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IIRC, When Twilight Princess came out, it was a higher resolution on the Wii than Gamecube. I'm hoping there will be a resolution bump for NX and Nintendo forces me to buy it :D
480p on both Wii and Gamecube. Apart from the mirror worlds, the game was exactly the same on both consoles.
 
Patent Reinforces the Prospect of Nintendo NX Having a Portable Handset

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...pect_of_nintendo_nx_having_a_portable_handset

This and a "base-station" for hookup to ethernet and TV - or maybe even a "chromecast" like dongle you can store in back of the unit to hook up to any TV/Monitor you happened to be by.
That's a patent for dual speaker sound. Anthing more is just a method to deliver the content in the patent. This style of portable handset might or might not be part of the partent. Only the dual speaker sound information is important there as that's what that patent is about.
 
So here's the latest:

The Nintendo NX is one of the most long-teased console releases I can ever remember, especially as an officially acknowledged thing. Speaking on his company’s quarterly earnings conference call yesterday (via IGN), Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot shared some tantalizing impressions about the NX: It’s “really great,” and it should “help the industry continue to grow,” particularly by bringing “more casual players back” into the console gaming fold.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/20/n...casual-players-back-according-to-ubisoft-ceo/

I don't know - this has "Apple TV Gaming" written all over it... :eek:

So the NX is gonna have Angry Birds, Sonic Genesis Games, Crossy Road, and the new "Pokeman Home"?

There goes that console....
 
So here's the latest:



https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/20/n...casual-players-back-according-to-ubisoft-ceo/

I don't know - this has "Apple TV Gaming" written all over it... :eek:

So the NX is gonna have Angry Birds, Sonic Genesis Games, Crossy Road, and the new "Pokeman Home"?

There goes that console....
I always thought the Vita would have been outstanding with the right kind of mobile support. A system that plays top-tier handheld games (be it Nintendo or Sony), as well as being able to run all supported Android games would be a very healthy system. It's sad that Sony gutted Mobile support from the Vita.

The 3DS almost tries this but, IMO, what makes mobile games as a platform successful is;

-Easily, automatically updated titles.
-Cheap and quick to buy from the download shop.
-Cross platform support (iPhone-Watch-iPad-Apple TV, in Apples case).
-Fast to launch, able to store multiple games in memory for fast switching.

If Nintendo can get those tied into it's already strong store then that would just be dandy.
 
The 'casual' aspect of Ubisoft's CEO quote is very alarming to me. I don't want mobile games, I can get them on iPad, iOS, android. Likewise given the only Ubisoft game announced / confirmed in development is Just Dance 2017 - it doesn't fill me with anticipation.

I really want Nintendo to come back with a killer console, powerful and for 'gamers' ....

Wii software sales proved that casual gamers simply don't buy many games - their attach rate is pretty insignificant, leading to developer apathy. Just because you can sell consoles, without 'games' that console is nothing but an ornament.

I'm worried despite all the hopes that Nintendo has learned from the mistakes of the past, and given the sudden flash in the pan success of pokemon go, we are going to get some mediocre gaming device hybrid, that will not be able to provide a strong enough level of performance for developers to actually produce the multi-platform goods, especially going into a mid cycle upgrade of the PS4 & Xbox One models.
 
Wii software sales proved that casual gamers simply don't buy many games - their attach rate is pretty insignificant, leading to developer apathy. Just because you can sell consoles, without 'games' that console is nothing but an ornament.

Do you have any source with figures for these conclusions? I remember reading an article some years back that showed attach rate figures for all current consoles and the Wii was surprisingly high, something like 9 to 1. Seemed unlikely to me but who am I, who have absolutely zero insight in the industry, to call them liars?

EDIT: Actually managed to find the article I was referring to: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/29/these-are-nintendos-lifetime-hardware-and-software-numbers
 
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Do you have any source with figures for these conclusions? I remember reading an article some years back that showed attach rate figures for all current consoles and the Wii was surprisingly high, something like 9 to 1. Seemed unlikely to me but who am I, who have absolutely zero insight in the industry, to call them liars?

EDIT: Actually managed to find the article I was referring to: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/29/these-are-nintendos-lifetime-hardware-and-software-numbers

Nintendo consoles are high manly as people buy them to play Nintendo IP games.

I mainly have the Nintendo games for my Nintendo consoles. I buy the multiple console games mainly on XBox.

Are they going forward with this strategy? Seems like it...

Like my AppleTV, a few of games I really love are available only on that "console" (as well as iPad and iPhone), but most of the games are "casual" originally for the iPhone.

