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tofagerl

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If the MBP isn't coming until this fall, there is no way that image is showing a chassis from a mass production line. Either it's a sample for a production that has yet to start, and even then it's really early, or it's a prototype. But I don't think we've ever seen an image of a prototype, so that doesn't make sense. They're created inhouse in California and never leave the labs AFAIK.

I'm forced to conclude that mass production can't be far off, or the image is fake. It does not look fake...
 
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Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about. USB-C is new, but there are plenty of cheap adapters on the market that will overcome these temporary limits. I'd rather have a nice future-proof MBP instead of an old fashioned one that gets easily outdated in the next two years.
Exactly. Having FireWire 800 ports on my iMac was frustrating when the industry went with USB 3.0. Don't want to be frustrated 2 years from now when everything is USB-C.

I'm only disappointed in the fact that the new MBP won't have a (new) Magsafe, but it's not like a deal breaker for me.
Maybe the 13" will drop MagSafe—if they also drop 1lb in weight. But the 15" will retain MagSafe because it's too heavy not to. Or I'll eat a hat made of pancakes.
 

Dave245

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If the MBP isn't coming until this fall, there is no way that image is showing a chassis from a mass production line. Either it's a sample for a production that has yet to start, and even then it's really early, or it's a prototype. But I don't think we've ever seen an image of a prototype, so that doesn't make sense. They're created inhouse in California and never leave the labs AFAIK.

I'm forced to conclude that mass production can't be far off, or the image is fake. It does not look fake...

I'm also confused on this because I don't remember there being leaked images for Mac's in the past, iPhones yes but not Mac's. I'm also unsure if they will announce them at WWDC, there are some rumours that say yes while others say no and that this years WWDC will be software only. It would make sense to announce at WWDC if the OLED touch panel is user customisable but yet Ming-Chi-Kuo has said not until Q4 so I don't know.
 

ChinkyBob

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Hit the nail right on the head. Macs are by far more usable and a better experience in my opinion. It's just the price that's holding them back.
Totally agree. Which is why I'm desperately awaiting new model, at this long a wait it should be awesome.
 

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I think Apple will announce hardware. I think they spiked rumors to say there will be no announcement so that when they do, it's a relief/surprise. Here's why:

Here are past WWDC hardware announcements

WWDC 2005 Announcement: Partnering with Intel
WWDC 2006 Announcement: Mac Pro, Time Machine
WWDC 2008 Announcement: iPhone 3G
WWDC 2009 Announcement: 13" MacBook Pro (15" and 17" were refreshed)
WWDC 2010 Announcement: iPhone 4
WWDC 2012 Announcement: MacBook Pro with Retina Display (Air/non-retina-Pro were refreshed)
WWDC 2013 Announcement: new Mac Pro
WWDC 2015 Announcement: None hardware (BUT NOTE APPLE MUSIC)*​

What's the pattern? Apple often uses WWDC to unveil new products or software that reinvigorates the love from the Apple faithful. When people are bearish on Apple Inc., the execs use WWDC to say things like "Can't Innovate anymore my ass!"

So have we been hearing mixed rumors that Apple WON'T release new hardware? Yes! But my suspicious is that this is classic PR warfare. Get expectations low, but deliver high.
 

Dave245

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I think Apple will announce hardware. I think they spiked rumors to say there will be no announcement so that when they do, it's a relief/surprise. Here's why:

Here are past WWDC hardware announcements

WWDC 2005 Announcement: Partnering with Intel
WWDC 2006 Announcement: Mac Pro, Time Machine
WWDC 2008 Announcement: iPhone 3G
WWDC 2009 Announcement: 13" MacBook Pro (15" and 17" were refreshed)
WWDC 2010 Announcement: iPhone 4
WWDC 2012 Announcement: MacBook Pro with Retina Display (Air/non-retina-Pro were refreshed)
WWDC 2013 Announcement: new Mac Pro
WWDC 2015 Announcement: None hardware (BUT NOTE APPLE MUSIC)*​

What's the pattern? Apple often uses WWDC to unveil new products or software that reinvigorates the love from the Apple faithful. When people are bearish on Apple Inc., the execs use WWDC to say things like "Can't Innovate anymore my ass!"

So have we been hearing mixed rumors that Apple WON'T release new hardware? Yes! But my suspicious is that this is classic PR warfare. Get expectations low, but deliver high.

The only problem is it's not Apple saying it, reliable people like Ming-Chi-Kuo and Rene from IMore who are both very reliable have said that there will be no Mac's at WWDC. I thought that there would before but from reading what these reliable people have said I'm not so sure.
 

Loge

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I'm sure there are many people who use the F-keys for their applications shortcuts, etc.
Definitely going to be a daunting learning curve.

That's still going to be possible though, it is just that now they can be context-sensitive.
 

tofagerl

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There is no way Apple would tell these people "no hardware" if it was a lie. I also doubt if they would tell them "no hardware" even if it was true. Sources inside apple might do both, but not Apple PR.
 

