I think a +2000$ 15 inch laptop in 2015-16, must have a dGPU in all its version. That way it won´t be a problem.
PD. Sorry for my english.
Intel has not released 28w processors suitable for a 13" Macbook Pro. If you want weaker processors, then sure, you could opt for those.
As for the 15", Apple likes to bolster battery life and reduce heat by using automated graphics switching. They're of course going to want a better integrated chip so that the switch is invisible to the end-user.
When it comes down to it, Apple hasn't refreshed the Macbook Pro because the parts aren't available. Apple will update as soon as they are available.
But if you want to compromise and buy a Dell, have at it.
Just ordered a Macbook Pro 2015 with dGPU, and the Dell didn't tempt me, but made me cautious. I may admit that the recent hike in price, and buying the computer from a third party retailer at a good price, made the decision easy. Still I dream of something along the line of the experience I have on my Macbook. I don't hesitate to bring it with me, and it does everything except...being efficient on heavy tasks.
The problem with usb c is it's infancy and lack of options to connect devices to it. The computers electric capacity is too low to power anything else than a single device. The adapters have been bashed hard on review. Look at the strings of problem this port has on the current Macbook line.
http://www.apple.com/shop/reviews/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter
Another reason for buying the Pro is the multitude of ports, and the sea of possibilities to connect todays devices to your computer without buying experimental and expensive adapters. Who cares about what may work tomorrow, if you can have your cake and eat it right now.
A SD reader is a must. I miss that more than I would like to admit on the Macbook 12. Since this computer was released over half a year ago, the aftermarket hasn't launched any of their accessories to the masses. As stated earlier, the young nature of USB C is making it irrelevant without an USB C to "normal" USB adapter. Again I really hate the bulkiness of the current Pro, but at the moment it is the only desktop replacement on the market with the ports and the power to make me want to ditch both iMacs or Mac Pro.
The PC laptop market who deliver dGPUs are also very much aware that their market is mostly Windows gamers, so the need to pursue that type og customer is eminent for a brand like Dell. Tried Windows for a while now, but I have to admit, all I do in Windows is to play FIFA, GTA and some random FPS. Very few of those titles are released for Mac or OS X. Most games are not that CPU dependent, but rely on great graphics power. Again, very different from applications for productivity that utilise the CPU. Movie editing is the only Mac work I would consider dependent on GPU.
Right now the MBP 13 comes with the i5-5257U and i5-5287U and I think the skylake-update versions are the new i5-6267U and i5-6287U both with Iris Pro 550 at 28W more GHZ and L3 caché. They are both launched according to intel's page. The i7-6567U it´s still set as "announced" though.
What you say about the 15'' makes a lot of sense, but the new HD Graphics 530 (1152 GFLOPS) would still be an upgrade from the current Iris Pro 5200 (832 GFLOPS). Not a huge one, but enough for a better experience with UI - web browsing - video display. According to intel this new skylakes iGPUs are able to drive up 3 monitors displaying 4k, while old generation Broadwell only one monitor. Note that the MBP 15 processor is Haswell 2 generation old... I don´t know if waiting until March / April is a smart move at this point for Apple.
Exactly this. We're not gonna get an updated Macbook Pro this October because
1) The Iris Pro 580 for Skylake H doesn't come out until Q1 of 2016. That's the integrated graphics that Apple wants in their Macbook Pro 15 inch laptops.
2) They would certainly hold an event for a redesigned macbook pro with USB-C and new unibody. They quietly updated the iMacs without waiting for an event means there's a very slim chance there's gonna be any event soon or even for the rest of the year.
Thus, if they're putting in Skylake chips into the new MBP early next year, they'll probably go all the way with the redesigned unibody with USB-C Thunderbolt 3 connectors. That would be the perfect time for them to do it.
Because this is Apple we're talking about, I'm at the same time excited and scared when it comes to the coming redesign. It will very likely look cooler and be more portable, but they might also cut some really nice features they deem unnecessary. I'm really fearing that the coming 15" (or 16") will have less ports than the current one, and I as a power user really need my ports!
Yeah, not really a compromise with a 4K 15" screen with multiple ports, incl USB 3.1 / C and a nvidia 960m with 2gb ddr5, all in a footprint the size of a 14" laptop. New MacBook I believe will be a clone of this, although I hope I'm wrong.
Also, Don't know why Apple first introduced usb c / 3.1 on MacBook then not implement it on its newer releases like iMac or MacBook Air. Especially when all the competition are including it.
Also, Don't know why Apple first introduced usb c / 3.1 on MacBook then not implement it on its newer releases like iMac or MacBook Air. Especially when all the competition are including it.
First I heard of issues with sub c, but if true makes the decision to abandon normal connectors on the MacBook for 1 usb connector a poor one.
Did they not test it first?
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