Yes, you'll be playing Mario and Zelda on the NX, as well as PacMan, Geometry Wars, Angry Birds, etc.

Games like Madden, Tomb Raider, Call of Duty, and Titanfall, you'll have to get an XBox or Playstation...
 
Oh no ... It is a handheld powered by the Nvidia Tegra X - essentially the same power as the Nvidia Shield & Nvidia Shield TV.

That means it's likely just a little more powerful than the Wii U (a bit more powerful than 360/PS3) but still not PS4/XB1 level, let alone Scorpio / PS4 Neo.

I wonder if this will pose a real genuine issue with third party developers and multiplayer platform ports going forward.

I can see it replacing the 3DS, but not really challenging the PS4 or XB1 at all.

Another concern, With mobile phones getting ever increasingly powerful how long before they are already outperforming the NX ?

 
Oh no ... It is a handheld powered by the Nvidia Tegra X - essentially the same power as the Nvidia Shield & Nvidia Shield TV.

That means it's likely just a little more powerful than the Wii U (a bit more powerful than 360/PS3) but still not PS4/XB1 level, let alone Scorpio / PS4 Neo.

I wonder if this will pose a real genuine issue with third party developers and multiplayer platform ports going forward.

I can see it replacing the 3DS, but not really challenging the PS4 or XB1 at all.

Another concern, With mobile phones getting ever increasingly powerful how long before they are already outperforming the NX ?


Sounds like a rebranded nVidia Shield Tablet.

Make sense though - I don't think those really sold well, but the Shield TV is popular. The infrastructure for nVidia Shield is already in place, plus the tablet and console come in at $199. Just put it in a "Nintendo" form factor with some sort of New 3DS buttons and you have an NX! :eek:

Plus, the unit will be a able to download and play nVidia Shield games...

Would all make sense - use off-the-shelf system from nVidia...
 
Sounds like a rebranded nVidia Shield Tablet.

Make sense though - I don't think those really sold well, but the Shield TV is popular. The infrastructure for nVidia Shield is already in place, plus the tablet and console come in at $199. Just put it in a "Nintendo" form factor with some sort of New 3DS buttons and you have an NX! :eek:

Plus, the unit will be a able to download and play nVidia Shield games...

Would all make sense - use off-the-shelf system from nVidia...

I'm hoping that they do use the Tegra X2 given it won't be releasing till 2017 and that might give it the performance boost to bring it above the Wii U (at least hopefully) ...

If it turns out to simply be the existing Tegra X repackaged and given the performance I have seen on digital foundry with games performing worse than the 360 and missing graphical features, then I'll be very disappointed and stay a mile away from the NX.




Indeed if it turns out the NX isn't as powerful as the Wii U, and we won't see games like Zelda with any enhancements - I can not see how it will drive sales for the new device at all.
 
Games like Madden, Tomb Raider, Call of Duty, and Titanfall, you'll have to get an XBox or Playstation...
You'd be wrong there. The WiiU launch had lots of 3rd party support. Nintendo botched that up so many developers simply did not cme back. The NX however seems to have also lots of 3rd party support as well. Many of the developers have been quoted saying they like what the NX is.

Also the NVIDIA rumour is exactly contrary to the previous AMD rumour. So we'll hve to wait to see which side is forrect.
 
You'd be wrong there. The WiiU launch had lots of 3rd party support. Nintendo botched that up so many developers simply did not cme back. The NX however seems to have also lots of 3rd party support as well. Many of the developers have been quoted saying they like what the NX is.

Also the NVIDIA rumour is exactly contrary to the previous AMD rumour. So we'll hve to wait to see which side is forrect.

Not really. The Ubisoft CEO said "Casual Gamers".

The games I mentioned are far from "Casual".

The NX will get 3rd party support. But you will only see games like EA Sports, Sonic, Platformers, etc.

I think Tomb Raider will be the furthest the NX will see.

Hardcore games like Titanfall, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc., forget it - they've moved on to platforms such as Playstation Neo and XBox Scorpio by the time the NX releases...
 
Not really. The Ubisoft CEO said "Casual Gamers".

The games I mentioned are far from "Casual".

The NX will get 3rd party support. But you will only see games like EA Sports, Sonic, Platformers, etc.

I think Tomb Raider will be the furthest the NX will see.

Hardcore games like Titanfall, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc., forget it - they've moved on to platforms such as Playstation Neo and XBox Scorpio by the time the NX releases...
Let me refresh your memory.