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The only problem is it's not Apple saying it, reliable people like Ming-Chi-Kuo and Rene from IMore who are both very reliable have said that there will be no Mac's at WWDC. I thought that there would before but from reading what these reliable people have said I'm not so sure.
I understand. But Ming-Chi-Kuo has been very wrong before (I googled it and some MacRumors members posted about his failed track record). Can't speak to Rene Ritchie but either way, these guys don't know, they are simply playing the game of Telephone.

I'm just throwing my bet out there. The result could go either way. If they don't announce new hardware, then it's most likely because they want a 2nd announcement event in July. And if they don't then I will eat 2 hats made of pancakes.
 

Dave245

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I understand. But Ming-Chi-Kuo has been very wrong before (I googled it and some MacRumors members posted about his failed track record). Can't speak to Rene Ritchie but either way, these guys don't know, they are simply playing the game of Telephone.

I'm just throwing my bet out there. The result could go either way. If they don't announce new hardware, then it's most likely because they want a 2nd announcement event in July. And if they don't then I will eat 2 hats made of pancakes.

Fair enough, i don't think anyone knows for sure except Apple of course. It would make sense for them to reveal at WWDC otherwise they would have to either reveal at the iPhone event or hold another separate one just for Mac's, like they use to a couple of years ago when they announced iPad's and Mac's together.
 

SuprUsrStan

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Personally, I don't mind all USB-C connections. I'd just grab a few of these and I'll be set.

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JUST GIVE ME MY MAGSAFE! Otherwise, this'll be one of my first accessories.

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What are the odds we get a 1.5 or 2 TB SSD option. :(

I don't like splitting my iTunes library across HDDS. My 512GB SSD is full and I anticipate outgrowing 1TB.
 
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When was the last time Apple announced any hardware of significance in July?
Good question. I jumped to that (possible) conclusion b/c Sept is the iPhone 7 event. Also, I hear July is the start of Apple's Fourth Quarter.
 

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With regards to the redesign, there's no excuse for it not coming at WWDC
Except for the current one being fine? It's not a handbag, it's supposed to be a professional computer, not a fashion accessory. If they switch up to a couple of TB3 ports I'm happy.
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A MBP is a 4+ year investment for most people. The current gen ones are still great computers if you need one RIGHT NOW.
I bet that most people here don't really need a new computer, otherwise they would see it the same way. Once I really needed a Mac laptop for paid work and I needed it right now. So I went to the store and got what they happened to have available, without bitching about specs or updates, and you know what, it got the work done! I'm as eager as the next guy here for an update, but this sentiment shouldn't get out of hand.
 

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I bet that most people here don't really need a new computer, otherwise they would see it the same way.
True, but let's be fair to everyone here. We're invested in the direction of Apple because our work, hobbies, and family media rests in the choices Cupertino make. While I don't always agree with everyone here, I defend their right to be passionate. Who am I to lessen how they are affected?
 

Dave245

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Except for the current one being fine? It's not a handbag, it's supposed to be a professional computer, not a fashion accessory. If they switch up to a couple of TB3 ports I'm happy.
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I bet that most people here don't really need a new computer, otherwise they would see it the same way. Once I really needed a Mac laptop for paid work and I needed it right now. So I went to the store and got what they happened to have available, without bitching about specs or updates, and you know what, it got the work done! I'm as eager as the next guy here for an update, but this sentiment shouldn't get out of hand.

This is a good point, I'm just as guilty of it so I might as well point the finger at myself. Most people WANT a new MacbookPro and there is nothing wrong with that! Just like most people don't need a new iPhone but they want one when September comes (again I'm just as guilty of it.) we will have to wait and see what WWDC brings. Personally I don't have a problem with the way the MacBookPro or any of the Mac's look, they are still by far the best looking computers on the market (especially when compared to the black bulky looking Windows machines.) I'm looking forward to seeing what Apple announce.
 

MyopicPaideia

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I'm also confused on this because I don't remember there being leaked images for Mac's in the past, iPhones yes but not Mac's. I'm also unsure if they will announce them at WWDC, there are some rumours that say yes while others say no and that this years WWDC will be software only. It would make sense to announce at WWDC if the OLED touch panel is user customisable but yet Ming-Chi-Kuo has said not until Q4 so I don't know.
The 2015 rMB top lid leaked, as have schematics in the past....have to remember that last real redesign of the MBP line, if you take away the Retina Display addition since it wasn't really a complete redesign...well it dates back EIGHT years! It was 2008...today there is a lot more interest and attention to every little thing Apple does, the extreme scrutiny culture of today's Internet blogger media is almost completely unrecognisable.

In relative terms it was ridiculously simple to keep a product/movie/story secret even as recently as 2008. Today it is virtually impossible.

Just look at iPhone releases. We are getting leaks and rumours 2 years out now. Only a couple of years ago the storm wouldn't start until a month or two before release. Cynics believe that it is Apple itself that starts the guerrilla marketing machine earlier and earlier every year to keep people talking about the company and its a products year round, but it is much closer to reality that it is in our human nature, and companies in Apples position have realised that they can roll with it and use it to their advantage up to a point while still outwardly putting up a top secret front by keeping their mouth shut officially.

It is sites like this that thrive on this stuff! And heck, it is entertaining!

This thread is a prime example, it is now three years old as of Saturday!
 

Basic75

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This is a good point, I'm just as guilty of it so I might as well point the finger at myself. Most people WANT a new MacbookPro and there is nothing wrong with that! Just like most people don't need a new iPhone but they want one when September comes (again I'm just as guilty of it.) we will have to wait and see what WWDC brings.
That's fine, it's when "let's have some fun and speculate on the next MBP, here's my wishlist" becomes exaggerated to "the MBP sucks, don't buy it, Apple is bad/evil/stupid for not having redesigned already" that I feel people need to tone it done just a bit.
 

MyopicPaideia

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Except for the current one being fine? It's not a handbag, it's supposed to be a professional computer, not a fashion accessory. If they switch up to a couple of TB3 ports I'm happy.
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I bet that most people here don't really need a new computer, otherwise they would see it the same way. Once I really needed a Mac laptop for paid work and I needed it right now. So I went to the store and got what they happened to have available, without bitching about specs or updates, and you know what, it got the work done! I'm as eager as the next guy here for an update, but this sentiment shouldn't get out of hand.
Don't disagree with you in principle, but it is a classic rabbit hole argument. Take it to its conclusion and you have to concede that you don't really need a Mac at all, you don't really need a smartphone at all. If Apple disappeared tomorrow, the world would not end. If Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, and all the rest were gone after lunch today, what would the last 2 generations of 1st world humans do with themselves???

In theory, if we stick with Apple laptops, one could get by with any model of Intel Mac out there for the vast majority of even professional uses, using software designed for that generation of machine. Heck, I know a couple of people that still use PB G5's which they maintain are serviceable for their needs even though I consider them museum pieces almost at this point. Got one friend that still uses a 3GS and iPad1 and doesn't even own anything else. He doesn't feel crippled in any way. He's actually just now looking to upgrade because the batteries in those two are starting to be a problem. The iPad only manages 3 hours, and the phone about half a day on its second battery now.

Point is, the very fact that we are on this forum talking about this is because we WANT something and are fortunate enough to have the resources to get it for ourselves. If we start talking about basic needs, then a laptop is probably somewhere longer down the list than most of us, including myself, would be happy or comfortable with. :) So let's not go there with want vs need. I think we are all aware of the difference.

What is relevant is that the MBP line is well overdue for a proper, complete redesign. It has essentially been 8 years on the same basic design, with the Retina Display thrown in halfway through. The new leaked chassis for the 13" model is really exciting for me, personally. If it is like that, it will probably be thinner and lighter than the current MBA's and more powerful than the current MBP's. If even only two of those USB-C port are fully functional TB3 ports as well (I think that is how it will pan out as well, I think only two will be full TB3, at least on the 13") then it will be the most versatile machine Apple has ever released.

I'll be in the market for another machine the Fall as I am hiring, and need another computer for the new employee. If the MBP turns out to be everything it appears it is going to be, I will probably get that for myself and give the rMB to the new person, even though the rMB has been fantastic for me and more than capable in every respect...because I will be illogically drawn to that new piece of awesome hardware.
 

Aegelward

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Am i weird? But i really don't want macbook pros to get much thinner. They are power user machines and the thinner it gets the more it compromises thermal performance.

The Pro machine should be a bit more hefty, it shouldn't try to be a macbook air.
 
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Dave245

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That's fine, it's when "let's have some fun and speculate on the next MBP, here's my wishlist" becomes exaggerated to "the MBP sucks, don't buy it, Apple is bad/evil/stupid for not having redesigned already" that I feel people need to tone it done just a bit.

That is true, and the Apple is doomed/sucks/bad/can't innovate isn't just stick to the Mac, people say it every year with the iPhone and iPad.
 

SuprUsrStan

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Am i weird? But i really don't want macbook pros to get much thinner. They are power user machines and the thinner it gets the more it compromises thermal performance.

The Pro machine should be a bit more hefty, it shouldn't try to be a macbook air.

I'm probably in the minority then because I don't mind if the 15" macbook pro gets thinner and lighter. There's really not that many super portable 15" computers on the market. All of the ultrabooks are 12 or 13 inches. My day one purchase 2012 mbp is on its last leg with over 1,000 charge cycles and years of use. I absolutely love it but I'm ready for something fresh and new. I'd love to see a full OLED display and a radical new look but I'll settle for anything at this point.
 

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Except for the current one being fine? It's not a handbag, it's supposed to be a professional computer, not a fashion accessory. If they switch up to a couple of TB3 ports I'm happy.

You've take that line out of context.

None of the Macbook's need a redesign, they just need their internals updated.

IF Apple is delaying the launch of new Macbooks BECAUSE of a redesign, there's no excuse for a debut later than WWDC. They've had more than enough time to get organized.
 

Basic75

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You've taken that line out of context.

None of the Macbook's need a redesign, they just need their internals updated.
I agree, many others here seem to think differently. And there's not even much missing, a new CPU, a decent GPU for the 15", a couple of TB3 ports. Perhaps they are waiting for Kaby Lake for the TB3.
 
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