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Harcore (as you call them) games did releasse on the WiiU. Many of them did.

Also the NX will get, many 3rd party games. Final Fantasy is heavily rumoured to be coming to the NX.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._xv_headed_to_nx_could_be_definitive_versions

Your opinion that certain games will not come to the NX is directly opposite to what the rumour mill is saying about the NX and it's games.
 
Let me refresh your memory.

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Harcore (as you call them) games did releasse on the WiiU. Many of them did.

Also the NX will get, many 3rd party games. Final Fantasy is heavily rumoured to be coming to the NX.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._xv_headed_to_nx_could_be_definitive_versions

Your opinion that certain games will not come to the NX is directly opposite to what the rumour mill is saying about the NX and it's games.

I'm talking about the NX, which is what the Ubisoft CEO referred to. The games you are talking about are for the Wii U. You may see a "Call of Duty" game, but, in my opinion, definitely not something like what the XBox One/Scorpio and Playstation 4/4NEO will be getting...

My interpretation of what the Ubisoft CEO said.
 
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I'm talking about the NX, which is what the Ubisoft CEO referred to. The games you are talking about are for the Wii U. You may see a "Call of Duty" game, but, in my opinion, definitely not something like what the XBox One/Scorpio and Playstation 4/4NEO will be getting...

My interpretation of what the Ubisoft CEO said.

Exactly. The only Ubisoft game confirmed for the NX is Just Dance 2017.

I think we can understand now why this is and why conversions of other big Ubisoft games are not announced or even rumoured. Likewise the lack of other developers announcing what they have in development.
 
I'm talking about the NX, which is what the Ubisoft CEO referred to. The games you are talking about are for the Wii U. You may see a "Call of Duty" game, but, in my opinion, definitely not something like what the XBox One/Scorpio and Playstation 4/4NEO will be getting...

My interpretation of what the Ubisoft CEO said.
That is one developer. Squaresoft are rumoured to be bringing Final Fantasy to the NX. Maybe Ubisoft is going casual on the NX, but other developers certainly are not.

Also the PS4K and XB1S can't be played on the go while the NX is rumoured to be able to. Want to play Breath of the Wild (or any other NX game) on the train or wherever. Supposedly you can. The NX is not meant to be the next 4K console. It's meant to blur the lines between portable and mobile gaming to the point where they are lmsot non existant and the one console dones everything. Maybe only at 1080p and not 4K. But that seems to be Nintendo's goal here.

Moost fo the discussion I have heard makes me feel the iPad pro, not the Xbox1S and PS4K are the motivating factors and the direct competition here.

"Imagine playing Pokemon games on your TV. Imagine playing Breath of the Wild on the go. Guess what you can all on the same console". It's totally revolutionary. Nintendo know mobile gaming is where their profits are and I beleive this is exactly where they are going with this. A Nintendo 4K would (im mt opinion) have tanked the company. Sony and MS would do it better and the Nintendo fans on the whole don't care for 4K. They just want their mobile fun (which they get now on the 3DS). Make a not so pricey console that can play TV consoles on the TV as well as on the go, that's exactly what will make the Nintendo fans go gaga. This potentially makes the entire Nintendo library playable anywhere, on the TV or outside on it's own screen.

A brilliant move by Nintendo. It's keeping their core gamers close (3DS gamers) and not ignoring the core WiiU fans either by allowing TV support too. If the NX does BotW quality games very well on the go, and Nintendo market the crap out of this in a great way, then they have a serious winner there. Sure the PS4K and XB1S can both do 4K. But can they do 4K on the go? That's where Nintendo is targeting in the space Sony and MS are not. Making their own segment of the market totally their own.
 
I may be alone on this but I don't support the whole "both console and handheld into one" theory. First off, how is that convenient. I'll just have it always plugged into my TV or I will always be lazy and play it in my room.

Second, it prevents differences between games that work best as portable and games that work best as home console. If I'm going to play Pokemon then it's definitely going to be on a portable console because it's a game that can be used socially, to trade Pokemon for example and stuff. If I'm going to play Zelda Breath of the Wild how stupid would it be if I were to play it on the go. I'm supposed to admire the beautiful terrain and explore everything. That argument does break the whole theory that the NX might be a portable console in the end. But you get the point, some games don't fit as portable, and some don't fit as console.

Third, trying to make something that will work for both will just end up in a mess. Which is why there is a segregation between mobile and computer devices. Pretty much everything 12" and under is made for mobile software and games, while everything 12" and above is made with a computer display in mind (obviously, there are exceptions to this rule like the MBA 11" and the iPad Pro 12.9"). If Rovio made that Angry Birds was designed for a 480x320 iPhone screen, what do you think it would turn out on a giant 1920x1080 television? The HUD is going to be huge, all the buttons are going to be GIANT, ugh, a mess. Then let's take a look at something different, what if we were to have Splatoon work on the 3DS? It may seem simple, but I'll just point out that since I do not have an HDTV, I play it on my 480i CRT, which shouldn't be THAT much of an effect. However, the text is washed out and hard to read, a lot of detail is hard to notice, and everything just looks kinda awful. Okay, playable, but awful. If we were to directly pull the game onto the pathetic 400x240 display of the 3DS, it'll look downright disgusting. And even IF we had a 1080p display on our new 4DS or HDS or NX or whatever, then everything will look tiny. If this is the future of gaming in your opinion, then good for you. Which brings to the point that if everyone would have to make the game twice, it's going to be awful and expensive. A stupid idea. A VERY pointless idea.

Fourth, I don't think you realise how little can a cheap portable device handle in terms of power. The successor to the Wii U will probably be as powerful as the PS4 and Xbox One, probably a bit less. That's for a device with a theoretical price of $300 and that sits on a desk. The 3DS is roughly the same power as the GameCube, and cannot emulate this nor the N64. With this in mind, its successor would probably be as powerful as the Wii, which itself is PS2-level power. So can you place a what today needs a console the size of a Mac Mini, inside a device that is not more than a centimetre thick, while keeping the low cost of $300, LET ALONE keeping the general cost of $200 for a Nintendo-branded handheld? NO. You can't. This is not an iPhone. Keep dreaming.

Fifth, and this one is the most important. It's the STUPIDEST business decision Nintendo could make. Why would they combine two systems into one, therefore allowing people to only pay for one console? The DS family sold 150M and the Wii sold 100M for example, if they combined them both, do you really think they would have sold 250M? I feel like it would sold more like 30M. 10M if it costed like an iPhone. This crap is alienating to customers and is stupid as well, the only reason I bought a Wii U was because of its games. If everything I could play on the Wii U only would be available on the 3DS, I'd have no reason to buy one.

I see only one future, it's we get an HDS or something similar in 2017, then we see the successor to the Wii U in the following years. Think logically, not one-sided.
 
I may be alone on this but I don't support the whole "both console and handheld into one" theory. First off, how is that convenient. I'll just have it always plugged into my TV or I will always be lazy and play it in my room.
That's how I play with my WiiU now. But a lot of people will not. They will enjoy the plug and play (without a TV) aspect that the NX will have.

Second, it prevents differences between games that work best as portable and games that work best as home console. If I'm going to play Pokemon then it's definitely going to be on a portable console because it's a game that can be used socially, to trade Pokemon for example and stuff. If I'm going to play Zelda Breath of the Wild how stupid would it be if I were to play it on the go. I'm supposed to admire the beautiful terrain and explore everything. That argument does break the whole theory that the NX might be a portable console in the end. But you get the point, some games don't fit as portable, and some don't fit as console.
I can disagree with you here. Xenoblade Chronicles, the Wii game. I bought it digitally and have played it two different ways on the WiiU. Via the TV screen and via the gamepad screen. Both are an amazing way to play the game and both work so well. Saying BotW will not work on a WiiU gamepad sized screen is just not true. Having the option there for portable screen or TV screen is great, then people can choose the way they want to play it.

Third, trying to make something that will work for both will just end up in a mess.
Actually for Nintendo the reverse is actually true. Segrating things caused Nintendo a lot of grief.
Hyrule Warriors vs Hyrule Warriors Legends. There the 3DS version though graphically inferior, feature wise is the superior game. This has agnered the WiiU fans of the game.
Super Smash Bros 4. The SSB fans are annoyed that the game (originally for the 3DS only) was featured removed for the WiiU just so the 3DS and WiiU versions could be similar and have the same character roster.

But what if you had a console that was powerful to make a slightly better than WiiU level of detail game and have it portable as well. Then you could make Nintendo games and not worry about removing features because you need to make two different versions of the game. There would be a single version of the game only. One definitive version.

Fourth, I don't think you realise how little can a cheap portable device handle in terms of power. The successor to the Wii U will probably be as powerful as the PS4 and Xbox One, probably a bit less. That's for a device with a theoretical price of $300 and that sits on a desk. The 3DS is roughly the same power as the GameCube, and cannot emulate this nor the N64. With this in mind, its successor would probably be as powerful as the Wii, which itself is PS2-level power. So can you place a what today needs a console the size of a Mac Mini, inside a device that is not more than a centimetre thick, while keeping the low cost of $300, LET ALONE keeping the general cost of $200 for a Nintendo-branded handheld? NO. You can't. This is not an iPhone. Keep dreaming.
The NVIDIA graphics chip the NX is rumoured to have looks amazing. NVIDIA Tegra. Another rumour is Nintendo is waiting for version 2 of this to hit mass production for the NX. This can easily handle BotW on the go. The only catch is the cost of the console. Nintendo has said they will not launch the NX at a loss.

Fifth, and this one is the most important. It's the STUPIDEST business decision Nintendo could make. Why would they combine two systems into one, therefore allowing people to only pay for one console? The DS family sold 150M and the Wii sold 100M for example, if they combined them both, do you really think they would have sold 250M? I feel like it would sold more like 30M. 10M if it costed like an iPhone. This crap is alienating to customers and is stupid as well, the only reason I bought a Wii U was because of its games. If everything I could play on the Wii U only would be available on the 3DS, I'd have no reason to buy one.
It's a great business decision. You can have a modern 3D game on the NX without having to make a TV and console version for it. One version you can play at home and on the go. Development costs saved there. Also games otherwise only for the TV would be open for the portable market too. Main series 3D Zelda games (not remakes) is one huge example. All these games are now open for the portable gaming fams to buy as they can be played on the go.

On the other side games like Pokemon and Ace Attourney and Brave Default series (and many others) will be available for the home TV console fans as well at zero extra development cost.

Also the WiiU did not sell 100m. That's the reality. Expecting another TV only Nintendo console to sell 100m is just a pipe dream at this point.
the only reason I bought a Wii U was because of its games. If everything I could play on the Wii U only would be available on the 3DS, I'd have no reason to buy one.
This is exactly what the NX is trying to solve. 3DS fans are not buying the WiiU for the WiiU games. Nintendo wants these bigger budget games to sell well too. Opening them up tot he porable gamer market is a great way to do this.

I see only one future, it's we get an HDS or something similar in 2017, then we see the successor to the Wii U in the following years. Think logically, not one-sided.
Seeing only one future is only one-sided. What I am saying is one possibility. The other option is this is just a precursor to the next Nintendo TV console comnig sometime later.

I think this will be like the Nintendo DS. An experiement to see if this sells well. The DS sold well enough to ditch the gameboy like and make the DS like the only portable line. The NX is a similar experiement. If the NX sells well, hybrid TV/portable consoles could be the only thing from Nintendo. If it does not sell well, then Nintendo could return to the different consoles for hardware and software.
 
Biggest issue I see is this. If the NX represents a minor improvement graphically to the Wii U, and if you only game in the house, why would you bother 'upgrading' to the NX unless it is by forced obsolescence.

If the NX handheld and it's games are more expensive and not backwards compatible with 3DS why would anyone upgrade their 3DS to the NX - especially as it's highly likely those 3DS owners who are Nintendo fans are the same ones who did buy a Wii U.

There are reports coming out since the Tegra reveal that the Dev kit handheld has a fan. If that makes it into the final design, that will not be good.

Nintendo will need to release the NX very cheap, and have more 'full' games available on release to warrant its place in my home at this stage.

The development / release schedule of games has to improve, because if we are not going to see multi-platform ports of new titles, and reliance will be heavily on first party IP's, then Nintendo need to get their **** together and fund more first party development studios.

Waiting 1/2 a year or more for a sole AAA game to release will likewise not convince hardcore gamers who patience has been burned on the Wii and Wii U.

How long have we waited for F-Zero ? Pilot wings ? And many many more on the Wii and Wii U ?

I'm a gamer, and one that has been doing so for over 3 decades. I still spend more € on gaming hardware and software than I would like to admit too and it's one of my chief recreational pursuits. I have bought EVERY NIntendo hardware including the most obscure and at times expensive - yet In a landscape of PS4/XB1 and very powerful Tablet/Mobile hardware - Nintendo just throwning out a device based on 12-14 month hardware and embracing the casual - doesn't excite me even remotely.

If I want a powerful mobile - I have my HTC 10 / S7 / iPhone 6S / iPad Pro 12.9 etc ...

If Nintendo are going full steam at the Pokemon Go audience, then I see no reason for them to be in the hardware business at all.
 
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